As an exmuslim, I’m disappointed in this comment section.
islam is NOT your friend. Simping for it just shows that you’re either ignorant or you’re hypocrite with not prinicples. islam, as an ideology is so unbelievably vile that it’s a very strong contender for being the worst ideology in history. Pedophilia, sex slavery, rape, misogyny, wife beatings, normal slavery, genocide, terrorism, homophobia, violent colonialism, apartheid governance, censorship, intentional discrimination and hatred, and barbaric capital punishment are all explicitly allowed and encouraged in the islamic scriptures.
This is not just me making things up, I can literally show you either verses from the quran, sahih hadiths, or both explicitly allow and encourage every single one of these. I’m against bigotry and bigots, however, I am also against those who cover for them. In this case, islam is just as bigoted, if not more bigoted, than the person in the post, and the people covering for islam aren’t any better. I will always stand tall and proud on the side of people who exercise their right to free speech to criticize islam, and expose the religion for what it is, despite the dangers of doing so.
Pedophilia, sex slavery, rape, misogyny, wife beatings, normal slavery, genocide, terrorism, homophobia, violent colonialism, apartheid governance, censorship, intentional discrimination and hatred, and barbaric capital punishment are all explicitly allowed and encouraged in the islamic scriptures.
so the same as every other abrahamic religion?
Sounds like Christianity to me! Judging by the bible that I read 4 times. Literally my second most read book.
I find it very frustrating how islam, and only islam, gets excused for all the shit it has. There will always be someone rushing in to defend it with type of pointless nonsense. islam is bad on its own merits, you don’t need to defend on meaningless generalizations. Just because other religions have their own shitty verses that does NOT excuse, justify, or negate what’s in islam. People can and should criticize it on its own for what it is.
there is nothing in the quran that is any more problematic than things mentioned in the bible ane torah. your racism is showing
I’m literally Arab and ex muslims, calling me a racist for criticizing islam doesn’t make me racist, it makes you a complete idiot.
lol
Thank you for your perspective, I feel like I hear a lot about exMormon and exCatholic but not much about exIslam
*ex Muslim
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I didn’t realise Muslims were responding to shit like this with “we’re not vampires with garlic idiot.” But I like it.
Its always jarring to see bigots disgrace just the Quran and Islam.
I’d argue fundamentalist Christians and Christian Zionists follow a nearly identical ideology and commit nearly identical atrocities as any radical Islamic Jihadist.
I’ve always said both Christianity and Islam are my enemy. Both science denying, sexist, power hungry institutions with a penchant for fucking kids. The only difference, in the West, is that Christianity was made to bend the knee a long time ago. I think Islam still needs that lesson.
Regardless, fuck them both. Sky daddy worshipping death cults.
The only difference, in the West, is that Christianity was made to bend the knee a long time ago
My dude, are you seeing what’s happening in the US? What types of people are most passionately supporting Israel?
Shit, are you seeing the rampant rise of the far right accross Europe and Australia and some of their biggest backers?
That shit ain’t happening because of Muslims. The Christian Jihadists are back and are making serious gains.
Tehran in the 1970s would have been a beautiful way to show how modern lifestyles and islamic culture could co-exist, much in the same way that Christianity was treated in the West all the way up to 2015.
Ah well, I guess there’s still Istanbul, and I guess the West can still potentially pull themselves away from the right-wing christian fundamentalism they’re currently embracing
Yeah this worries me a lot at the minute. There’s a concerted effort to push christianity back in front of the levers of power and it disgusts me. I mean, have you ever tried to read the bible? It’s complete nonsense (nonce-sense?).
Tehran in the 1970s would have been a beautiful way to show how modern lifestyles and islamic culture could co-exist
Celebrating the Shah’s Iran for it’s secularism is a bit like celebrating Guantanamo Bay, Cuba for it’s capitalism.
I thought that happened in '79
The Shah of Iran couped the democratic government in 1953 and enacted a brutal military dictatorship that was not overthrown until '79.
oh, sorry. I just saw some hippie photos from the 70s and assumed it was a liberal/secular place around then until 79
It’s a big country. There’s corners that are still liberal/secular today and there’s corners that have never been.
