Yeah, no. Segregation magically ending in 1954? The Civil Rights struggles of the 60s didn’t happen? Redlining and Ghettoizing of Black communities? Destruction of Black families by mass incarceration of Black males and forcing families to stay apart to collect benefits, while vilifying single Black mothers as “welfare queens”? We have never, ever been in the green.
Even slavery is still around.
Hell, there were (are still?) segregated schools up until around 2000. I know at least one wasn’t set to desegregate until sometime in the 90s.
I remember reading about a segregated prom in like 2013
bay area, california, and folk use religion as their segregator. if they want to be surrounded by all white people they pick a religion/cult that has only white people going to it. have their kids go to their youth group, do their polyarhythmiac jazz prom, go to their
halloweenharvest dinner/chili cookoff and kick all their bland white bean turkey chili bell peppers too spicy asses, sorry i had a point somewhere but i remembered some ptsfuckingd chili and that shit does things to you. like, i don’t think my great/grand/parents joined the cults they joined because they were racists, i think they joined because they were lonely and being racist was something people didn’t end relationships over. you end relationships over white grandma turkey chili that’s got no spice in it oh your god cassie. or your sister cassie’s god it doesn’t matter. drop an ancho and a bar of chocolate in it and pretend just don’t please gods please don’t enter it in the contest again i’m not tasting it if i’m a judge.
don’t join cults kids, you might end up eating some nasty fucking ass chili do your worst hyphen clown asses
The further north you go the more segregated it gets and still is today. But we never think of the northern states as segregated.
The northern states aren’t really segregated, we just have like 99% white people.
This is not true. Northern cities are still extremely segregated. We say it’s because of economics now, but it’s effectively segregation. The underlying causes of the economic disperity largely remain in place also.
oregon isn’t segregated it was just illegal to be black until some embarrassing time i forget
As the old saying goes, “In the north, they don’t care how loud you get, so long as you don’t get too close. In the south, they don’t care how close you get so long as you aren’t loud.”
while vilifying single Black mothers as “welfare queens”?
You forgot the “best” part: poor people renting apartments end up subsidizing wealthier people living in single-family homes, because suburban sprawl doesn’t generate enough tax revenue per acre to fund the infrastructure and services it consumes. The white middle-class bigots doing the vilifying are, themselves, the real welfare queens!
Yeah, wtf. Martin Luther King got shot in 68. They just forgot to tell him that all is well for 14 years?
There was also a tiny sliver of reconstruction for 12 years in there too. Then the killing sliver at the end of that.
What is the US prison system but slavery with extra steps?
there aren’t even really extra steps considering slavery is perfectly legal in prisons according to the constitution
It seems like less steps: consolidate the whole racket, let the state enforce and pay for it, and let the enslavers continue to profit.
This seems much easier and more reliable than the prior decentralized system of private enslavers.
don’t worry we still have private prisons to carry on the tradition
The yellow should be orange and the green should be yellow and labeled “carcereal slavery”
I was going to comment something along these lines with the war on drugs, but legal slavery for imprisoned persons is a huge part of why the war on drugs was pursued and persists.
The civil rights act is from 1964, so even shorter time than the picture shows.
And after that, VRA, loving vs Virginia, fair housing act. Ending segregation was a gradual process that, by many metrics, still isn’t complete, but any date before 1964 or 1968 is a big fat lie.
Yeah without the fair housing act in 68, Trump wouldn’t have been sued in 73 for discrimination by the DOJ.
Its worse than that slavery against native Americans was earlier even if we only count territory that would be in the united states eventually and only by Europeans and their descendants, and the last person sold as a slave and the “owner” not being sentenced to life without parole was in world war 2.
There were news stories as recent as 2012 about schools in the south being segregated. There are still sundown towns. Segregation only ended on paper.
My ex’s family would talk about what they’d do to a black person if one ever stepped foot on their property. Within the last 10 years btw.
