If Harris was a leader she would be out there touring like AOC. Shes not a leader. She had her shot to prove otherwise and didn’t.
I mean, if I were her I’d feel drained and devastated. Everything that happened during the election and people still picked Trump over her…
I have a hard time feeling sorry for her after leaving the left hanging and going after conservative votes. She made an incredibly poor strategic choice and it cost all of us.
Obviously she’s not the only one to blame here, conservatives deserving the majority of blame followed by people that stayed home, but she doesn’t deserve pity.
… not to mention she didn’t ask for a recount. That one was a red flag for me.
A recount requires a vote to be close, it wasn’t. Trump won every swing state. And with the margins he won by, every recount in the world would not overcome the 86 EVs she trailed by.
The election results were very close - and it was a big election, some ballots were rejected, there were bomb threats and there were also statistical anomalies. She should have asked for a recount.
Pity maybe not, but understanding definitely. If that were me ya’ll picked Trump over I’d tell all ya’ll to fuck right off while I prep a boat to Europe. Then all the people saying I should stay out of it would be bitching that I’m not participating anymore.
Exactly. If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.
Is that in the best interests of the American people? No. Is it an entirely understandable reaction? Yes.
If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.
Sending a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help was basically her campaign.
Exactly why she’s not a leader. A leader understand that you don’t have time to lick you wounds when the enemy is at your door. She should be fighting harder now, not sulking.
They cheated, and we ALL know it. If she’s upset about anything, it’s that she was cheated out of her historic legacy, and the spineless Democratic party backed HitlerPig over her.
You feel sorry for that god awful campaign?
So she should be all recovered by '28 then? /s
Usual: If you voted 3rd party or didn’t vote, you signed off on our current reality.
But you’re not wrong, and I have plenty to disagree with AOC about, but they’re all conversations for a better time; done and done.
Nah, 3rd party voters at least voted. This solely lies on the folks who didn’t vote.
No.
If she were out there touring people would tell her to shut up and sit down. She had her shot, twice, nobody wants what she’s selling.
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You’re talking to someone who was vehemently campaigning for her during the general. She didn’t fail any purity test. She failed at having a good strategy, and it was pretty obvious at the time she was making a big gamble. And I articulated this during the election, while telling all the 3rd party voters on lemmy that they were fucking morons.
Kamala is trash, simple as. She failed horrendously.
Like when she was up there giving her chatgpt, “make me sound inspirational” concession speech rather than just being mad as hell like the rest of us. She’s plays leader but she will sit in the manager cubical while the rest of us eat the company provided cold turkey in the break room the day before Thanksgiving.
Completely agree. It would have demonstrated that she would have been a good president and it would have sealed the deal for her (if there are legit elections). She didn’t step up. AOC did. Says a lot about each of them.
I can’t imagine thinking about “serving people” when majority of them turned out to be hateful idiots that frankly deserve getting their faces eaten by a leopard. Let her catch a break maybe?
The Dipshit didn’t even get the majority of people who did vote, let alone the country as a whole
Only a shock to folks who still think Democrat centerists are what’s gonna win the votes
“We want to maintain the status quo that led to the election of Trump twice!”
AOC is a progressive. Harris was too, prior to her role as VP.
A Democratic centrist literally polled at #1. It’s in the headline.
Needs a little Asterisk* next to centrist and a footnote
*still way further left than any Republican
Why is Harris even mentioned? She should disappear like Hillary.
Nobody wants this person to run again.
Anyone doing a poll would be negligent not to include the previous nominee and former vice president. That’s not to imply she’s a good choice, only that she’s an obvious choice.
Good point 👍
Harris polls in 1st place
Lemmy Leftists: “no one wants Harris!”
Y’all are in a bubble.
Harvard poll: 72% of Dem voters prefer more left-leaning candidates like Sanders and AOC over moderates like Harris.
Lemmy Leftists: Yes.
