Apache OpenOffice??
Surely you meant LibreOffice. OpenOffice has basically been dead for years, with no significant work going on.
It’s an older image, not updated.
OpenOffice was dead before it was transferred to Apache, so it’s not old enough to excuse.
That Firefox logo is from 2019. Oracle killed OpenOffice in 2011. Like, they actually completely stopped all work on it. They intentionally killed it at least eight years before this image was made.
I agree that it shouldn’t be there. LibreOffice is the clear replacement.
LibreOffice just doesn’t roll of the tongue like OoenOffice though. Which really sucks. I even catch myself saying it when I mean LibreOffice.
LibreOffice has been updated? Interface still looks like it was designed for Windows 95.
Is there an office suite you had in mind that looks futuristic? Comparing a slightly old version of LibreOffice with a modern version of MS Office… They look pretty similar to me? (The gray document background in libreoffice is from me, it defaults to something closer to MS office).
I haven’t used Apple’s suite much, but it’s likely that LO could learn something from it, for the simple reason that Apple knows about the principles of grouping in design and thus never subscribed to the approach of ‘cram lots of buttons in the toolbars without spacing’.
However, changing the paradigm of the existing UI is probably a big ask.
Ah, I assumed you were comparing it to MS Office as the gold standard, and chose the tabbed mode to make it closest to that, though I don’t personally use it that way myself.
LibreOffice has a simpler mode, though not quite as bare-bones as your Apple example. It’s how I how use it personally:
There’s also a Sidebar mode, which can collapse out of the way when not in use, or be brought back by pressing a small button on the side of the program.
I agree it could stand to offer a mode with much more spacing and just the essential options, but I think for the most part, the simpler toolbar mode which I use is pretty adequate, and doesn’t feel overwhelming to use.
Alternatively, Libreoffice is quite customizable, so a user can remove every option from the toolbar they never use, and make it appear nicer and less cramped.
assumed you were comparing it to MS Office
I’m not the guy to whom you originally replied, so I’m just chiming in with my observations. I would never pose MS’ design as anything to aspire to, because MS only recently learned about the principles of grouping, which is very basic design stuff. Their design philosophy for ages consisted of crammed toolbars, crammed lists, and crammed tables.
Unfortunately, LibreOffice isn’t better in this regard, and won’t be until they work on the UI toolkit to allow a different approach (like e.g. Firefox does allow). Apple’s UI is good not because it’s ‘bare-bones’, but because it organises elements visually instead of piling them all into a giant toolbar for the user to wade through. Other Mac apps are the same way, usually including third-party ones because they follow Apple’s guidelines. Btw, iirc the toolbars are typically customizable.
Ah, so you are! My mistake :p
until they work on the UI toolkit to allow a different approach (like e.g. Firefox does allow)
Like how Firefox lets you drag and drop icons and spacers around? That would be cool to have in Libreoffice.
Apple’s UI is good not because it’s ‘bare-bones’, but because it organises elements visually instead of piling them all into a giant toolbar for the user to wade through.
Could definitely see that as a big improvement, even as someone quite used to the Windows 95 way of doing things (or at least, I prefer the old way to the ribbon), hopefully someone who has a similar itch to us as well as the capabilities to implement it does so someday :)
Like how Firefox lets you drag and drop icons and spacers around?
Yeah, the spacers are the key thing here, because humans perceive spaced-out things to be topically distinct. Meanwhile Windows always offered separator bars to divide groups of buttons in the toolbars, which of course added visual noise. Idk what toolkit LO uses, but from what I’ve seen Java UIs typically follow Windows’ conventions.
LibreOffice’s look stems in large part from the UI toolkit that they use. Which was guaranteed to look like Windows, since LO is made in Java, and is not gonna be changed easily.
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It still looks and behaves like StarOffice.
The templates they include look ancient as well. They do have a mediocre copy of Microsoft’s ribbon interface.
I mean, there’s no such thing as a good copy of Microsoft’s ribbon interface.
Lmao I’ve been doing a digital forensics class online, and it’s always got VMs with ancient versions of software on it, so I got to discover what Apache OpenOffice was. Love that they have to use FOSS to teach us shit since Windows needs a subscription.
Typo
I almost wrote dogital forensics. Is that using dogs to find data? Sniff out that hard drive and get datadumping boy!
get datadumping boy!
remember to scoop the poop after
All of the ones here are pretty old, so I can believe the meme is over 10 years old with mayve the firefox logo swapped out
With enshitification nowadays, the fact that they’re nonprofit is the reason why the software is good quality.