If you count incarceration
We do. It is specifically and explicitly an exception in the US Constitution:
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Well, American slavery never actually ended, we just call.it prison labor now. Segregation only really ended on paper. It’s become less prominent I guess, but it’s not gone.
Remember that some places were forced to desegregate in the 1990s.
What’s special about 1619 to be considered the start of American slavery?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamestown%2C_Virginia
In August 1619, the first recorded slaves from Africa to British North America arrived at present-day Old Point Comfort, near the Jamestown colony, on a British privateer ship flying a Dutch flag.
It was when enslaved African people were first brought to Jamestown. Exactly when the start is more broadly is kind of harder to say since some things are more disputed
The arrival of the first captives to the Jamestown Colony, in 1619, is often seen as the beginning of slavery in America—but enslaved Africans arrived in North America as early as the 1500s.
https://www.history.com/articles/american-slavery-before-jamestown-1619
It’s when England began colonizing the americas. Which is kind of arbitrary since there were slaves in the Americas before that and the founding of The United States of America was over 100 years later.
Not every white person had a house either, and if they didnt then their family ended up losing a lot of compound growth, and ended up poorer as they payed somebody elses mortgage. What really happened I think is the lack of class mobility due to the financialization of everything, due to unlimited money printing and corporate bailouts.
The average mortgage was 7 years historically and somebody saving a ton could pay it off in under 5 years, instead of the massive 30 year loans backed by the govenment we have now. Its like as we got richer and more productive we simultaneously became poorer and can barely house ourselves, as food quality got cheaper with shrinkflation and industrialization.
I really don’t where this influx of
mispellingmisspelling paid as payed over the last few years has come from, but it seems to be becoming more and more common.For what it’s worth, “payed” is a very old nautical term that means to spread tar on the deck of a ship.
I really don’t where this influx of mispelling
I really don’t either. And it’s misspelling. Cuz you know…
Hah. I looked at that word, then wrote it with a double s, looked at it again and it looked wrong, so I went back to one.
But now that I see it posted, the single s looks very wrong indeed.
D’oh.
Also, any post on the internet about someone else’s spelling mistakes will inevitably contain at least one spelling error itself, so I’m just maintaining the universal rules ;)
In your case, I suppose it’s “cuz”
Still don’t see it?
… see what?
over the last few years
There’s no way this is just in the last few years, unless you mean like 20-30 years or so (along with the rest of the common misspellings you can find on the internet versus edited printed material). Also the meaning isn’t just spreading a waterproof coating, but also to let out line or rope.
Green is incarceration and wage slavery
If you think prison is equivalent to slavery, corporate needs to to find the difference between this picture and this picture
I know people are arguing in good faith and want prison reform. However, slavery apologists have captured this argument to minimize the suffering under chattel slavery. (no worse than going to prison) They also argue that the 13th is “white slavery” because half of all prisoners are white. If your the kind of person who understands the difference between an indentured servant and an enslaved person, then you need to understand that a prisoner, even one forced to work under the 13th, is a third thing.
This is very inaccurate. Slavery is not dependent on the level of physical torture inflicted, it is entirely based on whether or not you are forced to work without “adequate” pay. Even in chattel slavery, there were different classes within the enslaved like house slaves and field slaves. Slaves in poorer houses where there were only a few often were treated better than those on plantations, it all came down to expendability.
Comparing a white man, who would be of the most privileged of those arrested, that was just taken in (this is a mugshot) and comparing it to a lifelong enslaved black man person only highlights that your presentation is heavily skewed.
You’re whitewashing how bad chattel slavery was. Slaves were separated from their spouses by sale. Slaves’ children were automatically enslaved. Slaves were legally barred from being educated. They were not allowed to testify in court, so even laws against extreme abuse could not be enforced.
I don’t think I am, which parts of my reply disputes that? Keep in mind modern prison system also forces divorce, their children way more likely to be enslaved, they are denied testifying in abuse cases, and they are denied higher education. The issue is that these are obfuscated in the current system on purpose, because almost all the abuse today well integrated into the system.