But there’s a hagiography around the dictatorship that suggests a few women in bikinis on the beach represented the entire social state of the Shah’s reign. You don’t see pictures of the torture dungeons or the armed insurgents or the clashes between police and civilians published regularly in Western media.
You’ll grow up from that phase.
Not sure, I’m nearly 40. Felt this way since I was old enough to have an opinion. But I hear that sentiment a lot, as religious people think being a cultist is a default position… its not. Kids are just indoctrinated.
I’m an atheist but I realized like 5 years ago that sweeping generalisations are problematic and often the result of being indoctrinated, religiously or through social media.
A lot of them would have you imprisoned if they had your way. It’s become painfully obvious to me, especially with everything happening with the yank christofascists, that there are a lot of religious wackos out there kept in check by secularism. They’d had you under the boot heel in a second if they could.
I never understood the base level of acceptance theism has when they keep doing evil things, every time they get power. Religion isn’t your friend.
Both science denying, sexist, power hungry institutions with a penchant for fucking kids.
Religious institutions have been at the foundation of modern scientific scholarship for centuries. Meanwhile, merely avoiding a formal religious indoctrination does nothing to improve your education or steer you clear of superstition.
And there’s no shortage of apostate child fuckers. Epstein’s island had academics and influencers of every stripe.
Christianity was made to bend the knee a long time ago
To the secular financial system, where all the child fucking happens.
Tbf the problem was always race rather than religion.
Well yeah. Hate directed towards Muslims is 99% hate against brown people in a thinly veiled disguise.
Well Islam is an offshoot of Christianity, so it makes sense that they’re basically the same thing.
I’d argue fundamentalist Christians and Christian Zionists follow a nearly identical ideology
Literally identical bibliography up to a point. The Bible is a sacred text within Islam as well (although not in any condition an American evangelical could stomach reading, on account of it not being in English).
It’s the interpretation that drives a wedge between them. Muslims recognize Jesus as a prophet, but reject the Nicean Creed (just like Jews).
commit nearly identical atrocities
The idea that religion causes atrocities requires a particular blindness to cataclysmic violence during secular eras. It’s not religion that’s getting Dems and Repubs alike to sponsor the Israeli genocide of Palestine, for instance. This is entirely rooted in the geopolitics of the oil trade through the Suez Canal.
Fear, bigotry, misinformation, and the mass hysteria of modern warfare are fully decoupled from secular traditions. Atheists like Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens have been as zealous in their advocacy of this barbarism as dogmatic Catholics and Muslims, like Pope Francis and Salman al-Dayah have been advocates for peace.
The idea that you can eliminate war through apostasy went out the window 60 years ago, during the height of the Soviet Era. War has an entirely materialist causation.
You can at least draw a picture of Jesus without being murdered.
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You can draw a picture of Mohammed without being murdered. Do it now. I promise you you’ll be fine.
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There never has existed any rules in Christianity about drawing Jesus in any way being a no no. Shitty comparison.
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The fundamentalist Christians of the USA disappeared someone because they had a meme of fat JD Vance. The same people who turn around and tell the country God is king and Christians are facing genocide from a nonexistent communist deep state. Same ones who fully support Israel’s genocide in Palestine and emperial war to make Greater Israel so the Christian version of the apocalypse can begin.
So no, the world isn’t safe from radical Christians. We’re actually more in danger now than we have been in quite some time.
Didn’t say it was. But I can think of a few dead cartoonist that might have a different view.
Both relgion need to go. But seeing people Islam because they hate christans more pisses me off.
I’m not defending Islam.
I’m saying we’re fooling ourselves if we’re suggesting that radical Christians aren’t a colossal threat just as radical Muslims are.
In many ways, they’re actually a greater threat to the West because they hold power here. Muslims generally don’t, in comparison.
And again, I invite you to see the source of so many of Israel’s weapons they use to commit genocide and illegally attack their neighbors.
Its widely Christian Zionists in America.
I get that. But I feel like people want to pretend that Islam is better are being willfully ignorant
Also thar picture is from the Afghanistan war.
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I don’t know who this woman is but I love her. Calmly disassembling this douchnozzle’s attempt at desecration.
