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im further left than whoever made this, so dont take it the wrong way but this is a fucking stupid meme. Surely the libs can do better than this… whatever this is… right? Like… this is some boomer-tier stuff
See that’s my only problem with other people on the left… Conservatives will always support other conservatives. They’ll vote for them regardless.
Liberals, Progressives, leftists, they’ll kneecap other without hesitation because they can’t stand simple progress. They want radical change. And if you can’t provide that, then they won’t vote, they won’t support anyone, they’ll talk absolute shit about candidates, ideas, etc.
God forbid anyone tries to sell progressivism to the public… You can always guarantee a leftist will come out of the fucking woodworks to poo poo on it because it’s just not left enough for them. Assholes.
Liberals are not on the same end of the political spectrum as leftists. That is why leftists don’t like dealing with them or joining forces with them. Because 9 times out of 10, on issues leftists care about, liberals will side with the right wing.
Bullshit.
Liberals are not anti-capitalist Capitalism is on the right. Liberals are on the right. It really is that simple.
The fundamental difference between the left and right is and has always been preservation of the current form of political economy (the right) vs progression to new form of political economy (the left). During the days of feudalism the right wanted to preserve feudalism and was represented by the landed aristocracy while the left was represented primarily by bourgeois revolutionaries pushing for a capitalist system. Today those bourgeois are on the right because they are trying to preserve the current system that sustains them while communists and anarchist are on the left because they recognize that this system does not work for them and are trying to build a new one. Liberals stand in the way of that and are therefore on the right
Okay Vladimir.
Look, it’s super-simple: Liberals want to tax the rich, Healthcare for all, Environmental protections, and publicly funded Education.
You can say that’s impossible because of worker oppression or whatever but that’s simply not the case. It’s a matter of enough people voting for officeholders who will do the work to implement those things.
Your socialist language is a pitfall and a barrier to practical, actual change.
Taxing the rich, healthcare for all, environmental protections, and publicly funded education are not socialism. They are things that socialism and socialists value sure but they are not socialism. Socialism is an organization of production. Who do I vote for if I want to own the means of production in common? How would a politician ever get elected on that platform and survive? Are you actually suggestion that we can vote business owners out of existence and they’d just roll over and let it happen? You say we just have to vote for the right people but the right people aren’t allowed on the ballot.
If you got the vast majority of votes, yes. Technically.
But more to the point, as you’ll probably get asked in one of the first public appearances, what’s the plan to completely remake the economy? I mean, immediately switch to bartering? Capturing the 1% wealth and everyone gets a big check?
Also, can’t the workers own the means of production, like, now?
I mean liberals think they are until an issue that actually matters arises. Having enough decency to not think minorities should be killed off doesn’t make you a leftist automatically. Thinking the world shouldn’t be run as a Christian fascist autocracy doesn’t by itself make you a leftist. And you can’t just have those two insanely low bars in common with leftists and then be confused when they won’t side with you every election without question.
What the hell are you talking about.
Is this one of those things where you’re mad at/about the Bolsheviks again or something? Are we gonna lose our chains again?
lol say whatever intentionally ignorant crap you want but the upvotes/downvotes agree with me. Until liberals understand that they’re not going to be able to functionally ally with leftists.
Downvotes from “AngryCommieKender” and “10OhmResistor”? Lol yeah you’ve got a huge plurality of the fourteen votes proving your point.
Leftists are pants-wetting screaming babies who can’t be arsed to do the simplest thing to help get us out of this insane chaos they helped get us into.
I disagree entirely with the Democratic strategy to reach out to “moderates” for votes, but I sure as shit understand it. Why bother moving left if leftists are arrogant self-absorbed navel-gazing buttmunchers that can’t get their shit together to run ONE fucking candidate for ONE office much less form a national political party that can gather 5000 signatures.
Please. If you want to pretend Communism as practiced by the Soviets is super cool, great - just stay out of real discussions about politics.
This is false. And no I won’t humor your endless arguing about it.