If you ever feel like you can’t make anything good, keep in mind that companies will intentionally make worse stuff
😤 I’m upset I never thought about it this way till now.
That’s my main issue with windows in particular. Their bad decisions are known to be bad for the user, but in theory good for the shareholders.
I can accept I’m not the right user for a program or feature, but not that the features are against the users.
Why on earth is OpenOffice here??
LibreOffice is the maintained fork.
It has been that way for 16 years now.
16 years.
There are people working full time jobs who were born the same year that LibreOffice started.
Stop promoting OpenOffice. People will have problems with it that have been long fixed in LibreOffice.
Edit: typo
What is only office then?
OnlyOffice was an office suite developed by Sun Microsystems. Oracle stopped development whel they bought Sun. eventually the developers got fed up and founded the Open Document Foundation. oracle threw kind of a hissy fit, then eventually gave up and donated Open Office to the Apache foundation. Apache alleges Open Office is an active project, but they’re just shuffling deck chairs. Open Office is dead, and Oracle killed it. Libre Office is what Open Office used to be, and moreedit: what the fuck is only office?
I think you misread “only office” as “open office”. Though, you typed both in your reply… 🤔
ah shit. you’re right. sr moment. what the fuck is only office?
Haha classic.
Good info in this comment https://lemmy.world/comment/22430995
Its only office.
Only Office is an open source free suite that is developed by Ascension System SIA. It is open source but has a paid option for corporate support. It offers cloud storage servers or local server storage.
When I retired, I wanted to ditch LibreOffice because I just don’t need a full office suite anymore. So I tried Only Office for a bit. It’s kind of like the office suite we have at home. It’s fine for most people. But I always had issues with it dying on me under Fedora and Mint.
After a while, I realized I didn’t even need that much office anymore. So I’m back to where it all began on Linux-- AbiWord and Gnumeric. That’s all I need anymore. It’s refreshing how a mere 125Gigs of storage on a cheap mini desktop can show what you really only need.
Thank you
Tbf I haven’t used either extensively (or at least the features I’ve used in either have been very basic one), but I haven’t had any issues with OpenOffice. What are some of the issues you’re referring to in OpenOffice? Personally I tend to prefer it because I just think it looks nicer, but clearly there are some issues with it I’m unaware of.
Edit: Nvm, I’m mixing up OnlyOffice and OpenOffice. Never even heard of OpenOffice before…
It’s been over 10 years since I tried it, but at that time it was common for OpenOffice to have compatibility issues with MS office formats, but those issues were already fixed in LibreOffice.
Isn’t that sort of an issue with LibreOffice today though? At least in the sense that there are features in for example Microsoft Word where, if you use them in a document, and then open that document in LibreOffice Writer, it won’t render correctly/won’t function? I struggle to give you an example because it was a along time since I tried to do that, but I have definitely run into some compatibility issues there, on the side of LibreOffice. Maybe you’re referring to something else though?
Edit: Nvm, I’m mixing up OnlyOffice with OpenOffice. Never used OpenOffice, don’t even know what it is.
Where is FreeCad in this one? I’ve started using it after buying a 3d printer, and it’s awesome what that piece of software lets me create.
It’s got OpenOffice in it. This picture must be ancient.
Got any links to learning? Ive gotten pretty far in fusion360 but am trying to transition and found f360 let’s me be too lazy or sketch centric/doesn’t require parametric rules
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Check out MangoJelly on YouTube. The guy has hundreds of tutorials for FreeCAD and they’re great
Ive found it useful to search for a freecad tutorial for any object on YouTube and follow it, making an actual thing. Even if that thing is not of use to me, I learn from building it and use those concepts in what I want to build.
definitely a goated application on linux by now. I’ve just started using it, and holy cow, it’s way more capable than I thought it was. 1.0 was a blessing!
I wonder if it changed much in the last year. The assembly implementation is what’s holding me back. Well, that and staring at cad all day at work already.
Freecad is my first cad experience, so I have no idea what I’m missing out on. That said, try the 1.1rc3 there’s a lot of changes between 1 and 1.1
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Shoutout to openscad!
Heck, they won’t even let you into a difficult-to-cancel subscription! What are they thinking? Think of the revenue!
I heard they don’t collect your private information and sell it to third parties, either. It’s as if they hate society itself!
Openoffice-> LibreOfficeSeriously, don’t use OpenOffice, it’s abandoned for over 10 years.
