I keep reading people complaining about how people are taking these quotes out of context.
So went to the source, and I see them in context.They are actually worse in context.
My dad was team horse de-wormer back in covid. Don’t talk to him much.
Mom now says the he was a christian and he did everything right.
Guess sometimes parents can suck too
Is water a horse thirst quencher?
I had someone try to tell me I was stooping to his level with my dark humor memes.
I told them, I can’t do that because I’m not 6ft under.
Here’s the frustration and why this should not be celebrated:
Charlie Kirk spent years dehumanizing people, making lives measurably worse, and profiting from hatred. The cosmic irony of him being shot while calling trans people dangerous and minimizing gun violence feels like the universe delivering a punchline he wrote himself. There’s a cathartic release in seeing someone who seemed untouchable suddenly silenced by the very violence he dismissed.
But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive. Every celebration post, every “rest in piss” meme, every “fucked around and found out” joke is already being screenshot and weaponized. The worst people imaginable, those eager to exploit violence, are being handed exactly what they want: supposed proof that “they were right,” justification for crackdowns, and, most dangerously, a martyr whose blood sanctifies every awful thing he stood for.
Celebration may feel like a dunk on fascism, but in reality it accelerates it. It may feel like strength, but it exposes a movement so strategically bankrupt that it mistakes emotional satisfaction for political victory. Kirk alive was one influencer among many; Kirk dead is a rallying cry that will outlive us all.
The rage at what he represented is justified. But celebrating his death guarantees those very ideas will flourish. American democracy is dying, and a gravedigger falling into the hole is no victory when it only deepens the grave.
His ideas needed to be defeated. Instead, they’ve been immortalized.
I am happy to read at least one sane voice amongst the sea of people who don’t understand that we are doing exactly what they are accusing us of doing by celebrating his death. I honestly am taken aback by the amount of people who think this is good.
Yeah, worried about this and the punishment doesn’t fit the crime, and too much room for his death to be weaponized, like you say.
Would have much rather him taken a few to the vest from a handgun from a pissed off obviously MAGA person. Give him some pain and a good scare to have him realize personally just how risky the hornet’s nest is that he is stirring. Something that might be a close enough call for others to see without becoming a rallying cry and a clear link to the violence of the rhetoric without a chance to blame ‘the other’.
Only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
He wasn’t just a racist he was a fucking Nazi.
I get the impulse, truly. He spread hate and did real harm, and the anger at that is justified. But celebrating his death doesn’t hurt his cause, it builds it. The right has shown us the playbook: when left-wing leaders are killed, they shrug it off, Trump even said it ‘doesn’t matter.’ Yet with Kirk, before there’s even a suspect, they’re already framing it as the start of the left’s downfall. When we celebrate, we feed that narrative. We give the Nazis exactly what they want. The real strength is being better than them, and making sure their ideas lose.
Omg thanks for this. Far too many people are jumping on the ‘celebrate his death because he was an awful person’ bandwagon. No, the best thing the left can do at the moment is just to have as little reaction as possible. The right was already attacking us and every ‘lmao kirk died, rest in piss bozo’ comment and post just gives them more ammunition. It’s not fair, but at the moment they have the power and we do not. We need to demonstrate to the masses that we are the better people, because that’s how we’re going to get mass support and that’s how we’re going to get the right-wing fascists in power voted out.
But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive.
My friend, you’ve got the right stuff. You have a very smooth and relatable style of communication and I really do value when those like you say something that I espouse and would otherwise butcher.
I won’t tell people not to celebrate because I know how disliked that sort of sentiment is on a thread like this. But you’re absolutely right and it sucks. They know that they just hit the “not crying wolf” lottery and will never stop banging that drum.
I’m frightened for whom the bell tolls.
I appreciate your level-headedness, and I definitely get where you’re coming from, but I need to point out the big gaping blindspot in your argument: the crackdowns and the facism are already here, and they’ve pretty much demonstrated they don’t particularly care for or wait for justification.
Do you see why arguing “you’re giving them ammo and justification” rings very hollow at this particular point in time?
Yup. I totally understand why it rings hollow and why “feels good” that a Nazi died.
Authoritarianism isn’t waiting for permission. Absolutely.
But there’s a difference between “they don’t need justification” and “justification doesn’t matter.” Yes, Trump was always going to crack down on dissent. But Kirk’s assassination transforms that from “Trump’s authoritarian overreach” into “necessary response to political violence.” It shifts the narrative from aggression to self-defense. Did Goebbels need Wessel after his death in 1930? No, but it sure as shit worked to mobilize the base.