Cryophilia: Y’all are in a bubble.
Unfortunately that poll had some very loaded wording in it that doesn’t necessarily lead to the conclusion it’s trying to present
From page 20:
Do you support more Democrats like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who are calling on Democrats to adopt a more aggressive stance towards Trump and his administration and “fight harder”, or moderate Democrats who are willing to compromise on Trump issues important to their base?
72% of Democratic voters answered “yes”.
Go ahead and point out this alleged “loaded wording”.
You don’t see it?
You’re assuming that because they want more candidates to obstruct the current administration, that they would also prefer those candidates and throw actual policies in every other situation.
Because they mixed progressive and opposing the admin together in one question, you can’t tell which part is really what they’re agreeing with.
Using this specific question to claim they want more progressive candidates is futile. This is basic polling literacy stuff…
The problem is that you think people are too stupid to understand the question, and only you are smart enough to figure it out.
It’s a basic question asking if people prefer Dems like AOC and Sanders, who have a more aggressive stance against Trump, over moderate Dems who will compromise with Trump. It’s very straightforward.
Nowhere did I imply I was the only one who could understand it. What i did say was that the was this was worded could not be taken to mean the same as the stripped down version you presented.
Half of Americans read at or below a 6th grade level. This is NOT a straightforward question in the way you’re claiming. In case you haven’t been paying attention, this country is full of absolute morons who continue to vote against their own interests because of some memes on the Internet…
We’ll see how your fucking bubble turns out when the time comes. Harris couldnt even beat fucking Trump and you think she will win a primary? Batshit.
Harris couldnt even beat fucking Trump and you think she will win a primary?
These are democratic primaries we’re talking about.
She has never won a Democratic primary in her life.
The same ones shes literally already lost before? Insane.
It’s literally in the title. First place.
What an obnoxious and aggressive person. Yikes
This bro lives in a bubble with steel plating.
Nah, thats you.
A lot more people show up to listen to people like AOC. Harris is MIA.
Get out of your bubble
A crowd of 30,000 in a metropolitan area of 3 Million people. We don’t need our best to draw the biggest crowds we need them to get the most votes.
I’m fine with her running in a Primary.
Jfc here we fuckin go again. Lemme guess DNC, this will totally be an open primary right? Anyone can win?
Second place to Harris??? Holy fuck we deserve our fate.
Edit: upon reading the article (I know…) AOC has the best net favorability. So a little more hopium there.
The fact that Harris is considered as an option indicates your statement is correct.
I jumped the gun, its still bad but AOC has the best net favorability out of them all. Harris has the most support by sheer name recognition. Its bad that people don’t know who AOC is though.
The majority of the voting population answers this question based on name recognition alone. You’re way more up to speed on the options than the average American voter. We need to put energy into getting people like AOC in front of as many disengaged and unaware people as possible. NOT complain and whine that everything isn’t handed to us on a platter.
She’s in second place and we have 3 years to move her into first, that sounds worth a shot to me. But go ahead and throw your hands up in the air, tuck your tail, and say there’s nothing we can do.
We are closer than we’ve ever been in my lifetime.
The majority of the voting population answers this question based on name recognition alone.
Yeah I read the article, that headline is almost misleading in its support for Harris if anything. AOC has the best net
NOT complain and whine that everything isn’t handed to us on a platter.
She’s in second place and we have 3 years to move her into first, that sounds worth a shot to me. But go ahead and throw your hands up in the air, tuck your tail, and say there’s nothing we can do.
I shouldn’t have to educate grown adults on shit this important they ought to desire to learn on their own. They should know who the hell AOC is JFC. So I’m still disgusted, just significantly less so. And like, I’ll inevitably try to promote AOC, but I don’t owe this country shit. I want to leave, I only can’t thus far due to money/resources.
This poll is pretty pointless, as far as actually getting to know who people specifically want. The top runner this far out is pretty much always the last person to have run, because the political climate hadn’t changed that much and nobody has campaigned for the next nomination yet.
