• NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.caEnglish
      44·
      23 days ago

      I can’t describe how many patients I see in an average week who are taking homeopathic stuff for their dental diseases and ask me hopefully if it’s working. No, magic toxin water has not cured your gingivitis or rebuilt your cavitated tooth.

      • chocrates@piefed.worldEnglish
        23·
        22 days ago

        I’m sad that my mom believed in homeopathy. She still went to doctors thankfully and got her cancer treated, but she wasted so much money on snake oil

  • FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world
    58·
    23 days ago

    Sadly, the stupid tend to breed prolifically, and anti-vax idiots often have a gaggle of spawn, and are keen to whelp more litters as the others die from perfectly preventable diseases

  • WanderWisley@lemmy.world
    53·
    22 days ago

    I know a couple of anti-vax people who won’t take or get any vaccine, but they will happily buy unregulated dick pills from china.

        • Victor@lemmy.world
          2·
          21 days ago

          I don’t like the use of commas to signify pauses. Commas are better for grammatical structure in my opinion. Better to use an ellipsis (…), or an em dash (—). My two cents.

          • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
            3·
            21 days ago

            I used both of those elements often, when I feel they express whatever I’ve trying to say. I wanted a slight pause between the two clauses, and felt the comma did that better that your suggestions, which indicate longer pauses.

            It’s not “grammatically incorrect,” it’s just one alternative approach.

            • Victor@lemmy.world
              1·
              21 days ago

              I welcome them when they make grammatical sense. 🙂 I’m also partial as I’m a developer by trade.

                • Victor@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  21 days ago

                  Agreed, but somehow your use of it here still feels off. Like it isn’t necessary at all right there; at least that’s how I feel. The thing that comes after the semicolon needs to be able to stand on its own. Or use it when counting: Strawberries, blueberries, raspberries; flour, sugar, and cereal; milk, and cream.

    • FatVegan@leminal.space
      3·
      21 days ago

      I’ll never forget that woman i saw on tinder quite frequently who had a bunch of low to high key antivax stuff on her profile. One was a picture of her when she was on a antivax demo with a lot of other people and she was holding a sign that said something like: we don’t follow the masses… While following a mass of people, quite literally

    • lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world
      4·
      21 days ago

      Nobody was thinking straight during the Covid Panic. I got the vaccine because I’m the type of person it likes to kill.

      But it surprised me that the crowd that are terrified of Forever Chemcalz, atomz, BPA, microplastics and frequently scream “Regulations are written in blood!” were chomping at the bit to force everyone to get injected with a product from Big Pharma that was fast tracked and bypassed all normal regulations to get to market as soon as possible by the executive orders of a billionaire president they despised.

      Meanwhile, the MAGA crowd were booing Trump at his rallies when he told them to go out and get vaccinated.

      The whole world had gone cross-eyed.

      Edit:

      If any humans happen into this thread, take a look at these bots below replying, upvoting, downvoting. It’s shocking. It’s like There Will Come Soft Rains in reverse.

      They have no idea what I’m saying. I made a joke about the possibility that vaccines could cause people to explode and they’re taking it at face value. Spitting out the same messages over and over “it’s safe and effective” and “You’re spreading misinformation” and demanding I provide evidence that vaccines cause people to explode and seriously explaining that vaccines do not cause people to explode. Wow.

      Maybe the world didn’t go cross-eyed. It was the bots.

      • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.worldEnglish
        20·
        22 days ago

        Yes it was fast tracked but it did not bypass all normal regulations.

        Not only was the vaccine incredibly safe it was also incredibly effective.

        • lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world
          2·
          22 days ago

          Not only was the vaccine incredibly safe it was also incredibly effective.

          Are you telling me, or are you telling yourself that?

          I don’t know, man. They said the same thing about PFAS, thalidomide, the 1976 U.S. swine flu vaccine and fentanyl. You could have up to an 80% increased chance of exploding before the age 65.

      • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
        3·
        21 days ago

        I made a joke about the possibility that vaccines could cause people to explode and they’re taking it at face value.

        Nobody took it at face value, you lying troll.

        bots bots bots bots bots bots bots

        The fact that we don’t put up with your troll shit doesn’t make us bots.

          • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
            2·
            21 days ago

            I wish I was a bot so I wouldn’t have to worry about the diseases you’re gonna spread with your idiotic troll shit.

              • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
                2·
                21 days ago

                Oh come on, you have to be less obvious when you troll!

