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Trump has no power to “decree” that voters must present ID or to end mail-in balloting. But that doesn’t mean he can’t at least try both. Under the Insurrection Act or some other dusty statute, he can declare a state of emergency. Then he can decide that said state permits, nay requires, him to take extraordinary measures. On October 5, say, that might mean outlawing early voting. By October 13, it might mean no mail-in voting. By October 29, a reminder that all voters must present ID to vote. And by Sunday, November 1, two days before the election—an announcement that all these “reasonable” measures have alas failed, and he is now forced, against his will, to postpone the election.
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It’s the Austin Powers steamroller joke. For some reasons, nothing can be done even though there is plenty of time.
Plenty of time? You mean 3 like elections and attempted coup later? You’re pretty hard on americans, how could they have seen this coming?
“planning”
I’d say it’s already done. No one with any power has the balls to remove him.
No one with any power has the balls to remove him.
Those with the power to remove him are benefitting financially and have no incentive to remove him.
All those guns and bullets and “don’t tread on me” but yet so flaccid.
Every person that has ever tried to assassinate him has been a republican, they’re just incredibly dumb about it.
Back in 2024, Kamala Harris and the Democrats struggled to convince voters that a second Donald Trump term would constitute a serious threat to democracy. We can debate the effectiveness of her, and their, rhetoric. But on a certain level, it was a hard argument to make because it was hypothetical.
On what planet was it hypothetical.
Honestly. It’s like everyone’s still using fucking Windows. Fuck levels critical.
He couldn’t have made his intentions any clearer. I think people just figured the Senate, SCOTUS and the DOJ would keep him in check. They didn’t see him taking control of those to this extent.
Now people are about to find out just how much control he has over the military.
Frankly, I don’t really blame people for having faith in the guardrails. Generally speaking, whenever any truly progressive legislation (often labeled as “extremism”) has been pushed forward, those guardrails have come up real quick. I understand why people thought that that would hold true for extremism in any direction. But it… well, doesn’t.
I think with the DOGE data (it was always about access to all the mainframes) and Palantir’s AI, it’s perfectly possible to know who will be loyal and who not. From the top of the miltary to the last redneck in Dumbville.
If I was in the States, I wouldn’t be writing these things here.I had hoped that even the maga members of Congress still had enough spine and self respect to put the rule of law over the promise of power, influence, and the ability to shape their christo-facist state. What a naive fool.
It’s like people don’t understand what happened and almost happened on J6.
If all fails he’ll definitely do this again.
edit : grammar 🫣
I mean, before he become president the first time he literally said that he would only accept the results if he wins.
I too hate how obvious and predictable it all was but people finally getting it is surprisingly also very annoying.
He also said that if he was elected we would never have to vote again…
He can “say”, “declare” and “decree” things all he wants, but for that to do anything requires that people up and down the system go along with it. Sure people with in the executive branch might even be legally obligated to do certain things if he tells them to, with in certain limits.
But most of the voting infrastructure is outside the federal executive, so it would require that a huge amount of local officials and administrators go along with that, some might be ideologically inclined to do so, but are there actually enough to overcome a groundswell of dissent?
“Oh he’ll just use ICE to bully them in to doing it” there literally are not enough ice agents for that to be even remotely practical. “Well they’ll just hire and deputize more” They’re trying to but they can’t get enough people in the door, and a lot of the people they have aren’t getting payed. Are they really gonna stick their necks out to help him break the law when he’s not even paying them?
This is not a masterful plan from an evil genius. This is a in denial old naracasist in way over his head surrounded by yes men who are saying what he want’s to hear so they can keep their positions and continue stealing everything that isn’t nailed down. It’s not that he doesn’t want to steal the election, it’s that he lacks the capacity to do so, and the people he’s surrounded him self with are not competent enough to build that capacity.
nobody has stopped him yet
What a nonsensical statement. It’s not about anyone “stopping him”, Everyone just need to not collaborate. Not nearly enough people are collaborating with him for anything he’s suggesting to be practical.
Democrats couldn’t resist letting trump run again.
Non-voters couldn’t resist letting him win again.
I have no idea why you were downvoted. If it weren’t for the tRUMP voters AND the non/protest voters then the orange child rapist wouldn’t have won.
(Though all that could’ve been avoided if biden had pushed for prosecutions on the insurrection stuff and top secret documents stuff almost immediately. Instead he tried the old route of “it’s time to heal”, which NEVER works. NEVER.)
