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    “It’s funny how people will believe in Newton’s laws of motion but still think the Force from Star Wars is mythical nonsense.”

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    I do believe gorilla piss exists.

    I do not believe drinking gorilla piss would grant you gorilla strength (citation needed).

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    They also seem to believe wi-fi “powers everything”? What a loon.

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    I absolutely believe in energy, frequency, and vibration. My wifi vibrates at a frequency of 2.4 and 5 GHz and in order to do that it needs to use energy.

    Like, I’m down with hippie woo energy work, it’s really useful meditation. I use it to keep my anxiety under control. But your religion can’t cure diseases, it can only provide comfort

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      Meditation is awesome and useful. But it doesn’t need to be mystical and magical to be great, and I wish more people realized that.

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      That’s how I feel about astrology. A horoscope is just a prompt for self reflection. But it’s fun when something feels woo woo or predictive or relatable because… its fun, idk. Its spooOoOoOoKy, it’s fun, it’s cute. Star charts are a skill you have to learn, it’s a hobby, it makes your brain work.

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        The irony of finding two other woo-tolerant Lemmites in this comm.

        Once I learned that astrology points to themes of influence on a time frame, it made a lot more sense. Taking it literally and thinking everything is confirmation bias is how people dismiss it. There’s more than a few people that have correctly nailed a lot of big events, it’s more about technique it seems. Nick Dagen Best published a book I think in 2013 or 2016 that is hitting hard right now - totally called Trump 2 and stuck to his guns on that.

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        Well that begs the question though, why do some people find it fun and cute? Because they want to believe there’s a lazy easy way to figure things out without doing the hard work of the scientific process.

        From that perspective i find astrology to be harmful and dangerous, although unfortunately ive had no success convincing anyone of that. I suppose some humans just like harmful and dangerous things and perhaps evolutionarily our species evolved to have a large number of those people.

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      Alopatic medicine cures some stuff but what does most is treat symptoms cause what it wants is to make money not to cure disease, I’m quite sure companies making billions off insuline and chemotherapy aren’t going to even bother trying to cure something they are profiting off, in fact is much probable that they actively try to sabotage research that could end their golden goose disease treatments…

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      I kinda don’t believe in Energy, in the sense that I find it a useful conserved quantity to calculate stuff. Energy, or other physical quantities like fields “existing” though, is a philosophical question

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    You can map out the inside of a building and figure out where objects are, and when and where movement occurs, with WiFi.

    You cannot do this with magic woo woo nonsense that equivocates and conflates terms across different domain specific meanings, and then attempts to build a world view out of confused, meaningless/contradictory gibberish.

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      Some of the more storied and out there reports of what happened with the remote viewing program in the 80s and 90s pretty much get close to this.

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        I mean, I have certainly wandered through many an abandonded, functionally cursed place when I was homeless for about 2 years.

        And I could have just brought a portable radio and randomly dialed through FM/AM stations, pausing for a few second on something stable, then going back to static.

        … but I didn’t need a radio to see the echoes of what had happened at the places I’d been.

        ‘Environmental Storytelling’ isn’t just a thing in video games.

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    They aren’t “powering everything”. JFC go lick a wall outlet, that’s what powers many things. WiFi is information, and indeed, they try to make it use less and less power.

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      It could power stuff. Tesla was working on it, and there have been a few small companies over the years that have done it.

      Just turns out that it’s not very practical compared to a wall socket.

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    Heard some conspiracy folks mention negative frequencies from 5G and the like. It’s just a phase I guess…

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    I do subscribe to a small comfort belief that our consciousness isn’t just encoded in our neurons but has a radiative component that constructively/destructively interferes with the environment on some small level we atttibute to random events, and that when we die, we sever only the somatic component of our consciousness but our radiative part lives on encoded into a wider network of ambient thought.

    Sort of like ghosts/an afterlife, but less moaning and chain rattling and more general vibing the emotion of a park bench from the overlapped thought networks that ever intersected it

    Might be in the wrong sub…

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      I think consciousness is more than just our neurons, it’s an active waveform riding and guided by them.

      Unfortunately, I don’t think it survives death. Without the underlying structure, it collapses to noise.

      Interestingly, our brains have special circuits, design to emulate others. In effect, our consciousness imprints onto theirs. It’s not the full pattern, and imperfect, but a part of us lives on in the consciousness of everyone who knows us.