                Yes, I’m sure bashing everyone else who got the vaccine as a brainwashed hypocrite who’s just following trends is the way to encourage more people to get the vaccine. Yes, what a “rational” response to assert that you’re the only person who got it for rational reasons and that everyone else is an idiot.

                Come on, you know as well as I do that none of your comments from the very beginning have been about encouraging anyone to get vaccinated. At best it’s about trying to feel superior to everyone. At worst it’s trying to pick a fight and spread confusion and doubt.

                • lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  21 days ago

                  Yes, I’m sure bashing everyone else who got the vaccine as a brainwashed hypocrite who’s just following trends

                  I’m not though because the vast majority of people are not political hobbyists and they, like me, did not get the vaccine because it was fashionable. They got it because it was reasonable.

                  Come on, you know as well as I do that none of your comments from the very beginning have been about encouraging anyone to get vaccinated.

                  This is not true. But if you insist on believing it, take comfort from the lessons of Kurt Vonnegut’s Mother Night. Even if I’m pretending to encourage people to get vaccinated, it is still encouraging people to get vaccinated. You are who you pretend to be.

      • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
        2·
        21 days ago

        You should probably look up how vaccine testing schedules work normally compared to what they ddid with the covid vax. They didn’t rush or skip any testing, they simply put it ahead of every other test schedule, it was tested as thoroughly as every other vaccine, they merely delayed testing of other vaccines, because of the whole pandemic thing that was going on and, you know, the cripplingly dire need for it and all that.

        • lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world
          1·
          21 days ago

          You’re preaching to the choir here. My point was that the anti-corporate crowd that believes companies are trying to murder their customers for profit are not normally so charitable to such a thing. It was a bizarre moment of clarity. A benefit of doubt extended to only Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson and no other corporations.

          Meanwhile, the MAGA crowd that would jump off a cliff if Trump told them to, drew the line at vaccines for some reason.

          It was and still is weird.

  • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.caEnglish
    19·
    21 days ago

    We should thank the antivaxxers. There was a suspicion for years that vaccines over age 60 reduce the incidence of neurodegenerative diseases but due to high uptake, a control group was not obvious, nor ethical to impose.

    Now, the control group has appeared and vaccines, especially Shingrex, lower Alzheimer incidence by 20-30%.

    In fact, vaccines work far better than the last two FDA approved antibody therapies for dementia costing $26000 a year.

    This was a very promising route to prevent neurodegenerative diseases but Trump ironically cut all this research in 2025. So he’ll die of literal brain rot, because Tony Fauci make him feel inferior.

    • matlag@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      4·
      21 days ago

      I’m wondering if it’s really the vaccine or if what makes you vulnerable to the antivax idea also makes you more prone to neurodegenerescence.

    • Dave2@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      37·
      23 days ago

      Vaccines. As in every medication will go through this test where you give some meds to a group and none to another so you can determine if your new medication is any good.

    • BogusCabbage@lemmy.world
      13·
      23 days ago

      Don’t know why you are being downvoted, it’s a genuine question. Just generally the control groups for a vaccines effectiveness when given to the public, example, comparing the spread of a virus to those vaccinated and unvaccinated, or comparing the severity of symptoms between the 2 groups.

  • paultimate14@lemmy.world
    9·
    22 days ago

    I honestly am starting to think the anti-vaxx crowd has been astroturfed by pharmaceutical corporations in order to convince the general public that anyone who questions Big Pharma is some loomy who thinks vaccines cause autism wants to drink raw milk.

    • casualvagrancy@lemmy.world
      1·
      21 days ago

      I’ve never once met the stereotype antivaxxer (dumb, thinks apple cider vinegar cures cancer, etc). I have a bunch of anti-vax coworkers (ironic as I work in healthcare) and they’re highly educated, normal people who don’t drink raw milk (though I’ve tried it and it’s just … milk.)

  • Dimi Fisher@lemmy.world
    8·
    22 days ago

    Never took it, never needed it, I never will, so for the uneducated who are ready to polarize and divide people on a matter that is strictly personal, I remind you to read history and learn what is a pandemic because if you have to do a test to see if you got it, then it’s definitely not one, it was just a common flu and the experiment was you, so good luck you re gonna need it!

    • The D Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
      22·
      22 days ago

      strictly personal

      Oh, so I assume you’ve self isolated yourself entirely and aren’t going within 15 feet of anyone else or letting anyone else come within 15 feet of you?

      • MTZ@lemmy.worldOP
        8·
        21 days ago

        Something tells me that no one would be within 15 feet of that person anyway.

