This aged like milk. :(

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        “Will”!? Our mad orange king, as well as the other MAGA freaks are already blaming everyone left of “the poors should be hunted for sport” for this. Right now. Regardless of the killer’s beliefs, it so obviously wasn’t a coordinated campaign approved of by every non-conservative…

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        Interesting point made in live updating CNN Manhunt article:

        Here’s why authorities may be having a hard time finding Kirk’s killer, according to a chief CNN analyst From CNN’s Tori B. Powell

        A manhunt is still underway as law enforcement tries to find the person who fired the shot that killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk today.

        According to CNN Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst John Miller, the shooter’s planning, skill and execution may be complicating the search.

        He told CNN’s Kaitlan Collins that snipers have been studied closely by the government and they typically are people who are “methodical and patient, self-reliant.”

        “This is the kind of person who would have planned to get in silently, try to be invisible, take this shot, accomplish the mission, take the gun with them and leave little evidence behind which is why I think they’re having a very difficult time getting started on this.”

        Officials said earlier today that they believe the shooter fired one shot at one person and that it was a targeted incident.

        The single fired shot shows that “the person is not new to shooting,” Miller said, which ultimately could help officials get to the bottom of the investigation.

        “This is someone who knew exactly what they were doing and is probably known to others, and this may be working to the advantage of law enforcement,” Miller said. “As someone who has a long history in shooting, this wasn’t an amateur.”

        So, dude takes his position, fires a single shot for the kill, and then disappears without a trace. Pretty impressive.

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          Could be a paid for dude, which seems most likely judging by the description. Not many snipers in the general populace, I’m guessing. Ex-military maybe?

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            Do they know how far away they were? What rooftop they were on? I’m hoping they get away with it, but I’m not sure it would even have to be monetarily motivated. Maybe one of their friends or family members were killed as a result of his bullshit? There’s plenty of reasons to kill a shitstain like Kirk. Plenty of people, especially on this website, would’ve done the same if they had the ability.

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              CBS news at dinnertime didn’t have details on where but from witness accounts it was at least 100yds, 'cause people said the shot wasn’t that loud. That shit stays loud for 100ft easy. I’m sure law enforcement knows what rifle fired the round by now and it wouldn’t surprise me if they are shitting their pants because it’s some weird fucker like 6.5 creedmoor

              edit: I guess if someone pulled an Oswald and was inside the Book Depository that would muffle the sound heard by people near the victim. However, Utah is pretty fucking big without many tall buildings.

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        People on Lemmy are more likely to know but yes, I tried explaining to my dad how much of a shitstain this guy was. His take away from TV News was that this guy was somehow not MAGA and therefore it’s sad. Like, no, he very much is MAGA, lol

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        Don’t know who Charlie Kirk is? He runs so many ads on youtube with tpusa, that I’m surprised that there’s people that don’t know he exists atp.

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      Yeah, this is as dumb as Trump calling it political violence.

      Could be any number of people he fucked over or stiffed. These types if people (sociopaths) don’t care about anyone but themselves.

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        It’s obviously political violence though, whether the shooter is from the left or not. But sure it might be an elaborate mafia hit or his wife’s ex-boyfriend acting out some revenge fantasy – seems awfully unlikely though.

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          Could be Kirk’s ex-boyfriend for all we know.

          Looking at the rate they get caught fucking other men, most homophobes seem to be self-hating bisexuals.

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              Yeah, no. Kirk was straight. I can tell. Some are bisexuals, especially the ones that think being gay is a choice. There was nothing remotely gay about the man in any way. He believed everything he said. And it was probably a desnat or something.

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    I mean, just going off the last two people who shot at trump in the last year…

    There’s no reason to say this wasn’t MAGA yet.

    It could be someone who thought Kirk wasn’t going far enough because he still wanted to talk

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      I am fully convinced the trump thing was a false flag operation. They specifically selected a mentally unhealthy kid who was a bad shot. Trump wasn’t grazed by the bullet. The movements of his security and the press to set up that photo op paints it’s own damning picture.

      Charlie is just to much a fucking idiot to adhere to the same security protocols as literally every conservative event.

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        The movements of his security and the press to set up that photo op paints it’s own damning picture.

        I saw the video of them dragging Kirk out to and the difference between that and how they acted after Trump was “shot” is crazy…

        Like, this is what you expected out of any shooting. trump they legitimately seemed to not really give a shit.