My point is that we, the true patriots upholding actual freedom, lose here. We all lose here and its frustrating that so many people are caught up in the cosmic justice that they can’t see that this is EXACTLY what they want.
The “feels good that a Nazi died” impulse is human. But politics isn’t about feelings, it’s about power. And right now, people celebrating are ensuring that the worst people in America are about to get a lot more of it, wrapped in the flag and carrying Kirk’s picture.
Cool story bro.
Your “cool story bro” response is exactly the kind of thinking that creates space for demagogues to thrive. When someone offers strategic analysis about why celebrating political violence backfires, and you respond with a thought-terminating cliché, you’re demonstrating the same anti-intellectual reflex that makes populations vulnerable to manipulation.
Think about what made Charlie Kirk successful: he offered simple, emotionally satisfying answers to complex problems. “Your problems aren’t from complicated economic systems, it’s those people over there.” His audience loved him because he never asked them to think harder than a bumper sticker.
And here you are, faced with someone explaining why emotional satisfaction isn’t political victory, why martyrdom empowers the very ideas we need to defeat… and your response is a meme. You’re operating at exactly the level of discourse that Kirk counted on: where snark replaces strategy, where being dismissive feels like being strong, where “cool story bro” seems like a clever response to warnings about tactical disaster.
The movements that win understand complexity. The movements that lose mistake attitude for analysis. When you brush off strategic thinking with internet catchphrases, you’re not fighting against the Charlie Kirks of the world. You’re proving that their reduction of politics to tribal reflexes and emotional reactions was right all along.
The system that produces Charlie Kirks depends on people refusing to think beyond the satisfaction of the dunk, the own, the sick burn. Your dismissal isn’t rebellion; it’s compliance with the exact intellectual laziness that powerful interests count on to keep populations manageable and movements ineffective.
I said good story, because it reads a lot like you trying to convince yourself. I’m also very tired of hearing essentially “protest the right way” whenever anyone actually does something to improve the country.
Youll probably type out 8 more paragraphs of nonsense amounting to you being too afraid to admit when a bad thing results in good things.
Instead of telling me how I feel, name a single “good thing” that has resulted.
Kirk’s organization is stronger, his ideas are martyred, his followers are more radicalized. You tell me I am afraid, but I am observing reality; historical and present.
Show me the improvement, because all I see is fascists getting exactly what they want.
You are the one who made a point, so you maybe should defend that instead? If this action has caused nothing but harm, prove it.
Show me the improvement, because all I see is fascists getting exactly what they want.
They were getting that anyway.
Thank you for that. Even though he died, he has won. Look at the amount of hatred he has nourished. Furthermore, I don’t believe his death will bring any justice to the people he impacted with his hatred. While I see people celebrating, I’m terrified.
Terrified this is how things are at the moment. If you can celebrate the death of Charlie, it means you have it in you to celebrate anyone’s else given a motive. And I think that is The first step of the dehumanisation process he so fondly used.
You’ve identified something crucial that others miss: we don’t defeat dehumanization by becoming better at it. The moment we celebrate death, we’ve accepted their fundamental premise that political disagreement justifies violence.
Your terror is appropriate and I feel it with you. Not just at the violence itself, but at watching people you agree with politically abandon the very principles that distinguish us from what we oppose. The hardest battle isn’t against fascism; it’s maintaining our humanity while fighting inhumanity.
I take a little solace from the fact that win or not, he will not be here to see it through
Of all the people I was worried about materially contributing to the mess, Charlie Kirk was pretty low on the list.
He said vile stuff, but he was not himself a wielder of power. His rhetoric and words had power, he did not. His death in this manner has given strength to that rhetoric and those words without removing any of his meaningful influence to the system.
Better that these folks suffer the fear of what they court, to have their own MAGA fanatics turn against them with violence that scares them, but leaves them largely intact to have them retreat from their position without becoming martyrs.
Now if some folks actively wielding the power in harmful ways meet some ends, I might have a little less mixed feelings about it.
I will confess to perhaps not celebrating, but appreciating the connection between his sociopathic stance on gun deaths and he himself joining a group he himself said we shouldn’t be so concerned about.
I understand finding comfort where you can, but consider: Kirk not being here to “see it through” assumes his death diminishes his impact. The opposite is true. Alive, he was one voice that could be countered, fact-checked, and eventually forgotten. Dead, he becomes eternal; forever young, forever wronged, forever useful to those who will absolutely be here to see it through. The solace is hollow when his absence strengthens everything he stood for.