The important takeaway is that AOC, and presumably progressivism more generally, is getting more popular.
The important takeaway is that AOC, and presumably progressivism more generally, is getting more popular.
Embarrassing (for me)… upon actually reading the article, the headline is almost misleading. AOC has the highest net favorability of them all, and Harris is only past her due to name recognition.
I’m baffled how there is that many people unaware of AOC though.
That’s alright, happens to the best of us.
As for AOC’s recognition, It’s not too surprising, given that she’s a House Rep. Who hasn’t held a leadership role. I’d bet that a lot of people haven’t even heard of Hakeem jeffries, and he’s the party leader in the House. The last time a House Rep. Got elected President was in 1880, with James Garfield. As time goes on though, her notoriety is likely to keep increasing. As will her popularity, I suspect, or at least I hope.
Why on earth would you run kamala again? The democrats can’t afford to learn anymore lessons. School is out. Time to start producing.
Why on earth would you run kamala again?
democrats would nominate trump if the alternative was a progressive.
Why on earth would you run kamala again?
Because you thought watching her faceplant in 2020 was hilarious and you want a repeat.
The democratic party is cooked if it runs Kamala again. There is no way Kamala is running this high in the polls.
There are a lot of moderates that are hesitant about AOC. She’s expressed ideas like getting rid of the filibuster, which would be great while “your” party is in charge, but is one of the very few checks available for a minority party to halt truly controversial legislation. The extra steps are kind of dumb, but the foundational idea that legislation should at least require a 60/40 majority most of the time enforces an idea of compromise and representation in almost every bill.
I would shudder to think what a bad president could put through if unchecked by the opposition party in an essentially 50/50 politically divided populace.
The filibuster is also a tool the democratic party isn’t using. No point in keeping something that only helps one side.
STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT ELECTIONS!!! ELECTIONS ARE NOT HAPPENING! GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULLS THAT VOTING WILL NOT SAVE US.
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Stop with this shit. It’s 2025. This is stupid.
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Women can’t be president in America. We have a shitty culture that prevents that from happening. We keep trying, we keep failing. If you want to win, find another candidate with a dick. That’s a requirement in America. Not saying I like it. Just saying that’s reality.
If that was the case Hilary would have not won the popular vote
Bernie would have won the presidency.
Voting for Hillary was voting because I felt like I had to. Voting for Bernie felt like voting because I WANTED to. I’m sure many Americans felt the same way.
We should just have two women run for president and force the issue!
And tragically, that’s how America elected a third party candidate.
Actually this is a good chance to prove things. Most would rather vote for a woman than Trump right now. This could be a perfect moment for a woman to get in power and kick some ass.
“People need to vote Democrat to keep the country from further imploding, so we’re gonna make the candidate a woman. That way they’ll HAVE to vote for a woman and we can check that off our list!”
this is a losing strategy, you’re even considering doing it with the same loser from 2024. We lost both 2016 and 2024 by doing this exact same thing. What are you going to tell me next, that the candidate should be Jill Stein?
At least AOC is an actual good candidate, but again: woman. You’ll lose.
As much as I want AOC, she won’t win not because she’s a woman, but because she’s relatively young. We are all tired of these old, greedy, out of touch fuckers doing shit they wont have to live through the consequences of, but they get away with that shit for a reason. They aren’t old. They have experience. AOC would be presented as inexperienced.
Which is ironic given how inexperienced the current failure is having been in the white house fucking twice.
Harris was less than 2% behind, and Clinton was ahead in the popular vote. I don’t think gender was not a factor, but I also don’t think it was a major one.
Nah, women can. The Democrats just keep picking bad candidates. That’s all.
AOC is great, but probably still a bad candidate.
I would go with Taylor Swift. It’s about charisma and following, and at least some proven progressive credentials. She fits the counter-counter culture narrative perfectly.
