A poll looking 3 years ahead is about as accurate as an astrological chart (and just to be clear, those are worthless).
Is this wise? As an outside observer I had the impression that Harris lost in part because of systematic, subtle and overt racism and sexism. All this applies to AOC, too. Do the Democrats want to lose? Don’t they have some sort of JFK look-alike, people actually want to vote? It’s not as if appearance wasn’t way more important in the US than things like the actual political agenda.
As another outside observer I’d disagree that was the reason she lost. Yeah there’s racism and sexism issues in the US, but in the last US election both AOC and Bernie got a lot of votes to elect them as senators on the senator ballot from people who also voted Trump on the presidential ballot.
AOC and Bernie did some polls on social media asking these people why they voted for both them and Trump. The responses were typically like “you’re not part of the political elite” and “you say it how it is” and “you seem like you genuinely care about Americans”.
IMO, Karmala is considered too close to the democratic political establishment and that the American public is desperately craving some more (mostly economically) progressive politics which AOC and Bernie have been talking about for years.
If the DNC run Karmala in 2028 then the Trump administration will project it as “Biden, Harris, and the elites want to be president forever, so why not pick me instead”.
honest question: I am out of the loop. Why the sudden hate against kamala harris? I come from a country without a two party system, so we criticize everybody all the time.
Because the media is owned by people who never want the Democrats to regain power.
Is there even going to be another election?
I’d vote for AOC over Kamala, 100%.
I mean, I still voted for Kamala, but I wasn’t excited about it.
Defeatists ignoring the number of people attending her rallies recently.
If you think in terms of “lanes” AOC is the only left wing potential candidate on there, 21% support is actually not persuasive in her odds to actually be the candidate.
I feel very good about her chances to run the Bernie playbook and end with a top 3 amount of delegates but in an actual primary the lanes would clear up as people drop out and it is hard to see her consolidating support from like, Gavin Newsome.
Welcome to American politics, when the 2028 election begins in 2024 and the 2028 primary began in 2020.
I’m so tired.
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Stop with this shit. It’s 2025. This is stupid.
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Women can’t be president in America. We have a shitty culture that prevents that from happening. We keep trying, we keep failing. If you want to win, find another candidate with a dick. That’s a requirement in America. Not saying I like it. Just saying that’s reality.
Women can’t be president in America.
A Catholic can’t be president in America. Until one was.
A Black man can’t be president in America. Until one was.
Not saying I like it. Just saying that’s reality.
No, just precedent. Nothing you say is like the laws of physics, more a rule of thumb.
Harris was less than 2% behind, and Clinton was ahead in the popular vote. I don’t think gender was not a factor, but I also don’t think it was a major one.
Nah, women can. The Democrats just keep picking bad candidates. That’s all.
AOC is great, but probably still a bad candidate.
I would go with Taylor Swift. It’s about charisma and following, and at least some proven progressive credentials. She fits the counter-counter culture narrative perfectly.
It’s possible, but Trump would have to fuck up really bad over and over and over again right before election day and have dementia so bad he couldn’t even say his name anymore and the race between a woman and Trump’s 3rd term would still be close
I’d like to think it’s close because the republicans purged the rolls of most democrats, but it’s probably just the misogyny
Actually this is a good chance to prove things. Most would rather vote for a woman than Trump right now. This could be a perfect moment for a woman to get in power and kick some ass.
“People need to vote Democrat to keep the country from further imploding, so we’re gonna make the candidate a woman. That way they’ll HAVE to vote for a woman and we can check that off our list!”
this is a losing strategy, you’re even considering doing it with the same loser from 2024. We lost both 2016 and 2024 by doing this exact same thing. What are you going to tell me next, that the candidate should be Jill Stein?
At least AOC is an actual good candidate, but again: woman. You’ll lose.
As much as I want AOC, she won’t win not because she’s a woman, but because she’s relatively young. We are all tired of these old, greedy, out of touch fuckers doing shit they wont have to live through the consequences of, but they get away with that shit for a reason. They aren’t old. They have experience. AOC would be presented as inexperienced.
Which is ironic given how inexperienced the current failure is having been in the white house fucking twice.
If that was the case Hilary would have not won the popular vote
Bernie would have won the presidency.
Voting for Hillary was voting because I felt like I had to. Voting for Bernie felt like voting because I WANTED to. I’m sure many Americans felt the same way.
We should just have two women run for president and force the issue!
And tragically, that’s how America elected a third party candidate.