      Like ripples in a pond. The water of the initial wave is no longer involved, but it has passed to others.

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        Interestingly, our brains have special circuits, design to emulate others. In effect, our consciousness imprints onto theirs. It’s not the full pattern, and imperfect, but a part of us lives on in the consciousness of everyone who knows us.

        I think this is a far better explained version of what I’m yammering on about. Echoes of yourself living on in other conscious beings, fragmented 1000fold into the general aether of all those you’ve interacted with

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          It’s useful to understand the mechanisms, it helps you to understand both what it can do, and its limitations. E.g. they can only mirror the parts they see or talk about. The parts of yourself that you hide away will be lost from their imperfect model.

          For more info, it generally falls under “mirror neurons”. They help us empathise with others. E.g. when we smile, certain mirror neurons start firing. When we see someone smile, the same ones fire. We feel the appropriate emotions because of this. They also fire preemptively. E.g. when you hear your mother yelling about the mess, even though you’ve lived alone for a decade.

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            Ah right. I guess I’m sort of implying that the hidden parts are also imprinted somehow too, through a vague hand-wavey mechanism that I’ve yet to define

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      What you are describing maps quite well to the Quantum Memory Model (accessible explanation here) of Physics. Certainly considering information a fundamental quantity that can neither be created nor destroyed is becoming a popular concept.

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      Cool, so you have evidence for this? Or do you routinely believe in outrageous things with zero evidence?

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        The latter, with a ‘s/routinely/rare/’

        I also have some curious thoughts about higher dimensional beings as well as some murmurs about what the rustling of trees might be a proxy for if you need the extra fodder, or just a fun drink in a pub somewhere

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    I only saw the top part of the picture at first, and I was very confused: “Why is this in Science Memes?”

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      That’s just what big WiFi wants you to think so they can sell you more WiFi
      Open your eyes sheeple! And also remember to buy my $499 online course on how to make the vibrations of your aura more positive or something

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    I don’t need to believe in Wi-Fi I just need to see that my phone is connected to the internet. The existence of Wi-Fi can be inferred by me having access to YouTube.

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    World appears to be solid/stable at first but on closer inspection is actually vibratory.

    It’s ok to have points of agreement. You don’t have to mock and bicker 100% of the time.

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      This is what I don’t like about the top meme, though. Like, yes, energy, frequency, and vibration are all things. Obviously. But the top meme is implying that everyone should believe that those things work in the specific ways that the woo practitioners say they do, and that’s a very different demand. More, it’s implying that people who doubt those effects are ignoring obvious evidence, when in fact the people who doubt those effects do so because nobody has been able to demonstrate reliable evidence for them. It has a nasty gaslighting overtone to it.

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        There’s not enough information in the top meme to know what theories it’s about.

        Things vibrate in a way that isn’t obvious to an unexamined view. If I look at a pebble, it appears to be non-vibratory, still. But a mystic or scientist who has really investigated it closely, exposed it to close analysis, can tell you that the reality of the pebble is vibration, not stillness.

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          I mean, it’s talking about people thinking that “energy, frequency and vibration are just mystical nonsense.” People don’t think that if you talk about an FM station broadcasting on a particular frequency, or about the frequency of light absorbed by particular atomic orbitals. They think that if you’re explaining that you’ve slept much better since you placed jasper and amethyst on the ley lines near your bed to absorb the negative frequencies.

          The implication in the meme that anyone who is using these terms cannot be indulging in mystical nonsense, because these terms can also apply to real things. In fact, though, mystic cranks have been coopting scientific terms for ages, and they show no signs of slowing down. It’s a real problem that people confuse crap with science.

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      People who believe in “auras” and actually think that thinking good thoughts in relation to a specific thing will affect it on any way are deserving of mockery.

      It’s religion for people who don’t like organized religion.

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        There are people who deny Reality is made of vibrations. They are absolutely deserving of kind & respectful correction, because it’s a wrong view.

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        You’re changing the subject to auras and telekinesis: not what was being discussed.

        What will the mockery get for you?

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          Hopefully the people mocked will adapt to social pressure and change their beliefs in order to fit in better. Bullying generally does work, even if it sucks. The only alternative is to simply murder the ones you disagree with and that sucks even more for multiple reasons, chiefly that right now numbers are against us.

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            Do you know this first-hand? Give us an example of a belief you hold primarily because of bullying.