Liberals, Progressives, leftists, they’ll kneecap other without hesitation because they can’t stand simple progress. They want radical change.
Agreed 100%. And I’d expand it further (and more impactfully) many moderates would rather let the country delve into fascism than the mystery box of progressivism that (in their mind) might eventually lead to fascism or higher taxes when they finally become a billionaire.
Moderates and progressives need to agree on a candidate (primary), then both sides need to support them.
We agreed on a candidate. (Bernie)
And the Dems decided to railroad the other candidate through anyway. It makes absolutely perfect sense why progressives think liberals are full of shit.
Hell, Dems are fighting harder against Mamdani right now than they are against Donald, a literal fascist president.
We agreed on a candidate. (Bernie)
You forgot to tell the voters in these yellow states.
Your last point isn’t correct. You can find people like that on any side of the political spectrum.
Regarding the first and second part, it can be simply due to Conservatives all being in a cult while being uneducated, while Liberals/Progressives/Leftists are mostly all educated and tend to have their own opinions.
You kinda just proved the bro’s point by bitching and moaning about the details and ignoring the substance.
I don’t think so. I’ve nearly just pointed out some lies and inconsistencies in his logic. I also agree that Liberals will never unify and keep fighting each other. But the way he phrased his point was that Conservatives had their shit together and Liberals don’t. The truth is neither have their shit together, but for different reasons.
Bro had a Reddit ahh comment and I had to reply
Did liberals unify in 2020?
It’s talking passed eachother. Something any of us can do. No one here should have a problem with what’s in the meme. Liberal in general conversation is a good thing. Everyone wants liberal amounts of freedom. Or liberal amounts of butter on their toast. Etc Etc Etc.
The average person is so ignorant they don’t have an understanding of any political structures to have anything of value to say. So most don’t. It was never intended as liberal as in economic liberal, or neoliberal both basically meaning capitalists. Chances are they all have similar gripes to us about capitalists. But simply have no understanding of how to voice it in an educated way. And this sort of behavior certainly isn’t going to fix that.
As anarchist I would have plenty of places I might disagree with someone who would self describe as liberal. But I know we have far more places we might agree. That neither of us identify with elected officials. That we both feel trapped in this system. That we both want it to be more answerable and representative. We might disagree on how and how much. But we’d both benefit working together against the system. And in the interaction. Perhaps they learn something new and become a proper new ally.
Conservatives will always support other conservatives
. . . So what’s a “RHINO”?
Rightists turn on each other for purity tests all the time. Especially amongst the racist ones.
They keep each other in line but they don’t ‘cancel’ each other. A lot of it is just plausible deniability really.
You’ve seen that acronym so rarely that you spelled it wrong.
I don’t consider anti-liberal and Tankies as left like at all. Hexbear and ML literally supported Trump ffs.
I don’t know if that’s what it means though. I took it as the normal things everyone is taught in childhood, that conservatives agree with teaching, is now thought if as “left”
“Well I went to middle school also guns bad”
Then there was scouting……
- service to others
- cleaning up nature areas
- recycling drives
And this was in the 1970s, so I don’t know what happened to the world since, especially with environmental awareness and action.
My experience as a Cub Scout in the 1970s (I never made it to Boy Scouts) was that we would give a few minutes of half-assed effort towards some activity like making clay roses or construction paper houses, and then we’d go outside and play “Smear the Queer” the rest of the afternoon. This game is inconceivable in today’s world, not just because of the horribly inappropriate name but also because it was just mob violence for little boys. One kid would pick up the football and run around while everyone else tried to slam them into the ground, at which point some other kid would pick up the football and run around with it. I guess I was smarter than everybody else because it soon occurred to me that picking up the football was a really dumb idea.
I did spend a lot of time volunteering at the local recycling center, though. My parents (slightly older hippies) were so proud of me, but they didn’t realize I did it because of all the porn magazines we found. Like, I literally had a closet filled with duplicate copies of Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler and Oui.