        • The D Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
          3·
          21 days ago

          Vaccination is a major component of community health measures. If someone doesn’t want to participate in community health measures, they are a risk to communities. Without vaccination, the only way an unvaccinated person can keep from putting the community at risk is to increase social distancing to a degree that would disallow them to spread diseases to immunocompromised people within the community. During an epidemic or pandemic, with no vaccine, and with other measures in place like masking, testing, and contact tracing, a social distancing policy of 6 ft can keep a disease from spreading rampantly. However, we are not currently mass masking, testing, or contact tracing mostly trusting people to be and act safe.

          But you’ve decided to opt out of community health measures. You’ve decided to lone wolf it because it’s, as you put it, a strictly personal choice. This means that you don’t have to participate in community health measures, but it also means that if you come closer than 15 feet to people who are engaged in community health measures, you are raising their risk of unknowingly spreading something to someone immunocompromised. If we were to not engage in community health measures, we would need to increase the spacing from 6 ft to 15 ft to prevent devestating health risks.

          So since you’ve chosen this for yourself, I assume you’re taking these measures? Or are you being a typical selfish antivaxxer who wants to receive the benefits of community health measures without doing anything to participate in making them work?

          • Dimi Fisher@lemmy.world
            1·
            19 days ago

            Massive vaccination at once across all groups no matter the age, gender etc never happened before, and shouldnt happen ever, so what exactly are you trying to prove or disprove?

    • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca
      15·
      22 days ago

      Here’s to you being removed from the gene pool. Hope you haven’t reproduced. If you do have kids, you shouldn’t be allowed to have custody.

          • Dimi Fisher@lemmy.world
            1·
            21 days ago

            You can call it whatever you like it, it’s still hate and is eating you alive, so sad, good luck to you too!

            • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
              1·
              21 days ago

              You rarely, if ever, find yourself in need of correction or acknowledging you might be incorrect about anything, is this a correct assumption? How often, if ever, do you find yourself doing a self inventory and audit on your personal views and beliefs?

              • Dimi Fisher@lemmy.world
                1·
                11 days ago

                If you are not a troll and you seriously asking me this, then you have some serious thinking to do about your life, I m sry, cy

      • Dimi Fisher@lemmy.world
        1·
        21 days ago

        I dont remember flaming under your comments dude, so you are the one who has to go back to reddit, stop mirroring yourself to everyone around you.

      • Dimi Fisher@lemmy.world
        1·
        21 days ago

        If that helps you disregard what really happened then it’s ok my dude, no I don’t seek attention by fools on the net, so no rage bait here

      • Dimi Fisher@lemmy.world
        1·
        21 days ago

        If that helps you sleep at night, then it’s ok my dude, believe whatever you want to believe, not my problem

  • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
    7·
    21 days ago

    Does anybody else remember the good old days before the pandemic when anti-vaxers where a left wing phenomenon? It was mostly popular among the all natural hippies who were convinced that crystals and meditation could cure diseases and that all modern medicine was a scam by the all powerful and all elusive “big pharma”… It’s sad that anti-vaxers went from being clowns that everybody made fun to being a serious problem because a big chunk of society decided to go brain dead and now old diseases are making a comeback.

    • how_we_burned@lemmy.zip
      3·
      21 days ago

      In Australia the wackos and feral teamed up with the conservative nut jobs in our rural hippie town of Nimbin.

      All because of the vaccine.

      Fucking morons

    • MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world
      1·
      20 days ago

      all natural hippies who are convinced that crystals and meditation could cure diseases and that all modern medicine was a scam by the all powerful and all elusive “big pharma” are right wing now

  • b0ber@lemmy.world
    6·
    22 days ago

    The first batches of mRNA vaccines were terrible. One of my friends had his skin start peeling after the first shot. Two others died within a day from the third shot. One of them was an athlete who swam daily. In my country, they were pushed on everyone, babies and pregnant women, some of whom later had abortions. But I guess no one will ever admit any mistakes. it’s easier to sow division among people than to seriously look into potential side effects.

    • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
      49·
      22 days ago

      I knew an athlete who had an mRNA vaccine and he died in a car accident two days afterwards. This was a very fit and healthy person who ran daily.

        • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
          31·
          22 days ago

          Yeah I did, kinda like how only twelve people came up with 90% of the anti vax bullshit that got spread around during COVID.

          • b0ber@lemmy.world
            2·
            22 days ago

            I’m not trying to defend anti-vax views, but to critique the culture of denial. Clearly, it’s difficult for many to discuss the negative aspects without dismissal, likely due to the cognitive dissonance they experience.