Not only that, the establishment Democrat will win the primary due to the progressive vote being split over infighting among 50 different primary candidates. That’s how we ended up with Biden.
trumps not surviving another 3.5 years in office, let’s be real
Hillary needs to run in 2028. It is Hillary her turn. Again. This has nothing to do with them being horrible candidates. Only misogyny is responsible.
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yeah, zero interest in supporting kamala “keep arming isreal” fucking harris again.
Yeah Trump was definitely better choice for this. Thank God we got Trump eh
We should just vote 3rd party instead LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Pushing the progressives to ditch the DNC. Then start their own party or lead another would have been a much better plan.
Second place to Harris??? Holy fuck we deserve our fate.
Edit: upon reading the article (I know…) AOC has the best net favorability. So a little more hopium there.
The majority of the voting population answers this question based on name recognition alone. You’re way more up to speed on the options than the average American voter. We need to put energy into getting people like AOC in front of as many disengaged and unaware people as possible. NOT complain and whine that everything isn’t handed to us on a platter.
She’s in second place and we have 3 years to move her into first, that sounds worth a shot to me. But go ahead and throw your hands up in the air, tuck your tail, and say there’s nothing we can do.
We are closer than we’ve ever been in my lifetime.
The majority of the voting population answers this question based on name recognition alone.
Yeah I read the article, that headline is almost misleading in its support for Harris if anything. AOC has the best net
NOT complain and whine that everything isn’t handed to us on a platter.
She’s in second place and we have 3 years to move her into first, that sounds worth a shot to me. But go ahead and throw your hands up in the air, tuck your tail, and say there’s nothing we can do.
I shouldn’t have to educate grown adults on shit this important they ought to desire to learn on their own. They should know who the hell AOC is JFC. So I’m still disgusted, just significantly less so. And like, I’ll inevitably try to promote AOC, but I don’t owe this country shit. I want to leave, I only can’t thus far due to money/resources.
The fact that Harris is considered as an option indicates your statement is correct.
I jumped the gun, its still bad but AOC has the best net favorability out of them all. Harris has the most support by sheer name recognition. Its bad that people don’t know who AOC is though.
This poll is pretty pointless, as far as actually getting to know who people specifically want. The top runner this far out is pretty much always the last person to have run, because the political climate hadn’t changed that much and nobody has campaigned for the next nomination yet.
The important takeaway is that AOC, and presumably progressivism more generally, is getting more popular.
The important takeaway is that AOC, and presumably progressivism more generally, is getting more popular.
Embarrassing (for me)… upon actually reading the article, the headline is almost misleading. AOC has the highest net favorability of them all, and Harris is only past her due to name recognition.
I’m baffled how there is that many people unaware of AOC though.
That’s alright, happens to the best of us.
As for AOC’s recognition, It’s not too surprising, given that she’s a House Rep. Who hasn’t held a leadership role. I’d bet that a lot of people haven’t even heard of Hakeem jeffries, and he’s the party leader in the House. The last time a House Rep. Got elected President was in 1880, with James Garfield. As time goes on though, her notoriety is likely to keep increasing. As will her popularity, I suspect, or at least I hope.
Yeah okay pack it in boys, we’re screwed lol.
Why even bother to run a primary at this point? Just let the DNC select their candidate so we can skip out on the 6 months of sham and shilling.
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Also told all yall we need progressives to split from DNC and form a fresh 3rd party bruh.
On the bright side, if the DNC runs Kamala or Shapiro maybe itll leave rank and file democrats hungry for some other alternative to the garbage candidates forced down their throats.
Jfc here we fuckin go again. Lemme guess DNC, this will totally be an open primary right? Anyone can win?
The democratic party is cooked if it runs Kamala again. There is no way Kamala is running this high in the polls.
There are a lot of moderates that are hesitant about AOC. She’s expressed ideas like getting rid of the filibuster, which would be great while “your” party is in charge, but is one of the very few checks available for a minority party to halt truly controversial legislation. The extra steps are kind of dumb, but the foundational idea that legislation should at least require a 60/40 majority most of the time enforces an idea of compromise and representation in almost every bill.
I would shudder to think what a bad president could put through if unchecked by the opposition party in an essentially 50/50 politically divided populace.
The filibuster is also a tool the democratic party isn’t using. No point in keeping something that only helps one side.
STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT ELECTIONS!!! ELECTIONS ARE NOT HAPPENING! GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULLS THAT VOTING WILL NOT SAVE US.
You guys still think there will be free elections in 2028?
Yes. I do expect that. Your pansy lay down and die attitude might allow Trump to have a third term though.
