It’s odd. when democrats were pulling out all the stops to prop up coathanger cuellar, the reason given was that a progressive can’t win in texas.

cuellar just voted with republicans to disenfranchise millions. Like a good centrist, he aspires to capitulate to republicans’ slightest whim.

What he’s used to is others buckling when he throws his weight around.

he is used to domestic politics, yes.

The message they’re sending here is that you can stay in the country if you avoid paying taxes.

Bigots are too big a percentage of your population to ignore

Pretend I’m one of the bigots you dearly love and listen to me.

Bigots only vote for the bigger bigot. If you want to beat nazis by appealing to bigots, you have to be worse than your opponent. You don’t beat nazis by chasing them to the right.

If someone out there hates trans people, you don’t beat them by surrendering trans people to them. That doesn’t convince the bigots, but trans people and their allies notice. All you did is throw away your credibility for nothing. Pick any minority you are willing to abandon for the bigots you prefer in all cases. If you break solidarity with your base, you have no solidarity with your base. Even if you do it one demographic at a time.

Where bigots are welcome, no one else is.

Please don’t run anoyher centrist.

I don’t have a say in the matter. I’m not one of the republican bigots we have to abandon every last principle to appeal to.

Run someone leaning as far to the left as possible, while also being able to actually win.

Which is interpreted in all cases by the useless and complicit democratic party as “run another centrist and lie about how progressive they aren’t.”

it is like you people hear what you want to hear. I am in no way saying run with right leaning policies.

Yes, you are. You’re just too removed from american politics to realize it.

I am saying you need to present your politics in a way that your bigoted countrymen can follow.

Always have to appeal the bigots all centrists want the approval of. Because appealing to anyone but bigots at this point is a move to the left. centrists would rather have us all dead in camps than move to the left.

Moving to the left has always been just this thing we will do in the nebulous future and NEVER FUCKING DO. You may be happy with that, but that’s because you don’t have to live here.

Luckily we’ve already had a complete turn over of leadership and they’re a lot more progressive this time.

That remains to be seen.

Because he’s distancing himself from her politically

I can see wanting to distance yourself from a failed campaign. Wonder why harris didn’t.

Not yet tho, now is not the time to push for ideals

This sentence is how we got here.

now is the time to BEAT THE NAZIS!

By having no ideals!

run who ever the fuck can actually get them out of office.

this reads like “run another dull centrist again. Regardless of whether they can win. Again. We can always blame the left when we earn another loss. Again.”

You are advocating for a lack of policy and just running as “well, at least we’re second worst to the nazis. For now. And by as narrow a margin as we think we can get away with.”

Again.

That loses.

Your country is going down the shitter, and your entire left wing is convinced that doing the same old thing will be better the next time.

The same old thing is a boring centrist.

Leftism isn’t all about skin color, sexuality and gender. It’s about a living wage, affordable housing, free education for everyone, free healthcare, it’s getting money out of politics, and most of all its about making those rich fuckers pay their fair share.

And AOC is the most likely candidate that typifies those positions. Hence why the party is willing to shut out all women just to stop her personally.

i am not saying to suppress her policies,

Uh huh.

Right. Exclude women because the most popular progressive is a woman and absolutely no other reason.

If you honestly believe that the only reason Americans didn’t vote for Harris was that she was too moderate, i don’t know what to tell you man, that sounds almost utopic in my ears, but i just don’t trust you people that much.

Yeah, I get it. You think we’re all sexists and therefore you dictate that women shouldn’t be allowed to run for president.

But your people have proven again and again to be bigots

By not wanting to vote for centrists.

Or are you saying it is impossible to find a leftists old white man?

I’m saying it’s impossible to find a progressive without a convenient excuse popping up for why they can’t run.

How convenient that the answer is always to run a centrist.

So whats important here, do you want their votes and be able to kick the PayPal Mafia out of the oval office, or do you care more about signalling to America that women can do it too?

That’s a false choice, as well as a misrepresentation of everything I’ve said.

If women are as incapable of winning as centrists suddenly and conveniently believe they are the instant someone brings up AOC, then you have nothing to worry about. If she can’t win the general, she definitely won’t be able to get through the primaries. democratic party leadership can’t fuck with the general election like they can with primaries.

Its time to choose your enemies.

Mine are to my right. Are yours?

And god bless him for it. If Tim Walz can win in 2028, great.

That’s no reason to hold back all women in order to hold back AOC. We have primaries for a reason (when we have primaries.) If AOC can overcome democrats’ shady bullshit meant to keep progressives out, she absolutely can win. Anyone who would never vote for AOC wasn’t going to vote for Walz, either. Unless you’re saying that centrist democrats would rather vote for fascism or stay home than vote for a progressive, for all their talk of “no matter who.”

You have 50mil eligible voters who haven’t even registered. You have another 40 million registered voters that didn’t bother to show.

Yes, voter apathy is a problem. Running uninspiring candidates isn’t going to fix apathy; it will make apathy much worse.

I agree with you that AOC is the best bet America has for a better future. But the important thing is not getting the best outcome, the important thing is actually beating the Nazis.

Ain’t seein’ much evidence of anyone else actually willing to oppose nazis in any way.

Are you willing to bet the future of the free world that you are right?

The last 3 elections have been against trump. We ran dull “not trump, I guess” candidates in all three. Biden only barely squeaked in and then spent four years demonstrating that democrats don’t keep their promises to anyone not named netanyahu.

If you have a more charismatic candidate than AOC, a white (conservative, naturally, since that’s all this is really about) male, name him.

How is it sudden?

Because there’s speculation that AOC might run.

Trump won both times you tried running women as president.

Trump won both times we ran uninspiring centrist women for president. AOC is neither uninspiring nor centrist.

Your fellow countrymen are bigots, have you not noticed that yet?

The ones you want to impress certainly are.

AOC is having a fucking moment, so naturally women of color suddenly can’t win. Sanders got raked over the coals for just being accused of saying something like that to Warren. But it’s sure different now that the party can’t use it as a weapon against a progressive. Now they’re trying to keep AOC from running. So the party will hold back all women in order to hold back one progressive woman.

Let AOC become Senate majority leader first. That would be really cool, impactful, and help people get used to her.

It will give us time to think of a new excuse.

His big worry is re-election, not the people this will hurt.

I’m glad to see that people here aren’t reveling in looming economic disaster just because it might mean that their team gets to be in power.