They are denied one specific grant for higher education, but they are taught for free within the prison system and can pay for outside education themselves. This is different from being barred by law from learning to read.
Your link does not say that they are denied by law from testifying in abuse cases. It just says that prison abuse happens.
Their children are more likely to end up in prison, but they are not bound by law to the prison that their parents were in.
Prisons do not force divorce.
By saying that imprisonment is literally slavery, you are absolutely minimizing the horrors of chattel slavery.
You nor I said they were prevented from being taught to read, we are talking about education. Most Americans aren’t literate fwiw, less so in imprisioned populations. They are denied a grant that allows them to access wages at or above living wage, greatly increasing the risk of them being reimprisioned. How do they pay for education if they are not adequately paid in prison, which also drains their bank accounts while in there? Most are already working poor before prison.
You didn’t read too much into the link, here is an article that summarizes it for you. What matters is whether justice for abuse cases happen, not whether or not one can testify about it. Same outcome different method.
What are you trying to say here? That there’s a substantial difference on which prison a person goes to?
Prisons force separation.
By saying that chattel slavery is the only real slavery, you are absolutely minimizing the horrors of today. I’m not saying that prison = chattel slavery, that is you trying to create a false equivalence to deny. I am saying that 5 on the slavery scale and 10 on the slavery scale are not 0 on the slavery scale.
You nor I said they were prevented from being taught to read
It was illegal to teach slaves to read. It is not illegal to teach prisoners to read. On the contrary, most prisons have adult basic education or high school equivalency programs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-literacy_laws_in_the_United_States?wprov=sfla1
By saying that chattel slavery is the only real slavery, you are absolutely minimizing the horrors of today
I never said that. I said that imprisonment is nowhere near chattel slavery, and saying that it is whitewashes how bad chattel slavery was.
And we were talking about education.
Then please go into detail about how pointing out how terrible the prison system can be actually is whitewashes chattel slavery, one day old account.
imprisonment is literally slavery
there are different kinds of slavery, and no one is saying prison slavery is exactly the same as chattle slavery, though it is more similar to chattle slavery than it is to wage slavery.
You did it again! The gap between imprisonment and chattel slavery is much larger than the gap between imprisonment and wage slavery. It’s not even close, but you’re saying the opposite.
There is no way that Elizabeth Holmes would submit to chattel slavery, but she calls imprisonment “hell,” and she is far off the mark. https://people.com/elizabeth-holmes-breaks-her-silence-in-first-interview-from-prison-it-s-been-hell-and-torture-exclusive-8789737
this is so incoherent, that i think you’re just being disagreeable. have a nice day.
Primus~ “Welp, no more slaves unless they are serving time in prison. It’s a bummer.”
Secundus~ “Well, let’s put them in prison.”
Primus~ “BRILLIANT”
Not to split hairs on moral grounds, but shouldnt it be english slavery up until at least the revolutionary war started?
While the Brits outlawed slavery around 1830s for themselves, they had no problem loading slaves onto their ships and smuggling them to the Americas for a good while after. Plus they openly supported the Confederacy throughout the Civil War to keep the cotton rolling in. And of course we don’t need to mention colonialism that lasted until after WW2 now, do we? Of course the French, Dutch, Spanish, and Germans also colonized every inch of some else’s dirt to exploit them back to the Stone Age. And there was little hesitation to kill any and all that objected the “civilizing” effect of European influence.
And slavery is ongoing even as we speak in certain parts of this world. But we do nothing and care little about that. As long as they keep it on the down low we need not be overly concerned.
Still in the Americas, I suppose?
England started ending slavery before the revolutionary war.
That’s a major reason why the founding enslavers of USA concocted their own regime, but that reality has been mostly obscured.
Weird diagram. Why are we starting at 1619 in Virginia when it would be just as fair to say 1493 in Puerto Rico (or similar when you include Florida or parts annexed from Mexico). And the end of segregation is wrong as well.
Nah you’re right it’s nonsense