He’s being downvoted because this was the democrats’ race to lose and they lost it spectacularly. Don’t blame non-voters for not turning up for the candidate that said “shut up about the genocide that we support and that i intend to confine to support”
Or for a party that abandons every campaign promise other than “things will not fundamentally change.”
The Democrats could try a little leadership for god’s sake. The top level comment blames the party, the comment you responded to blames the people. That’s why it’s downvoted, I think.
I see, thank you.
Because it’s not a very compelling theory that people particularly say this one out over various reasons. The turnout was actually above average by a few percent. It also assumes that most of those non voters would have gone against Trump. Which is far from assured
But that arrogant brown lady laughed funny.
It takes more guts than brains to comment this in a post about voter suppression.
Think you can push it a bit more and blame the people who are currently in Trump’s concentration camps or deported for not voting this election?
Was the 2020 coup attempt too tough to figure out?
If that’s NOT another reason to study and read socialist theory, then I don’t know what is. Seriously! https://redsails.org/
Trump doesn’t get to say shit about how the States run their elections. Even if he “Hereby Do Dee-clares it.”
He isn’t technically able to do most of the stuff he does do. He just does it, and then time passes and then it gets declared retroactively illegal… but it still happened. He’ll probably get punished at some point… right?
The states run elections, lease the voting places and employ all the staff.
Unless the federal govt replaces all of them, just waving a chicken leg around and declaring stuff won’t do anything.
Or you know he could put ice officers outside strategic polls and block anyone he doesnt like from entering.
We both outnumber and out-gun ICE by an absolutely astounding margin. ICE posts at our polling places, ICE gets crushed.
And theyre still running rampant and killing us citizens. Hows that armed resistence working out for you.
There hasn’t been much of one yet, because many people don’t feel personally threatened. They will feel threatened if ICE is blocking access to their polling place though.
That’s true. The states can constitutionally tell him to go fuck himself. But I read a key phrase in another article that I tried to find and can’t, to the effect that his plan involves ally states.
So lets say all but five states tell him to fuck himself and hold their elections. Five do not. They have just thrown the entire election and its results into massive constitutional confusion, with lawsuits for years to come while he just sits up there shitting his Depends and grinning. And it would work: whatever anyone says should be the answer, someone else will sue over.
Elections are a huge power grab for anyone who wants even a little power. No one is going to let their piece of the pie go easily, whether that means holding an election or not holding an election, or fighting those who want the opposite, in court, forever.
All he has to do is introduce confusion, and then it will be up to SCOTUS to decide.
And SCOTUS is as corrupt as the day is long.
He and Pete Hegseth have no legal say in how the Scouts should run their affairs, too, but see what happened today?
Trump says a lot of stupid crap. What you do is ignore him. Or say, “no” to him. But never give up without a fight.
Its the difference of the courts stopping something vs making something happen. They can’t really do either, so anything that Trump doesn’t actually have a lever of power to pull to make something won’t happen. At least not to the extent he demands.
Can anyone tell me what’s the big deal with voter ID? It’s a standard in EU, Noone complains about it there.
A current example is states invalidating all Trans people’s IDs during a primary election. That’s happening right now.
Also - getting an ID is expensive and time consuming in the US. The cliche of spending 4 hours in line at the DMV to get a license even though you made an appointment ahead of time isn’t an exaggeration, and applies to getting an ID as well. The reality is most people won’t spend the time and money to do it just so they can vote every 2 or 4 years - especially people who can’t afford to take a day off work and travel to do it.
But people will do it so they can drive their car every day - so people with IDs are more likely to have more money.
And for people who have driver’s licenses that fall on hard times it’s also a problem, because they stop paying for insurance (invalidates driver’s license), lose their car (keeps them from paying for insurance or renewing license), or even lose their home (address change invalidates license). These are not people who can take a day to go pay to vote. And that’s exactly what they’d be doing, because the new ID card they’d be buying would strictly be for voting. Aside from the cost of the ID, when I updated my DL in June I had to travel 80 miles round trip, and the process took about 7 hours - and I had a car to speed things up.
So it’s effectively pay-to-vote system that only applies to poor people. People with money can vote for free through “motor voter” registration by checking a box when getting or renewing their driver’s license.
In the US, there is no free option for public ID. Voting is a right. You are required to prove identity at the time of registration, which can be done using your birth certificate.
Essentially, the push for photo ID is a way to disenfranchise poor people, women and trans people, and other groups who may for whatever reason not have easy access to an “acceptable” ID.
