Still seems bonkers to me they made anti-fascists the bad guys.
It demonstrates they don’t comprehend basic English - this statement included.
Not really. To you, antifa is a loosely-if-at-all organised collection of people united by opposition to fascism. To them, it’s a real organisation with actual members who use violence against the government. To you, because the collection isn’t really organised, the name determines what it is. To them, because it’s a real organisation, the name can be a lie and doesn’t matter. To you, direct action against the government is justified, because they’re in the process of creating a fascist state. To them, the government isn’t fascist, so action against the government can’t be on the basis of anti-fascism; antifa must therefore be a dishonest label.
Ah, but you have made the classical mistake of assuming they think/ actually believe what they are saying and arent just trying to disenfranchise billions.
Who’s “they”, now? I think that plenty of politicians knowingly misrepresent things like this, but I don’t think the average Trump voter/Fox news watcher understands. Otherwise the politicians and the news just wouldn’t have to lie.
This is somewhat of an encouraging thought. They have to lie to keep people on their side. Unfortunately the lies work, but at least the people don’t support their real agenda.
Average viewer doesnt think, average producer is running a grift
And furthermore, to them the government can’t be fascist because they supported all of the fascist parts of it.
Never believe that
anti‐ Semitesfascists are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. Theanti‐Semitesfascists have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.- Jean-Paul Sartre
France to the rescue!
A friend asked me what is antifa… I started carrying crayons after that encounter.
To feed your friend?
Maybe we need a rebranding change the name to anti-evil. Instead of fascist you say evil
Soon: “if being evil is bad then I don’t want to be good!!”
There is a fucking Stalin on this picture. Please don’t upvote it. Some nations to this day use “Yalta” as a synonym of “betrayal”.
Stalin was part of the allies who kicked the nazis to the curb. We can’t upvote the allies?
All Stalin had to do was not make a deal with Hitler.
He didn’t have to cozy up to Churchill, just not make a deal with Hitler.
Also, after he made the deal he killed anyone who tried to tell him that Hitler was going to stab him in the back.
Communists in the German army walked up to the Russian lines and told them that invasion was on the way. Stalin had them killed.
The Russian people beat Hitler; Stalin was a yoke around their neck.
But the Soviets did try to cozy up to the UK, France, etc. Before the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact came into being
Because the Soviets knew that the Nazi’s wanted to to Manifest Destiny in Eastern Europe.
They were turned away because western the powers thought that the Nazi’s would do the dirty work of destroying the Communists for them.
So, to bide time, the Soviets see no other choice but to make nice with the Nazis for a time.
We can look back, with the benefit of hindsight, at aspects of all this, and say “Damn x thing about this sucked shit”, but I think you’re being overly simplistic in your assessment
Well that’s some Nazi friendship apologism.
Well that’s some purity test oversimplification.
The Soviets plan was to make a non-aggression pact to buy themselves time to not get invaded since they knew that it was coming.
And as SpookyBogMonster said, they did try to achieve that a decade earlier with the western powers but were rejected.
This is however besides the point. Stalin was a part of the allies and not upvoting something just because Stalin is present in the picture is dumb.
The Russian people beat Hitler
Same goes for the rest of the allied soldiers but hey, it’s Churchill and Franklin we speak of
The Soviets plan was to make a non-aggression pact to buy themselves time to not get invaded since they knew that it was coming.
Yeah, officially that’s what they did. And they also agreed on which parts of Europe they would each help themselves to.
Absolutely. One can do two things
You cut out the part where I said Stalin was a yoke around the neck of the Russians.
He killed a lot of his own best generals. Neither Churchill or FDR did that.
No disagreement about that, but it was besides the point
I assume the lack of nuance is the argument in this case.
Oh yeah probably! Just a picture of Franklin maybe? He’s the only one I haven’t heard supporting any fascist policies
Oh yeah probably! Just a picture of Franklin maybe?
Someone’s familiar with Churchill’s behaviour and opinions outside of WW2 I see
EDIT: “lively terror” , Bengal famine , gallipoli/“operation get behind the Aussies”
EDIT2 : oh shit, the Bengal famine even took place during WW2, what an arsehole. I’m starting to be convinced that bigging up churchill is a right wing psyop to keep Clement Attlee from being consistently ranked as the greatest Prime Minister so the UK gets left wing ideals further entrenched into its identity.
In some countries, such as Germany, “the allies” (or its translation) doesn’t even generally include Russia. Russia was allied with Germany at first, raped half of Europe, then divided it in two and tried to starve half of Berlin.
The picture is a relevant reminder of what fascism is and how it needed to be defeated in the past, but I can understand opposition to anything that lauds Stalin.
In Sweden the Soviets are not really regarded as part of the allies as well, just some other entity that the allies helped against Hitler. That doesn’t change that they were in the allies club however.
And Stalin should rightfully be left in the murderous dictators club. But recommending to not upvoting a picture of the allied leaders because Stalin is there, well.
who kicked the nazis to the curb
Crackers still haven’t forgiven him for that
If you think Stalin was better than Hittler, I have a bridge to sell you.
Reading comprehension mate. Nowhere could you find any such sentiments in what I wrote.
Let me paraphrase, yes, I belive that it’s not a great idea to upvote a genocidal tyran responsible for a death of millions just becouse he is an “ally”. The exact picture that you upvoting is the moment when real allies were betreyed and given away to him.
Polish pilots destroy 12% of German aircraft’s during the Battle of Britain. The same pilots learned that they are not allowed to march in the parade during victory day, not to displease Stalin… Oh and that they don’t have home to go back to.