              • b0ber@lemmy.world
                2·
                22 days ago

                AI chats made people feel like everyone has to agree with them, “such a great question” “good point” The internet is so dead. soon you’ll only be talking to AI agents anyway, so enjoy the last bits of real people.

                • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
                  8·
                  22 days ago

                  I don’t know what this has to do with anything. I love it when people disagree with me. Either they make interesting points and I have fun learning something or they post drivel and I have fun with them until I get bored. It’s all upside.

                • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
                  7·
                  21 days ago

                  Bruh I’ve hated you pro-disease morons long before AI existed. I don’t care if “everyone agrees with me” except on topics where you’re causing children to die of preventable diseases for no fucking reason.

                  We had literally solved the problem of measles, and now you’ve brought it back out of pure foolishness. Those sick and dying children are entirely the fault of people like you.

            • AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip
              9·
              22 days ago

              Probably more to do with the fact that there is, at most, a tiny grain of truth at the core, but it’s wrapped in a mountain of bullshit.

              • b0ber@lemmy.world
                1·
                22 days ago

                Could be, but what interest would a regular person have in making things up? The only explanation I can think of is state actors, but even then, there must be something real to hold onto, even if it’s a 1 in million chance. The fact that everyone else is being dismissed makes it feel like a cult. I hate that criticizing Pfizer and Moderna has become associated with a political view, especially since these companies were involved in huge fraud scandals before.

                • AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip
                  7·
                  22 days ago

                  Cue the classic Arthur meme, “do you really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?”

                  How about for money? How many grifters pushed their own protective supplements? You think pharma maybe would pay some astroturfers to push the ivermectin that didn’t do dick for anyone that didn’t have worms already because it’s fucking dewormer? How many antivaxxers made up bullshit about it just like they do every other vaccine? How many wealthy people down played everything and helped push lies so their workers would get the fuck back in the office/factory? How many people just said some stupid shit and doubled down to protect their ego when called out?

                  Like here’s the real issue. You’ve put no real thought at all into why someone might lie about it, as evidenced by the fact that you can only conceive of it being state actors while I came up with all those people incentivized to lie off the top of my head. And then, after putting no real effort into reflection or anything, you look around at all the people who can come up with reasons you’re wrong and claim it feels like a cult.

                • MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  5·
                  22 days ago

                  Because they’re scared and wanted to save face and justify their own decisions. It only takes a few to act like this, then for everyone else it becomes “I know someone that…” And so on.

    • CovfefeKills@lemmy.world
      9·
      22 days ago

      Maybe you should mention where you are from. Because they definitely did not release an untested vaccine into western countries, it was tested and the bugs were worked out, somewhere.

    • dueuwuje@aussie.zone
      8·
      22 days ago

      It seems that you are tied with a lot of very unfortunate people. It almost seems improbable.

      • b0ber@lemmy.world
        2·
        22 days ago

        Any medicine can have side effects its ridiculous that acknowledging that immediately labels you as an anti-vaxxer. This narrative is one of pharmas big successes imo.

        • dueuwuje@aussie.zone
          11·
          22 days ago

          I think your making your own conclusions in order to create, for yourself, a soapbox to argue.

        • atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works
          5·
          22 days ago

          Nobody is saying vaccines have zero side effects. But everything has side effects, and the side effects for vaccines have been reported just like all other medications. https://www.healthline.com/health/vaccinations/side-effects-of-covid-19-vaccine#age-differences Of the more serious side effects these are mainly reported in 4-5 per one MILLION people.

          In comparison, this study https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10123459/ finds that 232,000 deaths could have been prevented AMONG the unvaccinated. This is includes people who could not take the vaccine for specific health reasons who may not have died if people who could took it.

          And they were voluntary to take despite it having big consequences for everyone else that some chose not to take them.

        • Zink@programming.dev
          1·
          21 days ago

          I think you mean the concept of that existing is one of the big successes of people who debate scientific topics by flooding the conversation with rapid-fire assertions and FUD.

    • imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      5·
      22 days ago

      Double edged sword.

      If we don’t act fast enough, many will die. If we acted too fast with untested vaccine, people may die. I guess will and may are very important here. Would be much preferable if we didn’t suddenly discover and spread the deadly virus.

      • b0ber@lemmy.world
        2·
        22 days ago

        Yeah, I can definitely see the benefits. But completely dismissing the concerns of those who think differently doesn’t feel very constructive. The pharma companies basically made billions on this with zero liability, its ridiculous.