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I don’t mind pizzacake commics, but at this point just seeing the art style is enough to get me pre-emptivly upset at how stupid and insane the comment section is going to be.
I see it and just sigh because I know nobody will talk about the actual comic it will just be about how shitty of a person she is for X reason.
That’s not true, we also insult her half assed art style and middle of the road takes.
Case in point.
I’m unfamiliar, this is the first thing of hers I’ve encountered and I thought it fun enough to post here. Is there one of those Reasons people don’t like her?
There’s a long story involving her threatening legal action against a subreddit over people parodying her work, overall she seems to be a very thin skinned individual that doesn’t take criticism well.
Her work also just isn’t very good, in my view. Her art style is incredibly bland, and her positions on various topics are just the biggest “no shit” moments you can imagine.
She’s an example of a normal person becoming famous and having to navigate those waters without a team.
You’re a wonderful example of an outside critic without consideration. I’m thankful I’m just a nobody like you, because these critiques upset me even when I’m not involved whatsoever.
I wasn’t aware I had to be an artist to criticise Pizzacake.
And even without the drama on Reddit, which I don’t particularly care about, her work is extremely bland and unimaginative.
You don’t have to be an artist to criticize her, just like I don’t have to be a critic to recognize bandwagoning. People shit on her because it’s popular, not because of good reasons.
Continue to manifest reddit drama here, and argue for shitting on people. I’ll take my downvotes for standing up for artists. There are literally hundreds of bigger problems we should be speaking up about, this comic artist is not one of them.
Have you considered the possibility everyone is criticising her because she genuinely sucks?
Explain the difference between bandwagoning and the majoroty of people sharing the same opinion.
posts nude photos of Nurse_Robot punting a basket of puppies
You swore you’d never post that photo, I only kicked that basket because you said it was the only way you could get off
She does, however, sell nude pictures on her patron.
Thanks, SatansMaggotyCumFart. You’ve shown us the audience that shits on artists
I honestly don’t think she’s into that.
We won’t know unless we ask though
Lol of course it would be satansmaggotycumfart to share this tidbit
Gentlemen, I think I’ve found my next job. Now, if only I was good looking…
You could always paint your toenails and sell foot pics.
I mean…I wouldn’t know…
🤔
Which is very weird, but whatever.
To be fair, if the biggest critiques of an internet celeb was that they were thin-skinned and their takes aren’t very spicy then I take that as a win in today’s environment. Hell even being “sort of an asshole” is pretty good by today’s standards.
It could be worse, but then again, people wouldn’t be posting her work all the time if she’d done something truly awful.
Instead she makes bland dross that confirms people’s opinions, and people think she’s actually creative as a result.
Yeah. I recommend a drink.
Maybe because the comics rarely have any substance to talk about. Besides, I don’t want to see or support someone’s work when they threaten people with litigation for making fun of and criticizing their comics
As a leftist, as a progressive, I long for a world where I never have to see these comics again. It’s not that I disagree with them, they’re just so goddamn annoying and low hanging fruit shit
If some rando did this exact scenario in ragemaker and posted it, with no connection to pizzacake, everyone would be talking about how relatable it is. I’d wager you’d be included in that ‘everyone’.
And then if that rando did it every day for like five years, I’d get tired of their shit too.
except the situation you’re describing is not happening.
Well that’s kind of the point. It’s low hanging fruit because everyone agrees with it. No one thinks you are obligated to argue with others, which is the straw man’s position. It’s not that you don’t have a right to block critics, the question is “When is it a good idea?”.
It sounds like a lot of people think the author does it too liberally, which can lead to an echo chamber. Most people would say creating a lawsuit against your critics is also an overreaction, but people have also been saying she gets harassed a lot. That makes it more reasonable if true.
So downvote and move on. The moaning about her is even more dull and repetitive.
“droll and repetitive” is some serious projection my apparently terminally online friend. I’ve never heard of this artist before in my life
Droll means amusing. You might have meant dull instead
Yeah, that’d be autocorrect.
It’s been fascinating seeing this platform slowly turn against Pizzacake as more of her stuff gets posted.
As obvious and uncontroversial as this comic may seem, the message still needs to be said.
the message still needs to be said.
No it doesn’t, because this shit is just ragebait.
How? It says nothing rageworthy
I really don’t think it does.
Care to elaborate? Or are we edging “I just don’t like that my opinion is bad and people have the right to tell me fuck off”?
It’s something we already know, and it’s said often enough that it’s common knowledge.
Like I said in another comment, most of her comics I react to with a “no shit”. She’s stating the obvious.
“Commom Knowledge” isn’t comon among a LOT of idiots this comic is aimed at.
I really hope these comics don’t surge here like they did on reddit. It’s not wrong, it’s just such low effort. Its just pandering.
Maybe youre leaning more towards its a circlejerk? But I mean if its a circlejerk about disowning naxis and other annoying people I say pass the grease
Circlejerk, preaching to the choir, stating the obvious, whatever you want to call it.
And you saying that is why it does need to be said.
You’re really going to town in here, aren’t you?
Eh, kinda
It needs to be said because someone thinks it doesn’t need to be said? That doesn’t make sense.
Honestly I’ve come around on pizzacake. I now think it’s actually an impressive artistic feat to make a successful webcomic where your secondary main character is consistently a non-existent strawman.
It’s like social commentary on social commentary, wrapped in countless layers of irony and meta, right?
Every time I see this comic I think “you totally had a confrontation you fumbled, then came up with a response a week later and made a comic to ‘own’ someone”.
You’re onto something here
Well, same way Stormtroopers wear helmets. You can’t really individualize them or people start to appreciate them and root for them, like they do every villain.