Fight fire with fire. Apparently it’s the only thing conservatives will pay attention to
So many of them are convinced all gun violence is coming from the left, and at this point I’m ready to just let them have their delusions. What are they going to do about it? Implement gun control? Please do
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Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.
No really, if he was a nicer guy this probably wouldn’t have happened.
I’m not convinced it did happen. His last words were literally making light of gun violence. If I read this in a book, I’d say it was too on-the-nose
We have no clue how long the shooter was zeroed in. It’s entirely possible they chose the funniest moments to pull the trigger.
Shooter was standing there for an hour going
“well I gotta do it now then”
This timeline’s scriptwriter has been phoning it in for years.
Seemed like it was more in the neck to me
“I’ve never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure” - Clarence Darrow
His last words
He was asked how many shooters were trans in the last 10 years and replied “Too many”
He was corrected, the number is 5.
He was then asked how many shootings happened in these years (there were 5700)
He asked back: “Counting or not counting gang violence?” and got shot
His last word was “violence”.
This is the best use of this meme I’ve ever seen, bar none.
Make Fascists Afraid Again.
A sniper with an innate sense of comedic timing?
I’m guessing shooting at any other point would produce similar results.
Yeah, nearly every sentence he uttered could have ended with a bang. 💥
He was like a fascist Wile E Coyote.
If violence isn’t working, you’re not using enough violence.
shot; dies
Narrator:
the violence worked.
I always said “You can tell when Charlie Kirk is arguing in bad faith by when his lips are moving and sounds are coming out.”
And it was literally the last thing he ever did.
He died doing what he loved
Hating.
“Gang violence” = racist dog whistle. The assassin couldn’t have picked a more perfect time to fire. 😂
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Okay, second-best time. 😂
I mean, most gang activity comes from young black men, but that does not mean it’s racist to talk about it. I think talking about whether to include or exclude “gang violence” from a conversation about mass shootings is appropriate and not offensive in the slightest.
a dog whistle has nothing to do with the facts but a shared agreement between people in the know as to its hidden meaning.
I understand that. I’m saying that there is no hidden meaning. Gang violence is understood on its face by everyone.
unless you use it as a overgeneral brush, and fill it with only minorities, and use it as a short hand for black people like it’s used in this context. are you a native english speaker?
dog whistles specifically use words with a cover meaning and the group agrees to internally change its meaning.
He didn’t use “gang violence” as short hand for “black violence.” That wouldn’t make sense in the context of mass shootings. He said “Counting or not counting gang violence?” more as a shorthand for “Are we counting criminals killing each other?” Whether it’s hispanic, white, or black gangs isn’t very relevant.
Gangs contribute to the majority of designated “mass shootings,” and are often excluded from conversations that want to focus on innocent victims of mass shooting as opposed to cases of criminals killing each other. After all, if all mass shootings were just gangsters shooting each other, people wouldn’t care nearly as much as they do now. They care about the mass shootings that don’t involve gangs.
EDIT: Seems like many sources explicitly exclude gang violence in their stats. So my statement may be incorrect that gangs contribute to “designated” mass shootings as they are not designation such by many sources.
That’s why you just had to go out of your way to point out that gang activity comes from people of color. Not to mention lecturing to people of color about what YOU don’t find offensive. 😂 Thank you for your contribution, goodbye. 🙂
“That’s racist.”
“It may involve a race, but it’s not racist.”
“That’s why you said it involved that race!”
Bizarre logic.
Offensive was the wrong word. I meant that it’s not racist. It’s unhealthy that one would be offended by acknowledging the existence of gang violence.
I would actually like to know what he was leading to with that question. Is the implication that gangs have an overrepresentation of trans people? Or that gang violence doesn’t count for some reason?
I guess we’ll never know.
It’s a common talking point among the right that there aren’t really that many mass shootings in America if you exclude gang violence. Y’know, which is done by and only effects those people
Given who he was, probably the latter as a to-him socially acceptable racist dog whistle.
acceptable
I bdt he was pretty piseed he had to dog-whistle it.
Using one minority as a scapegoat for gun violence wasn’t working, so he was switching to a different minority.
As others mentioned, “gang violence” is generally a euphemism for non white, especially poor, people. I used to listen to Knowledge Fight(stopped after election not because of the boys, but didn’t want to hear Jones gloat) and during several shootings that involved black victims Jones dismissed it as gang violence.
One case I recall was a shooting in a school in GA that he was spinning some other way, until he found out the school was primarily black and the victim (who survived iirc) was black. He then just stated the kid was in a gang with no proof and dismissed the story.
