• FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
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    15 hours ago

    How the foxtrot do you accidentally invade Mexico? What they mean is they committed another act of abuse and then said they didn’t mean it

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      The article claims that changes in water lines resulted in altered perceptions of the border line. As if international borders are hallucinogenic in some way? IDK

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        Sorry to tell you, but international borders absolutely are hallucinations. Grant you, not hallucinogenic, but they’re absolutely flights of fancy.

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      Militaries accidentally invade each other all the time.

      Usually, they back right out and let the other country know, they don’t use boats to get around visible border controls and plant a sign in other country though.

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      They also said unauthorized access or photography was not allowed in that area and that ‘if you are found here, you may be detained and searched.’ Mexico’s foreign affairs ministry said its navy removed the signs from the sand, which it believed were on Mexican territory."

      That’s the result they wanted.

      It’s Mexico, clear as day, but Mexico just waffled on it and said they “believed” it was Mexico.

      They’ll take a page out of Israel’s playbook and start saying “until we figure this out, it’s a buffer zone”. Then just keep expanding it and not obstructing Americans from “settling” there, once they’re established, then it’s obviously America because why else would Americans be living there?

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        You might be reading too much into that. The article stated Mexico’s naval personnel removed them as the personnel acted on the information they had. I would highly doubt they were going to go to great lengths to confirm the exact coordinates of the boarder.

        Do I think that’s what the Americans were trying to do? Yes. But Mexico didn’t waffle it.

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          What??

          This wasn’t a random place, it’s a fucking beach with people who go there routinely…

          What “great lengths” did you think it would take to determine which side of Trump’s ridiculous fence this was on?

          You think people that live and work right next to the border, are unsure about where the border is?

          You think it’s something you can accidentally wander across?

          Mexico knew that beach was theirs, but when pushed they said it might be instead of saber rattling that America just tried to seize a fucking landinghead

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            You’re making a mountain out of a molehill.

            Mexico waffled nothing. They removed the signs. The statement of believe or not isnt consequential.

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              You think a hostile nation’s military headed by a demented narcissist showing up on another country’s sovereign soil and placing signs that it belongs to a different country…

              Is a molehill?

              Buddy, if you don’t understand why something is serious, I’d highly advise you to ask questions instead of loudly proclaim it’s not a big deal

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                The molehill is your focus on the word believe

                The serious part is the US just waltzing into a foreign country planting signs and Mexico removing them

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                  The molehill is your focus on the word believe

                  If I walked up and took a sandwich out of you hand and ate, would you say:

                  I believe that’s my sandwich

                  And expect me to give it back? Or anyone to help you?

                  Or do you think:

                  You just stole my sandwich

                  Would be more effective?

                  You’re acting like this is one isolated incident with zero consequences…

                  And I readily admit, I over estimate people’s critical thinking abilities, but it seems very clear with how Israel and Russia treat borders, and how chummy with them trump is, that this could very likely be the start of the same behavior.

                  But like I said, I often think shit is ridiculously obvious just to find out other people just can’t connect the dots.

                  I’ll never understand why people get so belligerent instead of just asking questions till they understand.

                  Can you at least tell me why you didn’t want to ask questions when you ran into something you didn’t understand?

                  It’s a widespread issue, and I legitimately want some insight into your choices here.

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          A boarder is someone who lives in your house. A border is what separates countries.

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        Generally unwise to escalate on stupidity. Don’t give the US any more reasons to double down on war.

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          That’s right, when a foreign army invades your country, don’t escalate, just give them control of your government and your institutions.

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            If they leave immediately in shame like they just did, then yeah, leave them alone. FFS you guys have no concept of diplomacy.

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    Bah. I accidentally invaded America during Basic training. The other side of that long swathe of clearing was cooler, so we walked there.

    Wow, did we get in trouble when we all found out we actually invaded.

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      Did you hammer signs into the ground claiming that territory for your country? Had your country recently made military threats against American sovereignty, and had your country’s military recently killed 76 citizens of a country near America in extrajudicial slayings while claiming that they were doing the same things you’re threatening America over?

      It’s hardly a similar situation to that right now. Tensions are high, America is a serious threat.

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        Mexico and Venezuela are approximately one Mexico away from each other. They aren’t really that near to one another. The rest of your point stands but the Americas are really fucking big.

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          The similarity lies in what accusations the Americans are slinging, not their physical proximity.

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      I’d suggest that wandering over a border by accident and then back again wouldn’t really be considered an invasion…