Much as I love spicy foods/hot sauce, this weapons grade shit is just silly.
I once signed a waiver to purchase a spicy chicken sandwich and will never do so again.
I had the same sandwich (Dave’s Hot Chicken reaper sandwich). I assumed it was just a marketing stunt. After one bite I had to go back and get a milkshake so I could sip it between bites to finish the damn sandwich.
Oh was it made with Dave’s Hot Sauce? I had a customer bring in his own Ultimate Insanity hot sauce to use in a Prairie Fire shot (tequila+hot sauce). Shit looked ROUGH. He let me keep the hot sauce after though and it became one of my partner’s favourites.
alcohol an capsaicin hits hard. the alcohol acts as a surfactant and your throat just gets obliterated. even vodka+tabasco can be pretty rough.
Yeah it’s totally a mistake.
I bought some stupid hot sauces out of curiosity a few years ago (last dab kind of sauces, they are fairly hot but still edible) but was not prepared for the heat. I tried some milk and bread and whatever and it didn’t help clear my mouth. It was on my tongue and my lips and I wanted it OFF.
So having watched some of the “plutonium” hot sauce videos I put my obviously very big brain to work. In some of those videos, capsaicin crystals are dissolved in alcohol. I thought to myself, “alcohol dissolves capsaicin, my mouth is hot from capsaicin, I have an idea”. It was not a good idea.
I swished and swallowed a shot of vodka.
As you say, it really helped the spicy coat my ENTIRE mouth and top of my throat. If you have never had spicy pain in between your teeth and coating your entire gumline, it is really something else. 2/10 would not recommend.
In any event, a lesson was learned that day that I doubt I will forget.
I took a shot of everclear one time and felt my throat close up immediately. I couldn’t breath and felt panic for what felt like 2 minutes but was actually just 10 seconds. I imagine adding hot sauce would have ended me.
A guy after my own heart. Do you like vinegar based hot sauces? If not, which sauces do you go for? I’ve struggled for years to find decent sauces and have only found Melinda’s and my own sauces to tolerate.
Vinegar tends to be too forward. I go for the stuff you’ll find in a Mexican market or “ethnic” aisle of a grocery store. Peppers being an ingredient higher than most others beyond water catch my eye. Melinda’s is alright, though I’ve seen them branch out quite a bit from their more humble beginnings.
I have an international market right by my place, so it never struck me to go to a Mexican shop. Hope they have some good stuff!
Ah, a fellow Melinda’s enjoyer! I love they’re Ghost Pepper sauce in particular (though it’s fairly mild for a Ghost Pepper sauce). My only complaint with Melinda’s, is that they consistently use too much carrot in their sauces. But otherwise they’re really great!
I’m really not picky about the sweetness. As long as it’s got a little kick and doesn’t taste like a shot of vinegar, I’m happy. I usually go for the habanero, but it’s getting to be a bit pepperminty, so I might jump ship for one of the other brands mentioned here.
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I’m not eating any food that advertises what it will do to your asshole. We’re adults here, you can just say it’s hot. You don’t have to say “We are very proud of the way our product will absolutely Sept 11th the hole you shit from.” It’s not necessary to bring my asshole into this.
well 9/11 was an inside job
Ok but what about a soothing breeze anus chocolate bar?
Do I eat it or just shove it right up there?
Might be more of a Deepwater Horizon situation?
I never understood sweets with spiciness added. It just ruins the whole experience for me. Spicy on savoury foods is fine but not on primarily sweet ones.
I dunno. I like my chili flavoured candy.
Beside, wasn’t chocolate traditionally eaten with chili by the natives? Or was it a spicy coco drink…?
Chocolate isn’t sweet, it’s bitter. You have to add a lot of sugar to get the sweet chocolate we’re familiar with. The Mayan and Aztec versions of hot chocolate were more like a spicy coffee than the sweet drink we have now.
There’s a coffee roaster near me, Republica Coffee Roasters, that has an Aztec hot chocolate/mocha on the menu. And is a spicy version of those. It’s not my favourite coffee place, but I really like the spicyness if those drinks… Damn think I might go get one now that I’m thinking about it and it’s raining today
A lot of Asian foods are spicy/sweet; it is great.
Yeah but are they spicy sweets/desserts?