Historically our courts have found that creating a financial barrier to voting is a violation of the constitution. The current Supreme Court, staffed entirely by far-right activists rather than serious jurists, is far less likely to rule that way, so anti-democracy folks are pushing to establish a new precedent before the court can be reformed.
The idea of not having a government issued photo ID in the US is inane to me. I didn’t know it wasn’t a basic thing as a us citizen.
It is for most people. But most people aren’t all.
In my experience in an EU country, sufficient ID was also provided freely by the government (eg a social security card).
This is not something in the US that is free. ID must also be a photo ID. So let’s say you have a job where you work 7 days a week and take the bus because you don’t have a driver’s license. To get sufficient ID you must then: take unpaid time off of work, get to an office that issues ID, pay like $20 for such an ID… All to have the opportunity to exercise the right to vote.
This is both a tax and an unreasonable burden, effectively disenfranchising millions of poor people.
This is solvable though, if the government issues free IDs and sets something up to facilitate people getting their photos taken. However that would never be executed effectively, nor would people support paying the costs.
You omitted that in the US, employment is largely “at will”, which means even taking a few hours off work, even asking for that, can result in that person being fired, and many won’t take that risk.
In Germany you do not need a ID to vote. Every citizen gets a voting invitation per mail which is a notification saying when and where to vote. It is also a single use “voting ticket”, as instead of a ID.
Legally, the people in the polling station may require you to show ID. It’s just never done.
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You’re not wrong in most of what you’ve said but equally in the EU you got to apply for one and pay for it, and an ID card is ~40€. Passport is a bit more. But yeah you could actually take your own passport photo with a mobile as long as it fullfills a few requirements. Most people just use a photographer who sends them directly to the police and then you just go online and pay and wait a few weeks and get your ID in the mail.
But yeah I know how different it is in the US especially because it affects different populations differently.
in Belgium it is fairly painless. it’s possible to take time off for admin. and life here is really difficult without one. it’s essential.
Yeah I wouldn’t know about that aspect, the only time I’ve ever had a “normal schedule” were in the army and a few months of day shift as a taxi driver. And if I had to do something in the middle of the day I just did it between fares.
So I don’t I now if people working 8-16 in Finland take personal days but it’s possible at least. Not that it’s even necessary for most I think. There’s not many places you still have to physically go to to apply to things and whatnot. Mostly online.
$20 once every like 10 years is unreasonable?
For an ID? No. For voting? Yes. Having to pay anything for voting is a problem. Just as having to stand in line all day, thus paying by not earning, is a major problem.
Government photo ID is required for a lot of reasons, not just for voting. But yeah pretty weird that we have to miss work* to stand in line all day to get one, and that we have to PAY for this thing the government requires us to have. Like social security cards are required in USA too but I’m pretty sure we don’t have to pay for those.
I think the reason govt photo ID’s cost $20-ish is because originally they were a Driver’s License, which is a privilege to have, not a requirement, so we pay for that privilege. And the place we get that photo ID is at the motor vehicle office / department of motor vehicles.Then over the years the motor vehicle office started offering government photo ID’s for people who DON’T drive too. But for some reason those ID cards cost $20-ish too which is a bit extortionate since there isn’t even a driving privilege associated with that. Government-issued photo ID’s are REQUIRED so should be free like social security cards are.
*Don’t really have to miss work. Just go there on a day you’re not scheduled to work. Not fun to spend a day off at the motor vehicles office but c’est la vie.
It’s an extremely small cost for ensuring most important democratic process is untampered. The opposition for voter ID check is completely unreasonable
Believing that everyone can find money for an ID is extremely privileged.
I have had students who couldn’t put together the equivalent 15USD, without a month’s notice. In the US you have entire families being homeless, we don’t.
Well that’s great, since next elections are far more than one month away. You just made an argument that even poor students can afford it
I also made the argument that you shouldn’t have to pay to vote, but you don’t like to respond to that. Only that you, through your immense intellectual powers, have found the logical loophole, that made me debate whether I should even make my comment.
Is the age of your account an indication of your intent to troll, or do you care to explain, why it’s OK to require people to pay to vote? Not why it’s not unaffordable, but why it’s OK to require payment to vote.
Except that it’s already secure. There are monitors, studies, and statistics to back the fact that illegally voting is a statistically nonexistent problem. The number of such cases is vanishingly small. There is no problem that needs solving here. It’s just assholes like yourself trying to impose their will on the law.
