Remember kids: Vote blue no matter who only applies to progressives.
Want to run a campaign against the duly nominated candidate?
Only if you’re a neoliberal sex pest. Otherwise you want republicans to win.
Vote progressive, the platform is impressive. The people aren’t oppressive and their art is more expressive - their passion is expressive but the message isn’t agressive.
For the people needs to be accomplished By the people.
Thank you Robin Williams Batty.
There is exactly 0 comparison more honorable.
You think the DNC is pushing this? Or is this just throwing shit to throw shit?
Vote blue still applies here. I don’t know who told you it doesn’t.
You think the DNC is pushing this?
I think they’re going to be more open about doing so as the election approaches.
Vote blue still applies here.
Progressives step aside when centrists win the primaries that the party went to court for the right to rig.
Someone needs to tell that to Cuomo.
Cuomo can fuck right off. And he’s declared himself not part of the DNC.
Yeah but he’s a registered Democrat and should back the nominee.
Unless you’d be okay with Bernie running as an independent in 2016.
No shit. Cuomo’s a shitbag.
Well, let’s see what happens. If the Democratic establishment pushes Mamdani hard, this will be true.
The person you’re replying to is just used to the establishment fighting against progressive insurgents.
If the Democratic establishment pushes Mamdani hard
Sure, and pigs might fly!
Never forget that it was a coalition led by the Dem leadership on behalf of AIPAC that ousted both Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman.
They always fight tooth and nail against progressives and roll over on most of the demands of the fascists in the name of “bipartisanship”
The person you’re replying to is just used to the establishment fighting against progressive insurgents.
As is anyone who’s ever paid attention 🤷
Thanks, I’ll tell your waiter.
The DNC sure as hell isn’t pushing Mamdani, is the point.
Whether they’ll put their enormous propaganda machine behind Cuomo, Adams, or none of the candidates remains to be seen, but you can bet your bottom dollar that they won’t be going anywhere near as hard for the progressive running under their banner as they have for both of the Republicans in all but name he’s running against in the past.
The DNC leadership is almost half as corrupt and hypocritical as the fascist party they pretend to be the only possible alternative to.
Or at least that’s the narrative you want on Lemmy. It’s partly true.
Nope, that’s what factually is happening.
Just because the Neoliberals from your favorite billionaire-owned media says something doesn’t make it true.
IDK what you’re saying, the progressive is the blue in this context. Mamdani is the DNC candidate, Cuomo is independent.
DNC normally: “3rd parties don’t function in our two party system, there’s no point in voting for them”
DNC after losing their own primary: 3rd party it is
“Vote Blue No Matter Who” reverts to “Party Unity My Ass” as soon as centrists don’t get 100% of everything they want.
These “” seem to have fallen from around the word centrists
They have not.
They’re not centrists as much as they want to believe they are. They are firmly conservative.
Conservative and centrist are functionally synonyms at this point.
A 3rd party won’t be viable in our lifetimes.
Welcome to reality.
Fuck Cuomo and honestly fuck the Democratic leadership to and fuck Democrats in general.
Blue no matter who right? You bunch of hypocritical assholes on par with Republicans.
Careful now, remember both sides are NOT the same!
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They aren’t.
And only an idiot would say so unironically after everything we’ve seen.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots on Lemmy.
Yes, Dems have to get flushed, but other than that, this is fantastic news, this is another hubristic blunder by narcissistic political demagogues.
This will guarantee some level of split vote from the people that were going to vote for Adams again or some Republican challenger, whoever that was going to be. And there will be a lot of brainwashed median voters who have no clue what’s going on just hear the facebook warnings that Mamdani is going to enact Turbo Gay Muslim Socialism that will force everyone to stand in breadlines to get their gay muslim rations.
Turnout is ridiculously low for the general election because everyone just assumes the Democrat will win. I’m not sure taking votes from Adams even matters. How many people are actually motivated to turn out for fucking Cuomo or the incredibly unpopular current mayor, in an election that famously has low turn out?
The most likely effect Cuomo will have imo is spooking people to turn out for Mamdani. I’m pretty sure his entering the race as a third party candidate will turn out a lot of young people to vote against him and almost no one to vote for him.
some Republican challenger, whoever that was going to be
Pretty sure that it’s gonna be perennial loser and insanely racist vigilante Curtis Sliwa again.
Either of my cats stand a better chance of becoming mayor of New York than that infected scrotum.
Blue no matter who right?
In this case there’s a better Dem to vote for. But yes, if the option is a Republican or a Democrat, I will 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000% vote blue no matter who. I’ve seen enough treason from Republicans to know to default blue if it’s blue or red.
There’s only one Dem to vote for in this race, and it ain’t Cuomo
Sure but tell that to the Democratic leadership that refuses to endorse or support Mamdani.
So no rallying behind the candidate then, eh?
What a shocker.
Failed at being governor, and now he wants to tank the duly elected mayoral nominee for the Democratic party by attempting to split the liberal voting block in NYC. Meanwhile, Trump’s buddy corrupt Eric Adams is doing exactly the same as a favor to his buddy in the White House.
There needs to be a poster on every street corner in NYC explaining this.