Here’s a funny picture of the “og afa” which Stalin was very much a part of. The “you can’t upvote this because Stalin is present!” is stupid.
Two reasons: Stalin was with the allies, no denying that, and what better picture to present that view that the iconic picture of them together?
There’s no denying of the crimes Stalin were responsible for but you can’t overlook the fact that he was an ally.
Stalin was with the allies,
Betraying other allies. It is iconic. It should be infamous.
you can’t overlook the fact that he was an ally Agree. But it’s not a reason to be proud. It’s a cause of shame.
Think about it this way. If the allience was with hittler to defeat Stalin would you be upvoting it? Becouse there is no fucking difference.
Make a deal with the devil you know seems to be relevant here.
how’s not voting for trump’s opponents working out for you?
Co kurwa?
Kurwa mac. You’re posting some bullshit purity test nonsense. “oh no, there’s one bad person who in this context was doing the right thing, let’s disregard it completely!”
Stalin is as bad or maybe worse parson than Hitler. And on this picture exactly its captured a moment when allies were selling allies by making a deal with him at their expense of freedom and lives. 40% of polish land was stolen. Legimate Polish goverment that was sending trups to die with British and American soldier was removed and replaced with soviet-backed puppets that day. It was the end of democracy in Poland for the next 44 years. Iligal annexation of Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania was signed that day. All allies. Fate of Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria was sealed behind iron curtain that day. “Bad person doing right thing” is a very reductive way to look at this.
that’s cool for you, and the alliance pictured is what beat the nazis and ended ww2. so I don’t care.
Ended for some, prolonged the occupation for others. And yes, I see the lack of carrying. That’s exactly why it was a betrayal.
Antifa has leaders?! Since when?
Also anyone who’s against antifa, is fascist. By definition.
Anybody who’s against North Korea is against democracy. Anybody who’s against nazis is against socialism.
Just to be clear, your implication is that Antifa isn’t actually anti-fascist, but is fascist themselves?
Do you realize how hard it would be for antifa, a decentralized concept that people self identify as, to band together to oppress everyone in favor of nationalism? And what nation would they be oppressing for?
If you are correct, and I want you be clear that you aren’t and you’re dumb, but if you are correct then I’m fucking impressed by antifa more than ever.
Antifa isn’t a country, party or group though. It’s a loose movement.
A similar thing would be environmental activist (or enva for short). Sure, you could call yourself environmental activist while adocating against the environment, but that wouldn’t mean that environmental activism is bad for the environment, it would mean that you aren’t actually an environmental activist…
I’ll take crap takes for 500.
What
I mean, there’s a picture of stalin above your comment calling him a member of antifa council.
Some mixed signals there.
He did fight against the fascists during the second world war. But yeah, mixed signals, for sure.
Let’s say country A is imperialist with a bit of fascism sprinkled on top. County B is openly fascist, but has a lot of resources and poses a threat to country B.
If country A invades, occupies, and crushes country B, is country A inherently anti-fascist? It did fight the fascists.
I fail to see how that relates to what I said. I said anyone opposed to antifa is fascist by definition. The reverse isn’t automatically true.
A cow is an animal, not all animals are cows.Also I never said that I supported Stalin in anything
Sorry, I didn’t mean it to be directed at you. It was sort of a rethorical thought.
An old woman in a wheelchair stands up to ICE and you’re implying she’s a loser?
That woman has more courage in her pinkie toe than you have in your balls you little shit
This picture makes my girl parts wet.
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Standing up for the weak? That’s bad now?
The enemy is both inferior and weak, but also they are taking over and should be feared. Please believe both, it’s incredibly important that you do
Uh ya. Turns out individuals who had to overcome social, economical, and political oppression seem to be POC, disabled, queer, or a women. They don’t see any able bodied white Christan men at the front and freak out. It’s because they think we’ll treat the way they treat everyone else. So Ya conservatives just think everyone is as evil as they are
mechanised infantery in the front
I look at that photo and think “hell yeah!”
John Antifa, Destroyer of Faschists.
Dumbasses are unable to understand that antifa is a nationwide movement not a centralized organization.
Not even that.
Anitfa = antifascist
Are you a fascist? If not, then you are antifa.
No movement needed, but like minded antifa people gatherings are good.
No, you have to be against fascism. If you are neutral you would not be antifa
I disagree. If you are permissive or tolerant of fascism, even if you yourself don’t actively engage, you are a fascist cunt in my books.
When it comes to fascism, you are either for or against, there’s no in between.
Kinda like saying “I’m not a murderer myself, but I see nothing wrong with others being murderers.”
Inaction is the sum of it though. Neutrality is benign, but you should probably remove it anyways, right. They aren’t holding up their end of the bargain in a society, which is unfortunately taking a side on things. Not being at the table does not make them complicit by and large, but it allows it to happen.
They also allow good things to happen that they don’t necessarily agree with, because they stand aside and grumble to themselves and their tiny circle if not outright ignoring it. It doesn’t mean they should not be involved but humanity as a whole has a pact mentality, whereas it’s someone else problem, where are we going today?
I disagree.
I am as antifascist as everyone else
*international
Damn that’s inspiring
I’m picking the one in the helmet for my team of hardened badasses. Anyone who owns a helmet is probably ready to go the distance.
looks like a character from tank girl
Strange guardians of the galaxy vibes from the 3 in the front. Drax, starlord, and rocket.
I was getting a Sarah Connor vibe from the middle lady