It’s a deflection technique. The intention was to not answer or address the question at all, but to shift to another topic he could more easily use to manipulate his audience. If you’ve ever watched him “debate” he was a master of deflection.
he was a master of deflection.
With words, maybe. With lead, evidently not.
Now that you mention it, this seems most likely.
Just some good old racism
It was more anti-trans hate mongering. 2 or 3 trans shooters out of 5700 is nothing. If you can whittle down the number of “mass shootings” to just a handful of incidents, can make it seem like trans people are vastly over-represented among school shooters.
The number of trans shooters versus non-trans shooters probably has trans shooters falling comfortably into a margin of error. I can’t do the math, though, I’m no numbersmith.
Sure. Even if the raw numbers said that say, trans people are 1% of the population, and 1.5% of shooters, that would still be a meaningless figure. The sample size is too low to make any meaningful conclusion.
But the point is even if you don’t apply statistics, even using the sample we have, trans people are vastly under-represented among shooters. We represent about 1% of the population and 0.1% of shooters. You don’t even need to apply statistics. The numbers on their face show that there is zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
Now, statistically, I would say that there is insufficient evidence to suggest that the rate of trans shooters is any different from the overall population, higher or lower. But there is less than zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
The trans shooter myth is simply blood libel.
He was obviously arguing that skin colour minorities were doing any shooting that trans Americans weren’t. Because his goal in life was to make people feel like they belonged - by vilifying out groups. And then monetizing that shit.
our gangs of forcefemme communists are very trans and very violent, yes
He was engaging in hate-mongering right until the end. Just like the Nazi propagandists of the WW2 era, he was spreading a message of a demonized minority group being responsible for countless crimes and social ills. He ran literally the exact same playbook against trans people as the Nazis did against Jews.
I have no more sympathy for him than the Nazi propagandists we hanged at Nuremberg. They’re guilty of the exact same crimes against humanity.
Reality displayed an immaculate sense of poetic justice today.
Seriously? We’re living in a movie.
It gets dumber…there was a school shooting today, 3 kids dead, 1 state over from this.
Does anyone have video of this? (This conversation, not the shooty part) All the news media are quoting this while referring to a video but not showing it.
They’re /very/ intertwined. I don’t recommend looking for it unless you want trauma
Yeah, like less than a second after he says violence is a sudden and absurd amount of gore
A full on tarintino, some would say
I watched the close up video and didn’t find it traumatic especially given all what has been happening in gaza and Ukraine, not to mention the children being shot in schools
You’re desensitized to violence. Not something to be proud of or encourage 😟
Do you say the same to those somehow still supporting Israel’s genocide in Gaza when there is vastly more grotesque footage? Or for the slaughtering and rapping in Ukraine with now years of footage? Or those enabling the children being blasted away in schools across the us on a daily basis, including yesterday? 🧐
Yes, as the decensitivation is a necessary element for the continuation of the violence
I had the same experience. It’s regrettable how desensitized to violence I am these days.
I saw it unintentionally and it was horrifying. It’s always horrifying to see such a thing, no matter who it is.
Meh, /b/ broke me a long time ago
Almost like the one asking the questions was in on it. I hope they never find them.
LOL. Meanwhile Glen Beck is crying his eyes out on TV.
I thought there were no good Nazis, but he just proved me wrong.
I don’t give a shit about Charlie Kirk, rest in piss, but my celebration is mildly stunted by the fact that this is a dangerous thing to normalize and this is a massive notch in that direction given how huge of a public figure he was and the nature of his assassination being so public.
Of course, the right is largely responsible for that normalization, and Charlie Kirk’s death is actually on people like Charlie Kirk’s very hands. However, for me its just the consequences and the dark future that this seems to push us further into.
Hopefully the right fails to capitalize on his death effectively and we move onto largely forgetting about the piece of shit.
Your last sentence is what I’ve been worried about as well. We all know Trump is a blathering idiot, but he’s chomping at the bit to use military powers on US soil, and so far has been with no real reason. He could very easily use this as an excuse to further deploy troops and/or push more of his fascist agenda.
Didn’t he already deploy to Chicago? What excuse is needed when he’s already doing so? I don’t understand how everybody who portrays your sentiment is so daft/ignorant to what’s already going on.
Exactly who could have one iota of care for a shitstain who made a living spewing this type of hateful screed. Rest in Piss indeed.
How do you unfuck this mess?