What people don’t always remember about FOSS is they are just making it for themselves they are users as well as devs. The great thing about FOSS is if someone else happens to use it that’s great and maybe they will contribute to something they use.
yeah I recently built myself a music player because I was just so disappointed with all the available options on Linux. Nothing had EVERYTHING I wanted. Many had really crappy shuffles or just didn’t include one at all. many just wouldn’t play the entirety of your music collection and most simply wouldn’t do both online streaming and local music playback. So I built one that’s TUI based that does everything I want and it’s perfect. Allows me to play music from QoBuz, my Navidrome server, or just local music files OR I can play all three making a “SUPER” music library. Shuffle that ACTUALLY shuffles the ENTIRE collection. search feature, integration with soulseek to download music to either my local machine or navidrome and qobuz search to add to that playlist.
I’m not going to release it because A. like i said it’s perfect for me and B. I dont’ want to deal with users git issues or having to deal with other devs wanting to contribute. It works, it’s mine, and that’s that. will never see the light of day.
Can I ask how you integrated Qobuz? I see they have a locked API and no other obvious way to integrate
honestly I just looked at what others have done with qobuz-player which is a TUI qobuz player and pretty much copied and pasted that.
Thanks, I’ll have a look at that!
So why is Mozilla shoving AI garbage nobody asked for into Firefox? I seriously doubt that their severely overpaid execs don’t have some kind of profit incentive.
It really should be LibreWolf up there instead
The image says “making”, not “rebranding”.
They made high quality software…
Until they got a profit incentive.They actually pay their employees.
???
Of course they do.
I don’t see your point.
Mozilla exec compensation aside (relative to other tech CEOs it is pretty low) the reason they do this is because they are trying to make money in some way that isn’t the Google search box.
The other thing to consider is that even though a lot of people around here and AI skeptics loads is the general public are not and use it everyday and don’t think twice.
I swear the Firefox users have no perspective whenever this stuff comes up.
It’s always “why don’t they just work on the browser” or " I would pay for just the browser" ( they won’t, and even if they did most won’t and it won’t be enough)
Web browsers don’t make money. It’s why only chrome basically exists and that’s a cost center to support Google’s Internet ad hegemony and they spend billions a year on it.
I am watching ladybird and hoping they manage to coalesce the required amount of support to get something off the ground and keep it there.
Firefox isn’t used by the “general public”. The general public doesn’t give a shit about open-source or which corporate logo is stamped on their copy of Chromium. Many won’t even look past Edge, and the rest will likely use Chrome because everyone does already.
No, Firefox is used by the enthusiasts who care about not using Chromium; about actively choosing control over convenience. Now Mozilla Corp is pissing off that same audience by doing what Google does – shoving AI up everything. To date, every decision regarding AI has met with pushback from their own userbase. Being the lesser evil does not grant them a free pass for every boneheaded decision.
If they need cash, they can fire that fuckwit of a CEO, roll the savings back into their engineers and products, and go on a funding campaign promising to actually improve their products like Mozilla
OrgFoundation did with Thunderbird.Web browsers don’t make money. It’s why only chrome basically exists and that’s a cost center to support Google’s Internet ad hegemony and they spend billions a year on it.
Yep. Well, I don’t necessarily agree it started exclusively for the ads, but they definitely wanted to create something that they control. Microsoft Edge and Opera switching to Chromium just means Google has more soft control on how the web operates. (Even saying “soft” there is pretty generous.) A majority of browsers are Chromium forks. Google can control how the web operates because of it.
But to your point though, thwarting ad blocking is a huge part of it now. The manifest V3 changes (which severely limited what sorts of ad blocking extensions could do) came the same year they listed ad blocking as a significant risk to their revenue in their shareholder statement. Which, I just wanna mention for folks who might not be keeping up with this as much, isn’t some sort of conspiratorial statement. It’s a public document because they’re a publicly traded company.
At least they listened to users and made it easy to turn off. Still not acceptable, but at least something.
It’s so that they get goog money
Audacity sold out and is now spyware; use Tenacity instead.
For real!? Damn
Not for real.
Not really, it’s still fully FOSS, they were just terrible at communicating what they actually wanted to do and people got spooked.
Wait, what?!? You got a source for that?
I’ll be pissed if it’s true… Audacity holds a special place in my heart.
Source - download page’s main option wants you to download using the “Muse Hub”. Even if you install with a normal installer, here’s one of the welcome tips
Yuck. Thanks for the heads-up.
Your complaint is that they offer optional plugins, downloadable via their launcher that is specifically designed to make installing plugins more convenient?