No, plenty of main dishes are spicy/sweet.
There also desserts and sweets that are spicy/sweet. There are some snacks that are essentially sweetened spicy fish…
I know main dishes are spicy sweet. I just said I dont like sweet desserts and candy and similar.
You didn’t clearly define desserts/candy in your first comment.
While I understood what you meant, it wasn’t that clear in a broader perspective. English eh? So easy to misunderstand each other
Yeah the main comment is not as clear but the first reply to absGeekNZ is clear enough I think.
They also addressed that comment and answered it directly in response to desserts. Which you did not engage with.
Agree with slight exception: Pineapple, Jalapeno, Pepperoni on pizza. Just the right amount of sweet, spicy, and salty on the savory base. Shit slaps.
Add goat cheese to that and it’s the best pizza
That could work. But it is as I said not primarily meant tobe sweet.
Sweetness increases your tolerance for heat. The Scoville unit basically tells you how much sugar water it takes to mask the spiciness.
What?
Scoville is exactly how much water it takes to neutralize the capsaicin until you can’t detect it.
Which as different people have different tolerance it’s really not a precise method, and prone to mixed results for individuals.
It has nothing to do with sugar. Most people find sugar intensifies capsaicin
In Scoville’s method, an exact weight of dried pepper is dissolved in alcohol to extract the heat components (capsinoids), then diluted in a solution of sugar water. Decreasing concentrations of the extracted capsinoids are given to a panel of five trained tasters, until a majority (at least three) can no longer detect the heat in a dilution. The heat level is based on this dilution, rated in multiples of 100 SHU.
Apologies, it seems that I am in fact mistaken.
You are right about the subjectivity of the scale, though. The American Spice Trade Association has an objective test using high performance liquid chromatography. They have graciously provided the data to the public free of charge… just kidding you have to be member (starts at $2,500/yr).
This variety is for the challenge of it, not the enjoyment of eating it.
Well this one is but many are not.
Honestly, thst is very subjective. I love tamarind and pepper candy, vanilla ice cream with spicy chips, and honey plus roasted chillies marinade for pork.
And I say this as someone who is not into spicy food, there are a few combinations out there, where the sweet and spicy mix actually work great for a snack.
Good for you.
I do like spicy food in fact but spicy sweets were always offputing to me.
So weird, Right? I get the same with Ketchup, for some reason, it just tastes off-putting and disgusting to me, like vinegar and sugar, with a bit weird chemical aftertaste and maybe a hit of tomato, lol.
I see people coating their hot dogs and fries with that and just think “Ew, but to each, their own”
Ayoo ketchup haters unite.
I also just cannot stand ketchup
iirc mice don’t have the same response to capsaicin as humans - they can taste it, and don’t particularly like the taste, but it doesn’t cause them pain like it does in humans.
I’m sure birds are immune as well as Steve-O, can’t say for sure of rodents.
From a tiny amount of reading (and a complete lack of a biology degree…) it’s that the rodent taste buds just react differently to the capsaicin, so it doesn’t hit the sodium channels in the pain receptor ‘stack’ in the same way as it does in humans. It’s not the total lack of reaction like you get with birds or some ungulates.
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I think.As a self proclaimed “marine biologist,” I can neither confirm nor deny.
This is interesting. A popular squirrel deterrent for bird feeders is to put spicy stuff on the seed. I’ve been trying that lately and the squirrels have completely left my bird feeder alone. So there must be something rodents don’t like — unless squirrels are just built different?
Squirrels just need to nut up.
I assume so. I have had critters gorging on my ghosts and reapers in the garden. Losing an entire plant overnight was the last straw so I have webbing up now, but they were clearly unaffected.
By this researcher they do feel the “pain” from it:
Am I just missing where they claim that? From the conclusion:
Altering the palatability of this feed to rodents through the addition of capsaicin may greatly enhance traditional methods of increasing poison bait acceptance on poultry operations
That they avoid the taste has nothing inherently to do with the ‘pain’ experienced as a result of consuming it - in the preceding section they discuss other strategies to increase bait acceptance, including adding rodenticide to preferred bait foods. That rodents have taste preferences isn’t really in question, that they have a pain response to consuming capsaicin is.
here is test that uses pain caused by capsicin to test local anesthesia:
orofacial capsaicin test in rats
Does this prove that capsicium causes pain?