People still love football and rough housing. Boys still wrestle and tackle each other all the time. I don’t know if they call it smear the queer anymore, but frankly we never called it smear the queer in front of adults, so I dunno
I think even more boys are lifting these days than back then, but I have no concrete evidence beyond the boys I’ve met.
I do feel sad about how easy porn is to procure now. It used to be something special to have a magazine and be able to share it with friends. There’s a comedian who talks about “porn in the woods” and like, I remember porn in the woods. It was the little free library of teenage boys before hipsters started making little free libraries. Knowing where it was stashed was a big deal. You couldn’t let that info fall into the wrong hands, and adding to the collection was like being in the club; A real pillar of the community. Depending on the story of how you got it, it could even make you a hero
I hope there’s something out there that’s taken it’s place in boy society
It’s even simpler, “empathy” should do it. Conservatives also care a great deal about gay rights, abortion access, government safety nets… as soon as it affects them personally.
You wanna know a sure fire way to know that your dumb as all fuck? Believe that theres only ever 2 sides to any story or conflict. And that what you believe, the other side believes the polar opposite.
The amount of Americans who dont know that the Muslims and Christians worship the same god, is staggering. The God of Abraham, the same god. You wanna know who says its not the same god? Evangelicals and Muslim terrorists. Isnt that funny? But heres the thing, not all Christians are evangelical. And not all republicans are Christian. And not all democrats are atheists. Both conservatives and liberals can and often do share views on women reproductive rights, gun safety, science, and whole host of other topics.
But for some reason, team sports mentality rules. Being conservative means you support everything that the very worst conservative supports. And being liberal means you support whatever the very worst liberal supports. Which, I should point out, is “minor loving persons”… So maybe, next time youre ready to grab your pitchfork and judge a group by its worst member, maybe take a look around and see who’s in your gang first. And then ask if its fair that without evidence, you get tarred with that same brush…
This has got to be bait. Put the crack pipe down brother.
It is bait. Im baiting you to not be a moron.
Take it, take the bait. Go on. Take it.
For me its summed up by writer Pearl Buck:
“Our society must make it right and possible for old people not to fear the young or be deserted by them, for the test of a civilization is the way that it cares for its helpless members.”
I didn’t like the way they treated Clinton and everything the conservatives have done since then has made it worse.
Clinton was absolutely guilty of perjury/contempt of Congress and should have been successfully impeached. Maybe if he had been instead of selling everyone on “durr it was just a blowjob” it would be easier to hold presidents accountable today.
Clinton was specifically not guilty of perjury. A lawyer and attorney general (like Clinton) knows how not to do that.
Clinton was very conservative himself.
“Liberal” without either putting “Social” or “Economic” in front of it, is a meaningless term.
It’s not a meaningless term for the people who use it as a pejorative. For them, it encompasses everything they hate, however nebulous that set of things may be.
Nah, for me it’s meaning is a very specific group of right wingers. I also hate every other type of right winger too, so it’s only encompassing one portion of my hate.
Hate towards social liberals by lefties seems like a really successful astroturf perpetrated by the right.
Two groups who should very much be allies are not and it feels like it’s by design
I mean, Webster’s disagrees with you.
OP’s also liberal because supporting genocide isn’t a disqualifier for the presidency.
… and that’s why I joined ICE.
(Seriously, why is the image some guy wearing a face mask?)
Looks like it’s just standard cold weather gear. Looks like he may be hiking/ skiing/ backpacking in cold weather.
But, why choose that image to go with that text?
Must be on his way to kidnap a yeti
I want to tell some of our friends this. Liberal doesn’t mean what they think it means. They can keep trying with “libs” and “shitlibs” and “lib cucks” or what ever Rush Limbaughisms, but they’ll never make any practical progress. Presuming that’s what they want and they’re not just Macedonian troll farm drones.
Actually doing the work of an elected office is difficult and boring, and compromise is going to be in there. It’s just how humans work together. Some leftist commenters are either lying or completely outside that reality.