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        Charlie is just to much a fucking idiot

        *was


        Anyway, IMO the main flaw in your “false flag operation” idea is that they’d want a good shot to make sure he wasn’t hit by accident. Having a bad shot point a gun at him would’ve been a Hell of a risk.

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          Fair point. But trump dying was a feature not a bug my dude. The fascist movement in the USA is clearly not confined to MAGA; as evidenced by the capitulation of big tech.

          I’m still convinced Trump was a means to an end. The GOP’s owners want him gone. He’s a fucking moron and they’re all just sitting waiting wishing for him to die.

          Look at what Fox is doing to Charlies death. They will 100% weaponize trumps death regardless of the cause.

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        I am fully convinced the trump thing was a false flag operation.

        A lot of people are saying it. Smart people. I mean it looks like Trump liked the guy and is angry about the hit, and he’s pretty truthful most of the time.

        Look, I don’t know shit about sqibs, body doubles or false flag stuff, and think it’s a lone wolf sort of thing.

        It’s just that a lot of smart people are having all sorts of questions.

        I say we all do our own research to figure out what really happened.

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          false flag stuff, and think it’s a lone wolf sort of thing.

          A lone wolf that was manipulated by the reality presented to him, fed motivation, and presented with an artificial opportunity. Just one of a short list of individuals being actively “groomed” into false flag shooters.

          As far as this kirk shooting, AFAIK they still haven’t found the guy? They’ve already arrested and released 2+ people on this.

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      True but really when we look at Kirk the only not far enough he could be doing is Epstein. Otherwise he’s jackboot all the way.

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      Yeah there plenty of groups mad at turning point USA for not being far right enough, even calling it alt-lite

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      those kids will totally get bullied by other kids showing them the video of their dad dying. that’s all I really feel bad about today.

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        Yea. About the only thing sad about this.

        Like, they are still kids, Charlie might have been a bigoted fascist but that’s far too complicated for children to fully understand; to them, he was just “Dad”.

        It is truly unfortunate for them they had the ill fate of being born to such a horrible person, but that horrid person was spreading rhetoric which has resulted in countless other children losing parents themselves. All I can hope is that those kids grow up to understand this.

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          No amount of mourning their “Dad” will ever compensate the hate he had for his daughter when he said he would allow her to give birth if raped… at age 9.

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    Is there any confirmation that the shooter was in any way a leftist, or motivated by left wing ideals? From all I know, it was some random guy who could have been a right winger who thinks Trump is centralizing the government which goes against his Ayn Rand ideology; or it could just be a loonie.

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        Sir this happened in Utah they use God’s own units.

        Since it was a rifle we use football fields. 22 football fields away.

        American football of course. We have no idea how many football pitches this might have been. 3? 200? There’s just no way to know.

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      None, here’s what we probably know

      It was probably done with a rifle at some point, shooter was on a roof, shooter ran away, that’s about what we know at this point.

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      No. The shooter was a CIA operative sent by Bill Clinton to distract from the Epstein files. It will turn out that the “suspect” is a young black Arab Mexican man from China sent here to start a lgbtq+ revolution.

      This is a false flag to further supress any non white Christian men.

      Also I don’t know who the shooter is. But I do know we were together all day in Florida at the time.

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      I would say it’s not even to distract as much as to silence him. If you watch the event, he was talking about it 20 minutes before being shot. He was saying that other republicans needed to answer for blocking the release of said files. The fact he wasn’t letting go of the epstein case and he has one of the biggest followings of young republicans, he was a threat to whoever doesn’t want that discussed. It’s possible it could have been something else, but who knows?

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    Trump ordered all flags at half mast until Sunday. If I had a flagpole, I’d be racing to add an extension on to it, even if it looked like shit, to raise it higher.

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      There was no attempt. Its should be so blindingly obvious by now. This guy cries bitches and moans abt shit from the 90s, if it was real he’d still be crying about this shit today akh. He slapped his ear after the “gunshot” and in the famous photo there’s NO WOUND, his ear’s completely intact, it’s js red. You’d think after a man almost got his headtop licked off, he’d have a wound 😐 What’s more damaging, EAR CARTILAGE DOESN’T FUCKING HEAL, so yeah it was staged.