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              I’d say every belief in the entirety of my socialization as a child was formed through bullying of some sort. You try something, people laugh, mock, beat, harass, it feels bad, your social brain says that was bad, you remember it because it feels bad, you adjust and don’t repeat to avoid feeling bad again.

              That’s how human communities select for behaviour.

              As an adult I’d say whether I like it or not I’ve become increasingly more tolerant of conservatives because of them shoving their shit down our throats everywhere. Things I’d consider so absurd they’re not worth the time of day are now ideas that seem almost sensible enough to warrant a rebuttal. I don’t like it, but they hold all the cards and make the rules and it works well for them, imo.

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        https://scienceinsights.org/do-humans-glow-the-science-of-our-bodys-invisible-light/

        The answer to whether humans glow is a definitive yes. Our bodies continuously emit a faint, steady light, a phenomenon known as Ultraweak Photon Emission (UPE), or biophotons. This glow is a byproduct of our fundamental biological processes, rendering it completely invisible to the naked eye. Unlike the dramatic, visible light produced by fireflies (bioluminescence), this subtle radiance provides scientists with a novel way to peer into the inner workings of cellular health and metabolism.

        https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2018/06/four-ways-human-mind-shapes-reality

        It might sound like a pseudoscientific fantasy, but the mind can shape health, behavior and maybe even society as a whole. Stanford researchers are bridging disciplines to understand what our minds can do and how they do it.

        https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/choosing-your-meditation-style/202512/why-thoughts-have-power

        what we expect, believe, and even feel profoundly alters how we experience the world. Put differently, the mind is not a passive observer. It is a predictive, generative, reality-filtering system—one that continually constructs the lens through which we live our daily experiences.

        How does it feel to be confidently wrong?

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          He wasn’t.

          You can’t see the biophotons.

          Humans have no way of detecting, experiencing them, without complex instruments.

          They do not factor in to any decision making activity in our brain, because we have no senses capable of receiving them as input.

          Read your own source.

          The way that people colloquially use ‘aura’ is as if they have some kind of magical ability to see things other people can’t, that indicate things about that aura-haver’s emotional or mental or spiritual state.

          They can’t, biophotons do none of that, they’re just a nearly undetectable form of light that’s emmitted by essentially anything that has an active metabolism, ie, is not dead.

          They’re just using a made-up concept to describe internal herusitics in their mind, ie, their intuition.

          Sure, they’ve used their mind in the way that your last two sources sort of hint at, but its a delusion, its failing to understand their own mind giving rise to a psuedo religious concept.

          The only reality, the only power in ‘auras’ as a concept is sociological, indirect, as a reference with no referent.

          Auras being a thing be people can see and use… that’s on the same level of ‘real’ as ‘Christ died for our sins’.

          If you mean to use a different definition of aura, as in just a glow of light, then sure, technically all living matter has an imperceptible aura.

          Could these UPEs play some kind of way into extremely short distance cellular interactions? Yes!

          But thats… not what people mean, 95% of the time, when they’re talking about a person’s aura.

          This is the whole problem of using woo woo terms.

          You can’t conflate two different meanings of words and then act like that is not what you are doing.

          You also should specify what you mean, in cases where a word has different meanings in different domains.

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            The whole thing about auras is that they’re not visibly perceptible either. Some people claim to be able to see them, but that’s a completely separate argument from the much more common belief that they exist.

            And according to science, they do exist. They can be detected with certain instruments and even reveal data about health and metabolism.

            Biophotons are an imperceptible glow of light that surround living organisms. Auras are an imperceptible glow of light that surround living organisms. Therefore, biophotons are auras.

            You can call bullshit on someone claiming to be able to see auras, but if you’re saying auras don’t exist because science calls them something different, then you’re simply wrong.

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              If you mean to use a different definition of aura, as in just a glow of light, then sure, technically all living matter has an imperceptible aura.

              Could these UPEs play some kind of way into extremely short distance cellular interactions? Yes!

              But thats… not what people mean, 95% of the time, when they’re talking about a person’s aura.

              This is the whole problem of using woo woo terms.

              You can’t conflate two different meanings of words and then act like that is not what you are doing.

              You also should specify what you mean, in cases where a word has different meanings in different domains.

              • Myself, from the comment you replied to.
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                So you decided to monopolize the meaning of the term as strictly something that you can point to as obviously wrong, and when I point out that that’s a mischaracterization you cite… yourself… as corroborating evidence.

                You go champ.