My complaint is that that MuseHub is being pushed as the main way to download Audacity. Right now, it’s a relatively small push, but I vaguely recall that (so I might be misremembering), a few months ago, the Audacity installer would try to sneak a install of MuseHub
Really? It doesn’t look like it - theta been some bleating about lag and far of oy uploading audio but other than a whole lot if argument, I can’t see much in the way of details, let alone facts
So many people let perfect be the enemy of good. Firefox is great. It’s the pillar of non-Chromium of browsers. Servo and Ladybird are not there yet and will take many years to surpass Firefox if ever. A Firefox fork has a better shot than those 2
GIMP is great software. Is it just Photoshop and Affinity better than it. Not seeing as much hate on Inkscape when it’s just Adobe and Affinity as better.
OpenOffice is outdated but was good for like ~2010
A bunch of y’all would have been ragging on Blender 10 years ago. Ragging on Krita. In 2012 acting like gaming in Linux was doomed. In 2015 acting like Kdenlive would never reduce crashes and improve functionality. Acted like Darktable would never be competitive with Lightroom. Godot would be no good for anything more than 2d sidescrollers and never compete with Unity 5. A bunch of do nothing fence sitters. Firefox and GIMP developers contribute more to the good of humanity than anyone crying about them in this thread
So many people suck up for the better of two bad options. You can use it and still give it deserved criticism, you won’t hurt it’s (or the wealthy Firefox exec team’s) feelings.
I use Firefox because Google killed Manifest v2 support and (with it) uBlock Origin. Unfortunately they seem to be heading towards the AI slop route.
Yes, Edge and Brave exist but one is maintained by Microslop and will likely also follow in Google’s footsteps, and the other I don’t particularly trust because they have a homophobe as CEO and did some crypto token shit with their ad system.
A bunch of y’all would have been ragging on Blender 10 years ago. Ragging on Krita. In 2012 acting like gaming in Linux was doomed. In 2015 acting like Kdenlive would never reduce crashes and improve functionality. Acted like Darktable would never be competitive with Lightroom. Godot would be no good for anything more than 2d sidescrollers and never compete with Unity 5. A bunch of do nothing fence sitters. Firefox and GIMP developers contribute more to the good of humanity than anyone crying about them in this thread
The last time I used Linux as a desktop OS was around 2008. Back then the state of FOSS was absolutely dire.
I used to have a shitty Packard Bell PC at home which was weirdly partitioned, 20GB dedicated to the C:\ partition and 100GB dedicated to D:. An asshole “friend” at school goaded me into pirating Norton PartitionMagic and using it to merge the two partitions and pretty much totalled my Windows installation. As I didn’t have a backup CD I had to use Ubuntu for a few months.
The only game I genuinely got working on Linux was World of Warcraft and even installing that was a pain. WC3 was supposedly “Platinum” on Wine’s AppDB but would often freeze and didn’t support using the mouse to move the camera. Some versions also couldn’t connect online.
Fastfoward to today and gaming on Linux has evolved by leaps and bounds, in large part thanks to Valve. The only games you genuinely can’t get running are those with kernel level anticheat software.
A Firefox fork has a better shot than those 2
Yes.
For example, LibreWolf skipped the AI forced-down-the-throat drama.
I think maybe LibreWolf only ships with Debian, by default; but it is also in the repositories for Mint, and so I assume also Ubuntu.
Librowolf is not a fork, just a set of patches on top of Firefox stable.
Ok, while most of these don’t have companies behind them with huge revenues, most work on these projects is done by paid developers, with money coming from sponsorships, grants, donations and support deals. (Or in the case of Linux - device drivers are a prerequisite for anyone buying your product).
Developers getting paid to work on open source is a good thing. These projects may have begun their life as small hobby projects - they aren’t anymore. (And that’s probably good)
shoutout to ffmpeg!
firefox? no profit incentive? we wish
Same can be said about the Linux Kernel.
firefox is debataable
Name a better open source browser built from the ground up that isn’t backed by big tech, I’ll wait.
Firefox is literally backed by big tech though?
Ladybird is on the horizon.
Also Firefox isn’t built from the ground up I don’t believe. It’s based on Gecko which iirc was based on KHTML. idk i can’t fully remember don’t take this as fact. i use firefox and prefer it to chomium based browsers but Mozilla has been making really weird moves lately around AI that I think is very unnecessary.
Chrome and Safari are built from forks of KHTML, WebKit, not Gecko
Firefox was born out of the Mozilla project.
there are none but that doesnt mean firefox is good dont settle because everything else is worse
Just because there is no better open source browser doesn’t mean it fits the description of OP’s list
Boredom mostly, if their lazy bosses worked them more then they wouldn’t have time to be productive at home.
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