      Now onto the kirk bastard the shooter who has not been found yet btw, had made the shot from a building 200 yards away with a high-powered rifle. Now I’m no conspiracy theorist, and this is ALL purely speculation, tr*mp posted on truth his message to send prayers. At that EXACT same minute Ben Sketanyahu stopped his bombing campaign of 7 different countries to tweet his prayers for kirk.

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        200 m was the standard range distance when I was in the army and we’d usually group in at least 10 or 15 cm target with iron sights. And that was with a plain Famas.

        200m is nothing with a rifle.

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        200 yards is pushing it with the bb guns we train kids with. 200 yards with a rifle isn’t a big deal. Kind of at the limit of iron sights. Once you’re dialed in though you can group rounds in to something about the size of a dinner plate pretty easily.

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          No, I understand he got hit in the neck and blood instantly started gushing out, essentially guaranteeing a 1 way trip to hell, but he was pronounced dead at the hospital, and stayed alive for a surprising amount of time.

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            Sometimes hospitals will endeavor to be overly optimistic, running a code for way longer than is likely to work. There’s a slim chance something pans out, even if the patient is unable to recover from a persistent vegetative stare.

            Who knows about his vitals, but he almost certainly didn’t significantly suffer, he was unconscious before he could realize what happened.

            I saw an accident where a car rolled and a passenger was ejected and his head hit the asphalt at speed, leaving skull and brain matter on the asphalt. The news reported that he was pronounced dead at the hospital about an hour later.

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                Or has a cult of fanatics that is prone to conspiracy theories that will take any opportunity to imagine the medical staff deliberately let them die…

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            You’re only pronounced dead at the hospital AFAIK (or by a doctor or something), so even when your head just explodes, you have to wait until the ambulance makes it to the hospital to be pronounced dead. Doesn’t mean you survived until they decided that chest compressions weren’t working.

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            They also didn’t pronounce JFK dead at the scene despite half his brains being in Jackie’s lap …

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              Well yeh, but when they pronounced him dead they stated his time of death at the precise moment when his headtop went flying, which is when he died. Charlie had officially died roughly 2h after the shot, he may have been a vegetable/unconscious but still by all accounts alive.

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    This is MAGA propaganda to spur them on. Who really thinks it was anyone other than trump and his goons who made this happen. They probably already had the ‘shooter’ picked out and are planning the frame as we speak. It worked with Luigi so they will just keep doing it until its the US version of fell out a window.

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    i’m more than a bit skeptical that “the left” was responsible for this. I think its highly likely that this was a false flag attack.

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      given the location and the years i lived there, knowing nothing else i’d think it’s someone who thinks kirk wasn’t far right enough

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        Yah it’s more likely than not some unhinged, violent right-winger either listening to the voices telling him who’s actually a lizard person or that Charlie Kirk is actually a clone and/or involved with some Q-anon fuckery.

        BECAUSE THAT’S WHO IT ALWAYS IS.

        When you’re someone who wants to solve the world’s problems via rifles with scopes, you’re not a balanced, well-adjusted person to begin with. I’m sure there are plenty of people with left-leaning ideas who fit this bill, but we’re just talking probabilities here.

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      I fucking hate BlueAnon. Sure there’s a good chance it was someone even farther right than he was, but not everything is a false flag. Do you have literally any evidence of it being a false flag beyond “just think about it bro”?

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        The fact that the bullet casings supposedly had “transgender” wording inscribed on them is a little too convenient to not raise suspicion. Either A) whole thing was setup or B) evidence is being doctored. C) Could be all on the up and up and everything just falls into place perfectly, but how likely really?

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          I wouldn’t be surprised if evidence was being tampered with or mishandled, but there’s a lot of distance between mishandled/misleading evidence and a false flag attack. If there’s evidence of a false flag that’s one thing, but I’m gonna need more than “think about it, is everything really on the up and up?”

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    I didnt like Kirk. I didn’t agree with what he had to say. But by God he was a person, and the whole left vs right thing needs to fucking stop.

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      I find it a little grotesque how thrilled people are about it, but no one is happy he’s dead just because he’s “right”. They’re happy because he was a monster that inflicted a lot of pain on other people intentionally. He was an absolutely piece of shit.

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      he was a person

      He was also a prolific bigot spreading his bigotry to millions of gullible people.

      Good riddance.