Preferably with pictures of both Cuomo and Adams photoshopped into the clowns they are.
To be fair: The Democratic Party isn’t a viable political engine for positive social change or a working-class agenda. If Cuomo wins it will be yet another example of how untrustworthy, hypocritical, and vapid Blue No Matter Who voting habits are.
Remember when mods coordinated to ban any criticism of BNMW / Blue Maga from all the major subs during 2024? How they the cultivated a community of briggading, sea-lioning, etc… to try and suppress any criticism of an approach to politics that was obviously going to hand the country to Trump?
.My ass. I wish the mods had banned obviously disingenuous “let’s let Trump win to make a point, what’s the difference anyway” made-up critique that blamed Kamala Harris for Gaza and inflation, under a tissue-thin pretense of “I just care about the country sooooooooooooooooooooo much that I’m giving well informed constructive criticism.” Instead we had to just yell at y’all about it in the comments, which since there were hundreds of posts and comments every single day with that viewpoint was always a losing battle. Even trolling of crayon-quality transparency of the UniversalMonk variety was explicitly allowed by the mods, and people who objected to it too strongly got banned for it.
The whining about how you’re not allowed to get your message out, which is constantly broadcasted on every channel where you’re claiming you’re being silenced, is just part and parcel of the alternate reality you’re having a good bit of success in constructing. MAGA does it too, it’s part of the package.
You do understand that your cynical lying about the past is why your camp is losing the argument? I mean, I don’t dislike you, at least not personally, and and even if I have to drag you by the hair onto the right side of history, I’ll at least afford you the charity required for you to fix yourself.
There is no point in bothering with conjecture regarding the bans. They happened, its documented, any one can look it up. It doesn’t help your following arguments to simply lie about a reality people can easily go reference for themselves, if they didn’t live the experience themselves, as many of us have. A conjecture rooted in the same cynicism that cost us the election.
Now as before, your cynical misrepresentation of the arguments which were made also works against you. We argued that without replacing Biden, we’d lose the election. And we had the same claims you are levying, here, now, levied against us them. That we were secret Trump supporters. That we were the ones costing the Democrats the election. And then, as it does, the truth of the matter has a way of finding itself out. And we who stayed focus on an accurate and valid criticisms we’re proven right. In-spite of this, and this is the true cost of cynicism, you continued to reject the analysis and criticism of those who got it right. Instead of showing grace and changing, yours doubled down on your wrongness, when even the beltway insiders had the humility to recognize how wrong they’d been. No. No instead you embraced the worst instinct: to double down on the cynicism. Harris needed to pivot away from Biden’s policies and political techniques to come back in the extra innings she was afforded. But no. The cynics won the side-line arguments on how to handle the extra time we got on the clock (and let us not forget, these same cynics were the ones arguing against replacing Biden), and we all suffer because.
We should listen to the people who got it right, to begin with, and who stayed right the whole time. We should ignore those who are guided by cynicism and fear. Sacrificing your values for billionaire donations isn’t just morally abhorrent: Its also bad strategy.
There is no point in bothering with conjecture regarding the bans. They happened, its documented, any one can look it up.
Can you look them up, and show them to me? I came close to digging through the modlog myself, to prove that the number of times in Dec 2023 / Jan 2024 that someone was banned for posting a poll showing Biden behind was 0.
We argued that without replacing Biden, we’d lose the election.
I said that with replacing Biden, we’d lose the election, because the exact same arguments that applied to Biden would get applied to Harris, plus some new ones, and all the forces that marshaled a variety of bad-faith bullshit against Biden would start to do the same against Harris, and people in this country literally can’t tell up from down when it comes to the election. And, in the election, that’s what happened.
A lot of what you’re saying happened also, yes. I’m genuinely confused about how you’re accusing me of being cynical about it or telling the Democrats to be more right wing. What statements did I make that led you to think that?
Can you look them up, and show them to me? I came close to digging through the modlog myself, to prove that the number of times in Dec 2023 / Jan 2024 that someone was banned for posting a poll showing Biden behind was 0.
Yes and no. Yes I can, in that I’ve built out at least some of the tools to do so. I can’t in that I’m still at work today and haven’t returned to that project in quite a while.
So anyone can look it up, but in order to look it up, you’d have to build some tools and it’s a whole project?
Find a particular modlog entry from last year. See how long it takes.
Now it’s time to hammer home the fact that it’s liberals’ turn to “vote blue no matter who.”
What?
How would voting I be voting blue?
Why are people up voting that? It makes zero sense…
Cuomo is the one violating the VBNMW
He should hold his nose and vote for the nominee.
It isn’t, but since centrists didn’t get their very first choice, they’re fine with it now.
“Vote blue no matter who” for me but not for thee
So, he’s going to divide the Rightwing vote.
This guy is a form of cancer.
Won’t work. Democrats are like any other voting group: they stick with their party, no matter the majority candidate. Because losing to the enemy is worse than losing to an infra-party faction. This is how Trump got elected twice. It’ll happen again, because people are predictable.
He’s just hoping that enough people vote for him that it’ll split the vote and that Adams will win. They’re liberals, they’d rather literal fascists win than leftists.
