It says it’s so massive they orbit a common point outside the sun. Smaller planets don’t have their common point outside the sun.

Well that’s quite a mental Image! And I’m not challenging anyone’s right to self actualize - I certainly encourage it.
But it’s not that I’m hung up on gender stereotypes it’s just that I don’t see how there is any gender ‘experience’ without being based on sexually stereotypes. Please just explain any such gender experience or characteristic.

Well I agree that feelings of bigotry don’t get protection just because they’re feeling. But it’s an interesting point, no? What you ir I might feel is right or wrong is different than what other people might feel is right or wrong. Even if there was some sort of definitive right and wrong, people’s feelings are what they feel. Thinking your feelings should be protected, but other’s shouldn’t seems a little hypocritical.

But I digress, what I’m really interested in is what things you think are gender characteristics (that aren’t stereotypes, and aren’t used to make judgments or enforce unfair rules).

Yes, I’d love that also. Anything to stop the killing. Of course we need security for all - if Israel completely withdraws, security would have to be provided by someone or else Hamas would just build up and attack like before.

I do condemn Israel in the strongest way. But I also condemn Hamas.

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To play devils advocate: Do you think we should invalidate people’s feelings of hate toward trans folk?

Regardless, your first two points seems to conflict. The social construct of gender is based on stereotypes. How can there be any notion of a particular gender unless there are characteristics attributed to it? And any generalization based on such assumptions is sexist by definition.

I agree that some people just feel they are what they are and that’s totally cool. Power to ya! But it is interesting to see the echos of conservatism hiding in these ‘progressive’ ideals, whether people want to admit it or not.

But if you agree that Hamas is despicable, why not call for it to surrender? You don’t think it would stop Israel, but it could. No, you can’t bring yourself to do that. Why? Because you don’t want Israel to ‘win’? The chance of saving children isn’t worth that much to you?

But there’s air. Where does the air go? Maybe you can only teleport in space.

I think I was pretty clear that I don’t support Israel.
But your minimizing the atrocities of Hamas doesn’t help the situation. Israel has gone off the deep end, just like the U.S. is going. But to not recognize Hamas’ desire to wipe out the Jews in Israel shows a very poor understanding of the situation.

The trick is to have a canned sound to use to respond to something that can be interpreted as that’s good, that’s bad, that’s interesting, etc.

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Well that’s completely wrong then. You are therefore wrong about masculinity meaning confidence . You agree?

You’re a genocide supporter then. Hamas wants to genocide Israel. And you are supporting Hamas.
I don’t support Israel’s actions in Gaza.
I was just pointing out that by calling it an occupation, then an occupying force has the responsibility of providing safety and stability to the occupied lands. And Hamas, in that context, would be a barrier to that.

I think communication and general moral consensus matters. If people voiced their dislike and contempt for Hamas half as much as they do for Israel, it could have the effect of diminishing Hamas’ purpose for continuing this war.
But I think a lot of commenters actually support Hamas, and the violence it keeps doing. But they won’t actually admit that. So it makes it hard to understand.

So women can’t be confident in themselves without being masculine?

Right. And I’ve always viewed the notion of trans as weirdly social conservatism - because it seems to buy into sexism. I would think a fight against gender stereotypes would be better than a fight to be able to use flexible labels to fit in gender stereotypes. But I guess it amounts to the same thing.

Cool. But then isn’t the fight for trans rights sort of the wrong fight? Why not fight directly against all gender stereotypes and inequalities? Which as a progressive 80’s kid, was what I’ve fought for all my life. Dress and act how you like and it shouldn’t have anything to do with what’s between your legs at birth.

Ever heard of nuance?