Edit some more research regarding the rodents:
Tree shrews can tolerate hot peppers:
Changes in TRPV1-Mediated Physiological Function in Rats Systemically Treated With Capsaicin on the NeonateThe question was never if subcutaneous injections of capsaicin produce a pain reaction, nor how the effects of neonatal exposure to capsaicin effect the development of a rats life (even if there are impacts on the sensitivity of a response in TRPV1 as a result, your second link pretty clearly establishes that that is not a strong indicator of pain response to capsaicin in rodents, though it doesn’t go on to establish specifics thereof). Neither of those have to do with the consumption of capsaicin, though the second article is pretty interesting! It doesn’t establish a relationship between baseline “rodents” and TRPV1 response though, nor does it make any claims about severity of response or exposure sensitivity (which are not the goals of the paper), but that may be because the only english copy I can find of the article is a fairly abbreviated version of the full chinese text (and I uh… do not read written chinese very well at all, let alone discussions of technical biology).
Combination of these two should show you that mice react similarly to human reactions to oral ingestion of capsicin:
Innate liking and disgust reactions elicited by intraoral capsaicin in male mice
Acute oral toxicity of capsaicin in miceOkay, I’m starting to question if you’re reading the articles you’re bringing out here?
with the proportion of each reaction among disgust reactions similar to that induced by bitter and sour stimuli
First paper states in the abstract that it isn’t measuring a pain response, the paper goes on to clarify that (and has some pretty horrifying descriptions of the surgical procedure…) and is explicit that any response is based on mouse behavior, making no attempt to compare it to human reactions (because that is a really tricky question to answer in a rigorous manner, lets be real)
The second is studying the LD-50 of capsaicin - and yeah I bet they had a pain response, since they were given so much of it some of them died of stomach ulcers. It does not at any point discuss the pain response from consuming it, beyond that they died, only the symptoms after consumption.
These are both fundamentally irrelevant to the topic at hand.
The thumb. No person would hold that like that. And look at Nutrition facts.
Reminds me of the time I lost an entire day to the fucking One Chip Challenge.
… that might actually be a … rather inhumane, but ‘effective’ form of pest control for mice.
I… did not know that anyone made fucking ghost pepper grade chocolate, but yeah, that would lure in and then potentiall kill, if not seriously injure or at least dissuade mice.
Its like sugar + borax for ants and such, sheesh.
dissuade
“fuck this shit I am moving from this house”
Mouse Yelp Review:
Walls: 4/5
- roomy, yet also cozy!
Climate Control: 3/5
- gotta stick near the right pipes in peak summer/winter
Catering: 0/5
- actual sadistic death trap food, the ‘complimentary’ continental breakfast looks great, but will disembowel you. RIP lil squeeky jr.
Overall: 2/5
When the first spasms hit.
Why does that look like Mickey is busting a nut? Seeing Mickey’s O-face wasn’t on my list of things to do today.
Wait, do mice like chocolate? Can they eat chocolate? Or is this one of those the-dog-will-shit-itself-to-death things?
It’s the dog thing. Chocolate can be toxic for them.
Gonna be a fuckin painful exit for this mouse it seems.
:(
WTH is this pic?
Who holds a chocolate bar like that?
Who would have such a piece of finger nail?
Judging by his fingernails being so dirty, I’m guessing he’s a tradesperson. Tradespeople tend to damage/chip/break nails. As for the odd thumb position, I’m guessing he initially was holding it looking at the back, and turned his hand to show the front a bit for the photo, leading to the awkward thumb position.
Dogs and cats can’t taste capsaicin, can mice?
Dogs and cats can definitely perceive spiciness from capsaicin. Are you maybe thinking about birds? They cannot.
No, just getting lied to by Alexa is all.
If my dog eats something too spicy he will continue to lick around his mouth for hours
AI strikes again.
Yes, like all mammals, mice can taste the capsaicin and it’ll burn.
On a side note i have pet parrots and they have no receptors to register the capsaicin so those fuckers will sit there eating raw jalapeño and little red Thai peppers like it’s candy, they love the seeds. Then they come over later and give me spicy kisses
ai still has trouble with hands.