If the market doesn’t agree with a democratic victory centrists won’t abandon the market, they will abandon victory.
Even by running DNC is dumping their war chest on this fight. If Mamdani loses or fucks up, those are less funds in the DNC coffers and IMO draining those idiots of every cent is a valuable goal.
No, I’m not that pessimistic. Their allegiance is to party loyalty, not an opposing political viewpoint like facism. The guy’s a true believer, and his intent isn’t to sabotage to Democratic Party but to reform it. I don’t agree with all of his positions, but I like him better than Cuomo right now. The real issue is that Cuomo isn’t a right-wing Nazi like the Far-Left want you to believe. Maintain your centricity and don’t get played into viewing things the way the media outlets and political parties want you to see them.
Clearly Cuomo’s loyalty is not to party because if it was he wouldn’t still be running. I also don’t believe Cuomo believes in anything but himself and his own advantage and the advantage of his big donors. However I’m not saying Cuomo is a far right Nazi. I’m just saying he’d rather a far right Nazi win than a leftist. Though arguably that would imply…
However I’d like to ask you to keep the personal insults to a minimum.
This is the same Cuomo who appointed two republican judges as a f.u. to the Democratic party for pushing him out for his many crimes
The real issue is that Cuomo isn’t a right-wing Nazi
He’s trying to split the vote as a spoiler candidate to allow the NAZI party win. Which makes him a NAZI collaborator.
No, he’s trying to win for his own ambition of power. Calling him a Nazi collaborator for that is idiotic. Just because what he’s doing helps Nazis doesn’t make him a collaborator. Grow the fuck up.
Sure is neat how voting third party suddenly isn’t collaboration.
Sure is neat how your argument has no relevance.
Anyone with the slightest criticism of biden or harris last year was called a trump supporter.
Y’all spent all general shouting how a vote for anyone other than Kamala was a vote for Trump and how those running third party campaigns are just helping Trump win.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, third party candidates aren’t working for the other side?
“A vote for Cuomo is a vote for Sliwa.”.
If he knows what he is doing cannot possibly lead to his own success, splitting the blue vote can’t lead to him winning, then he is deliberately trying to put the nazis in power over his citizens knowing some of them will be harmed. He’s absolutely a collaborator.
I’m sure he thinks he can win. But even if he didn’t, that doesn’t make him a collaborator. You misunderstand the term. It requires intent. You’re just trying to stack the deck by polarizing it. And I’m sure you think you’re doing the right thing. It’s just that your willful ignorance about the semantics of the term you’re using is harmful. Casting Cuomo as a Nazi gains you nothing but self-righteous purpose. Your cause isn’t righteous, no more than any other cause. You’re just an ideologue of a particular stripe. Have fun being that. From what I hear, it’s a lonely existence.
Nobody who splits his own sides vote can win mathematically. To simplify you need side /2 - loss from infighting > opposition.
By continuing to shit on your own side you tend not only to draw votes for yourself you tend to decrease turnout, enthusiasm, and tell the other sides story for them. All with zero hope of actually winning because you will never out earn the default party vote. EG if just 10% just vote for the official party members it doesn’t matter if you convince 55% of the remaining side to side with you you’ve already lost.
This is why this strategy hasn’t worked this century.
Please pray tell when has a major election been won by a fellow running against his own side? Be specific. Remember major impact elections like Mayor of NYC +
Not true, unfortunately. In Buffalo, NY, traitor Byron Brown ran and won as a write in candidate after losing the Democratic mayoral primary to India Walton.
It doubly won’t work since isn’t Eric Adams doing the same thing? Two establishment politicians running as independents?
Haha I wondered how they would try to stop Mamdani becoming mayor.
It’s insane to me they would rather split the vote and put one of Trump’s puppets in office rather than move their platform slightly left of center.
It makes sense when you think about how they are closer to Trump policy wise than they are to being left of center.
“But, them democrats is all libuhruls!” ~ Most of MAGA.
But, there are some MAGAs who know it’s all a ruse but don’t care because they want the bigots to win. So, they stoke the fire under the ignorant masses.
Modern Liberalism claims to be for individual equality but that’s kind of a lie. It has the same mechanisms to distribute economic and political power than Classic Liberalism, Libertarianism or Neoliberalism. Capital rules everything.
MAGAts understand that the Democrats believe in inequality just like the fascists do, just inequality based on class instead of on identity. So for them it’s perfectly logical to choose identity instead. They are not wrong about the hypocrisy of liberals, pretending to care about equality for some specific group but ignoring the inequality for all. It was fine until prosperity started to plummet.
MO of the DNC for many years now.
Not it’s not. They prefer to lose with the right than win with the left.
And after Mamdani hired one of the DNC’s consultants to
nerf all his policiesappeal to the centrists who have thus far refused to endorse him.It’s almost as though the centrist wing of the party does absolutely nothing in good faith and will do everything they can to ratfuck anyone to their left.
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Democrats think we vote for them because we like them
Vote blue no matter who, no not like that…
Yes exactly fucking like that.
Vote Blue, Vote Mamdani.
He is a spiteful little ball sack.
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