In the USA the issuing of IDs will be made deliberately difficult enough to discourage cartain demographics in a way that favours Republicans. For example, it may carry a fee so poor people are discouraged, it may require your birth name and gender so trans people are discouraged, it will require birth certificates and marriage certificates so immigrants and women are discouraged. The whole thing will be used to erode the numbers of non-white-male voters and this disproportionately boost the right.
Kansas Republicans just invalidated the driving licenses of trans people overnight with no warning. We can expect the same kind of political shenanigans with Real ID.
People in the English-speaking countries generally don’t have government issued ID beyond a driver’s license. That’s also true for the UK. Historically, ID cards are connected to military conscription. The UK could rely on the Navy for defense and did not maintain vast land armies like the continental nations. Political initiatives to introduce ID cards are usually rejected by voters as totalitarian overreach.
The former slave states in the US have a history of using procedural rules to exclude blacks from voting. After the end of slavery, there was formally equality before the law. So, laws were created to maintain the status quo that were non-discriminatory on their face. EG literacy tests. This not only targeted blacks who were denied an education. Administering such tests was fully in the hands of local elites. They could be made arbitrarily hard to black people, while politically reliable white illiterates could be excused.
In addition to the bullshit “count the number of bubbles in this bar of soap” tests, the IDs required to vote are not free, making this a form of poll tax, which is illegal in the United States.
We have it in Canada too, and it’s generally not a big deal… But that’s likely because both our governments are doing it in good faith to ensure who shows up is the actual person on that voter card
The problem with the US is that they do not operate in good faith and use voter id laws to target people they do not want to vote, it’s the same bullshit as putting a single polling station in minority districts with 10+ hr wait times (and criminal penalties of you give someone standing in line a bottle of water) and plenty of polling stations throughout the suburbs where you can be in and out in under 5 minutes.
It’s not really about the id, it’s about “fuck you”
Pedolini is at war with everyone
Back in 2024, Kamala Harris and the Democrats struggled to convince voters that a second Donald Trump term would constitute a serious threat to democracy.
I don’t think anyone in the political space failed to recognize it as an existential threat; its that Harris didn’t campaign as if it was an existential threat.
If it was such an existential threat, why would you actively disenfranchise your base?
If it was such an existential threat, why would you say things like “I would do nothing fundamentally different than the current administration”, when the administration was DEEPLY unpopular?
If it was such an existential threat, why did you spend 1.5 billion dollars trying to court voters which you have never been able to get, specifically by elevating some of the least popular voices within their own party (eg, Liz Cheney and Republican voters)?
Nothing about how the Harris campaign operated beyond selecting Walz as VP demonstrated that they recognized Trump as an existential threat to Democracy. Voices were, in the course of the campaign, CLAMORING, for them to do better. They didn’t listen and they chose the approaches they did.
Because they didn’t realize how many idiotic left leaning Americans there are.
Because they didn’t realize how many
idiotic left leaningreactionary centrists Americans there are.ftfy.
They knew that their base wouldn’t turn out for a candidate who supported a genocide. They decided to run one anyways. They thought making sure Israel could continue its genocide was more important than winning against Trump. But yeah sure blame the people who aren’t sociopaths.
They knew that their base wouldn’t turn out for a candidate
Bro, we are not their base.
Sounds like you should really study your theory. Seriously! https://redsails.org/
Is this title suggesting that the only good Republican is a dead Republican? It sounds like this title is suggesting that the only good Republican is a dead Republican. I wonder if the only good Republican is a dead Republican. I’m going to need to think on whether the only good Republican is a dead Republican. Does anyone else have any thoughts on whether the only good Republican is a dead Republican to help me contemplate on whether the only good Republican is a dead Republican?
You’re right mein leader!
Jan 6th happened once, it can happen again…
J6 was a trial run.
They learned their lessons and they will do something else to usurp the democratic process. And this time it will work.
A trial run without guns, at that.
This time they will be heavily armed and won’t wait until people have voted.
They’ll have ICE and other federal oppression agencies preventing eligible voters from exercising their rights.
Primarily nonwhite people and people who have ever been observed protesting injustice, but no vote is safe under fascism.
Except with the good guys leading the charge
That’s my point
Y’all need another south/north civil war, then invent other political parties
It was clear since at least November but reporting this 9 months before election is still pretty impressive. Mainstream media will probably wait till December.