Are you saying want taylor swift as president?
We already picked a game show host… is this actually worse? 🤷♂️ at least she’s a billionaire that pretends to care about people
I think there is some reason to believe she actually gives a shit.
Nobody becomes a billionaire without exploiting many, many, many people.
But yeah, she might also believe that she’s a good person
I agree with you, but her “exploitation” is basically using the tools capitalism handed her. The worst that could be said for her is that she might be aware of her privilege and not doing anything to give that up. But here’s the thing - what rational actor within capitalism who amasses any power would just give it all up? Benevolent intentions only get you so far, and principle rarely gets anyone anywhere in this world.
Edit: Unless it’s all bullshit, she’s probably done more good with her wealth than any other billionaire I know. Which might not be saying much, but says a lot for her candidacy as “not a complete piece of shit”. Something few ultra wealthy can claim.
We know poor people can’t get elected as well.
Yeah. Not because she’s qualified for the job, but because I think she could win it for the left. That is all.
Hillary needs to run in 2028. It is Hillary her turn. Again. This has nothing to do with them being horrible candidates. Only misogyny is responsible.
trumps not surviving another 3.5 years in office, let’s be real
Not only that, the establishment Democrat will win the primary due to the progressive vote being split over infighting among 50 different primary candidates. That’s how we ended up with Biden.
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Women can’t be president in America. We have a shitty culture that prevents that from happening. We keep trying, we keep failing.
Tried twice with two exceptionally shitty candidates. Blaming Hillary and Harris’s losses on their sex is a massive cop-out. Trump should have been destroyed in every election he ran in, but the only time he lost was with the weight of a worldwide pandemic working against him, and even then, he wasn’t exactly blown out of the water.
A woman can definitely be president in America. But as long as people like you blame the losses on that, the actual reasons these candidates are losing will never be fixed.
It’s time to take some accountability.
It’s possible, but Trump would have to fuck up really bad over and over and over again right before election day and have dementia so bad he couldn’t even say his name anymore and the race between a woman and Trump’s 3rd term would still be close
I’d like to think it’s close because the republicans purged the rolls of most democrats, but it’s probably just the misogyny
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Welcome to American politics, when the 2028 election begins in 2024 and the 2028 primary began in 2020.
I’m so tired.
yeah, zero interest in supporting kamala “keep arming isreal” fucking harris again.
Yeah Trump was definitely better choice for this. Thank God we got Trump eh
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We should just vote 3rd party instead LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Pushing the progressives to ditch the DNC. Then start their own party or lead another would have been a much better plan.
Running Harris was a mistake in 2024 and it would be a mistake if it happens in 2028
Wasn’t Harris their only option since Biden took so long to drop out?
She was the only one that could legally access campaign funds since there was no time for a primary.
It was either going to be him or her and both options were far from ideal.
Not quite, the DNC was still ahead. But democrats didn’t want the optics of a last-minute open primary where the candidates rip into each other trying to get the nomination on live TV. Plus Kamala herself seemed to move quickly and wanted the nomination before anyone had a chance to get a word in.
I’d vote for AOC over Kamala, 100%.
I mean, I still voted for Kamala, but I wasn’t excited about it.
So the “democrats” have no incentive to improve in your case
You’ll just vote whoever they choose on the ballot
Yes. If that vote helps at all in preventing something like Trump happening again.
You guys still think there will be free elections in 2028?
Yes. I do expect that. Your pansy lay down and die attitude might allow Trump to have a third term though.
Yeah okay pack it in boys, we’re screwed lol.
Why even bother to run a primary at this point? Just let the DNC select their candidate so we can skip out on the 6 months of sham and shilling.
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Also told all yall we need progressives to split from DNC and form a fresh 3rd party bruh.
On the bright side, if the DNC runs Kamala or Shapiro maybe itll leave rank and file democrats hungry for some other alternative to the garbage candidates forced down their throats.
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