I’ve never blocked anyone. 14 years of reddit and now Lemmy and there has never been a reason to. I find it weird when people do it.
I get it if someone is harrasing you, but an anonymous disagreement? Meh, whatever. If I am done I just quit responding and move on.
I suppose being online since the 80’s gives you a little bit of perspective. Don’t feed the trolls, everyone is a liar, and nothing anyone says matters unless you want it to.
And never use social media.
There’s a couple I’ve blocked, because they’re simply incapable of having any type of discussion unless you’re rabidly in agreement with them, and they immediately turn to insulting anyone who disagrees.
The only weirdo I know that blocks people left and right is one that signs every comment with a “no AI license” thingy. Anyone that correctly comments how that’s useless/pointless because bots ignore that is blocked
I got some of the stalinist people like cowbee blocked because they are extremely annoying.
Freedom of Speech != Obligation to Listen
Yeah and it goes both ways. She can post her crap, and haters can hate. She can ignore them and they choose not to ignore her. That’s where the conflict comes in.
The whole DMCA thing only made it worse. She exposed herself as a target for hatred and the haters love nothing more than for the enemy to expose their glowing weak point to shoot at.
But that’s because if we want copyright and parody to coexist, they need to have limits. Parody gets a blanket license to reuse source material endlessly unless you can justify the expense of an attorney to hit a moving target that may be made from hundreds of individuals mocking your content. That’s kind of shitty and almost impossible to defend against. It’s like how you can’t copyright a tweet because it is too short. But you should be able to copyright a body of tweets because aggregated they are (checks notes) not too short. In her case the bonehurtingjuice community turned into an active troll campaign to target every one of her comics to harass and demean her.
So in this case I do think the internet trolls on bhj were shitheads and were in the wrong. Even if that coexists with my opinion that her comics kind of suck. And frankly I think the current legal system is at fault for not having adapted to coordinated trolling. She’s probably going to get killed by one of those gamergate nutjobs now that she’s been doxxed.
The issue with doxxing that really frustrates me as a coder is that individual developers and companies are never held responsible for making negligently insecure software.
Why is this nsfw?
Try blocking your boss and see how it goes
Another daring and controversial take from Pizzacake.
Nobody is changing their mind from modern debates online. We are in a culture of anti-intellectualism. So there really is no point. I only block if someone is annoying or there is no point in engagement.
That’s not true.
…On the other hand, I largely feel it’s not worth any effort unless its a passion/niche, where one has an outsized effect.
I don’t think that’s 100% true though. I’ve changed my mind several times but these talks needs both parties to argue in good faith not just throwing stones at each other.
The main issue with main areas where this happens is because the communication tools are incredibly limited on purpose. Its impossible to have a conversation on Instagram, twitter or tiktok or even Facebook comments. And that’s done on purpose - isn’t that crazy?
on the other hand, I generally really like discussions on hacker news because everyone at least pretends to approach in good faith and the discussion culture is quite professional. There are several small communities on the web that function this way and it really works!
It’s really crazy how internet regressed in this regard. “Don’t feed the troll” is been the moto of the web but not it’s almost inverse. People try to justify this as justice seeking but its clearly doesn’t work.
It’s because of engagement algorithms, partially. Unlike ‘dumb’ forums/boards, the bulk of the modern internet heavily rewards trolling (and engaging with trolls) in every form.
That, and very little community moderation.
An increasing number of things are justified as justice seeking. I think it’s because people are increasingly desperate to feel powerful against the real injustices of the world. In that light it’s understandable, but seeking that feeling by trying to win online arguments with randos seems seriously pathetic.
I wish blocking also prevented them from viewing my posts
Ironic considering she could’ve just blocked the subreddit that made fun of her work instead of threatening to sue them. But hey, that’s toxic people for you.
Generally, here there’s less annoying people, and I’m less likely to see a dipshit again, so I don’t block much.
On tumblr and mastodon? Anyone who’s slightly annoying gets blocked.
edit: seeing some of the comments here has me rethinking this.
Every block enforced your echo chamber, brick by brick.
This is why i don’t block things in general. How could I possibly have the slightest bit of nuanced idea of what other people talk about, if i just block it?
Ok, blocked.
Just kidding. Debate is good, but unfortunately some of them is done in bad faith, either just for trolling, or because the oposing side just has no intention of even considering your arguments.
In both case, blocking is justified.I tend to steer clear of online debate, i just want to see what is being written so that I don’t get a skewed view. The only way to avoid the echo chamber is likely not participating in social media at all.
If I have the energy for it, I browse some classical forums, where you have to go through every reply. Kind of tedious, but atleast every post gets the same “weight”.
How could I possibly have the slightest bit of nuanced idea of what other people talk about, if i just block it?
Because you read (past tense) it before you blocked it?
also- It’s certainly not hard to get a nuanced idea of others non-nuanced ideas.
Or read up on what their ideas are and not engage with the worst version of a person with that belief system.
Because you read (past tense) it before you blocked it?
That’s the whole point. I don’t want a “past tense” understanding of what is being said and written by “people”.
Obviously spammers get blocked, cause they make it hard to read. The rest are just words and opinions. All of which I’m perfectly capable of dealing with.
ive debated these maga morons for nearly a decade. i’m done. there’s no amount of logic or facts that will ever save them.
Devils advocate hat ON: I recon they feel the same way about you. What’s the play? Just ignore them while they take over your country? Do you think that you can solve the problem without infringing on peoples right to listen to whatever they want?
there are other, more effective ways to fight back than to argue with an inanimate object.
Ok, maybe get on that then. Cause it ain’t goin’ very well…
I don’t block people. It’s better to downvote them.