One side cannot unilaterally declare peace. We’ve tried for years and they made it clear the terms of peace are to redefine it so their violence against innocents is peace in absence of opposition.
Not have Trump as president right now is a small first step.
Same lesson the South had to learn in the late 19th century.
Historically? With extreme violence, let’s hope we do better this time but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
I firmly believe that there are people who make the world better by dying.
The problem with this is that it will be used to increase violence against non-white cis males.
Like that wouldn’t happen without this. This belief that “if we don’t give them an excuse, they won’t make things worse” really needs to die. Fascists will do evil things, regardless of what anybody does.
Guess how Nazis were defeated in WW2…
im willing to bet the shooter was a white cis man though
ah yes, because it’s not like they’re alrrady commiting violence. If they’re gonna try and eradicate minorities, we should at least take some of them out with us
I’m almost certain you guys write replies like this with the frame of mind that it’s a clever way of wishing violence. It’s a peak reddit tier response designed to dodge moderators.
I beleive all life is sacred and that there is always opportunity for reform.
But at the end of the day we are defined by our ideas and the actions that back them.
If our ideas and actions undermine the greater good then its hard to argue that much is lost when the person that brings that ideology to life is themselves lost.
Yep. I’ve already said this like three times on other platforms: it’s ok to be happy about this. He gave you permission. Twice, actually. The “it’s worth sacrificing a person every now and then if it means we get to have guns” and this empathy thing.
This is maybe the only time it’s ok to be happy someone died.
This is maybe the only time it’s ok to be happy someone died.
There was also that one guy who shot himself in an underground bunker in Berlin. Gun violence and suicide are never OK but sometimes they are.
There are many who believe that one guy escaped to Argentina and lived a long life.
It’s what he would have wanted.
You could also be happy in Kim Jong Un dies… maybe Putin?
I always wonder where the cut off is, how evil does someone have to be for society to accept their death with gladness?
Putin is definitely on that list.
Any and every Oligarch is on my list for sure. May every one of them have a horrifying death that reflects the pain they have directly and indirectly inflicted on the world.
Not wearing a helmet, bullet-proof vest and all and arguing against gun control.
He was asking to be shot…
/s obvsly ffs
Bullet-proof vest wouldn’t have saved him as he was sniped in the neck. The head is a moving target and harder to hit, which is why the less professional sniper missed Trump, he tried to shoot him in the head and Trump happened to move his head at that very second, and aiming for center of mass can be risky in case they are wearing something bullet proof. The neck is clearly exposed and more stable of a target than the head. The sniper knew what they were doing.
OK, honestly I’m not going to celebrate a murder. But nothing can stop me from appreciating the heck out of the irony.
“I cannot wish death upon a man, but I have read some obituaries with great delight.”
Yes. I cannot willingly be gleeful of another’s death. Physically can’t.
A cashier told me in glee when he had been shot. I thought that moment was so representative of where we are now.
Hateful cunts finally getting consequence On one hand, but gleeful at another humans death. Odd feeling.
Systems are broken. Rise in political violence. Tale as old as time…
Are you new to the human race? Glee at other’s deaths is in our DNA.
Systems aren’t broken so much as the last few decades, say from the 1980s to about the mid 2000s, were the unusual thing. Now is normal again compared to the long-term behavior of our unsavory little ape-based species.
We’re garbage, the sooner you make peace with that, the easier it gets.
You sound like a very sad and lonely individual.
During natural disasters where society and infrastructure completely collapses and is destroyed, it is in human DNA to help eachother, collaborate, cooperate, and rebuild. Your ‘ape-based species’ bullshit is not founded in science, but founded by eugenisists stupid enough to look at apes and say “we’re like, the same.”
Human history is nothing but a series of people figuring out how to get along with eachother. People who focus on all the war and violence stuff are scary, and need some serious professional help. Yes, I’m talking about you, HugeNerd.
Human history is nothing but a series of people figuring out how to get along with eachother.
I loled.
Out of all the people you’ve encountered or interacted with, how many times were you murdered?
How do you square the very concept of murder with your statement?
Well, 100% of the people you’ve met so far haven’t killed you. I would argue that at least 95% of the people you’ve ever encountered have been good, in fact.
Human history is nothing but a series of people figuring out how to get along with eachother.
I’ve rarely laughed that hard. Thanks!
…Song as old as rhyme Beauty and the bEEEAASST!
(runs away)
Some losses are a hard gut punch, others are a mild tickle
I have seen so many right wingers post something along the lines of “leftists are so psychotic for being happy he was killed, we should kill all leftists in response!”