I’m reminded of a case here in the UK a few years back where bigots left something like 200 bacon sandwiches on the doorstep of a mosque. The next day the mosque released a statement to the press thanking the unknown people for their kind donation and that the local non-Muslim homeless population had very much appreciated the sandwiches that the people at the mosque had distributed to them.
I don’t. I feel like this is a dog whistle for Muslims to take action. Preformative at best, violent at worst.
Lol the best part is that she forces them to learn something.
Wait, is it true that you have to burn a Quran if you’re going to dispose of it? I’d like to know the reasoning behind that, I bet it’s interesting. Or is she just trolling the troll?
The US flag code requires burning. Cremation is a thing. Burning is a respectful way to dispose of things in a lot of cultures.
Burial is also considered acceptable, AFAIK
Flag is a pretty good comparison. Burning is the recommended disposal method, but people want to ban it and/or get very upset when it’s burned
In my country (eu) it’s illegal to burn the national flag. It’s also illegal to burn a picture of the king (offence to the crown), and making a post like this but with a bible would be considered ‘offence to the religious sentiments’ (this is only for catholics, the feelings of other believers be damned).
Yeah, there are a lot of reasons that I oppose laws against burning or defacing things as part of a protest by default and those are some examples of why.
If done as part of an implicit threat, like buring with chants about committing violence it should count as part of the threating message, but not by itself as a symbol of defiance or to just cause offense.
SCOTUS has previously ruled that burning the American flag is protected speech, but I believe they have upheld (or just not heard cases against) state laws that burning crosses is hate speech or threatening speech (which are not protected.)
Yes, SCOTUS has consistently ruled that threats of violence are different than protesting.
Burning a cross on someone’s lawn is an implicit threat of future violence because that is the only historical use of burning crosses on someone’s lawn. Burning a flag in a public space is saying you disagree with the government, which is a protest.
Burning a cross in America is not a message that you hate Christians. It’s deeply associated with the racist organization the ku klux klan and their extrajudicial murders of black people.
So yeah you can do the thing associated with being mad at a country but not the thing associated with “get your melinated skin in line as per our beliefs or we kill your entire family”
It’s still wild to me that in 2025 democracies allow themselves to have royalty. What a farce!
Catholic monarchy… Spain?
Ding ding!
It does strike me as being more respectful than just tossing it in the garbage.
They used to reuse books too, so it prevents someone from coming along and covering up the word of God with homicidal rabbits
You called?
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Burial, a body of running water or burning appear to be the proper ways of disposal of a damaged or old Quran.
So I can just fling it in a creek?
No, you have to do some additional steps like wrapping it in additional material or putting flowers or something that involves throwing even more stuff into the creek to show you care.
If you only throw one thing it is littering. If you throw a bunch of stuff in a predetermined way it is being respectful.
Interesting fact: any paper containing the word “allah” can’t be thrown away or disposed of using any other method than burning. That’s why Quran has to be burned.
This is done to prevent the text from coming into contact with “Nagasat” (impurities), which include but aren’t limited to: human waste, sperm, mensural blood, most bodily fluids in general, dog saliva, spirits/drinkable alcohol, swine meat/fat/anything, decomposing garbage, etc.
I think I got most of them but I’m not 100% sure.
Now, if your name actually contains the word, then you’re stuck here with me having to burn receipts and whatnot for your entire life.
In my particular sect of Islam (I’m no longer practising), we dispose of religious texts by putting them in still water, at least until the ink dissolves and the paper turns to mush. In other places, for example certain places in Pakistan, the only valid disposal is by burying, leading to massive caves filled with millions of Qurans and other religious texts.
Can you cut the paper in half so that you no longer have a piece of paper with the word “Allah” on it?
You probably could but not everyone will
does that mean that if any book, mentions allah, even in as a passing mention, has to be disposed by cremation? or that rule only applies to specific religious texts?
Anything. Like if someone wrote my name and phone number on a piece of paper they have to burn it when they’re done with it.
so if a pulp fiction novel mentioned allah somewhere, does it has to be treated specially?
Most Arabic literature avoids using the word outright unless it’s dedicated to the topic. Even Islamic books often refer to god by other names (e.g the creator, the merciful, the god of gods)
Fictional books are even less likely to use the word.
What happens if someone writes blasphemies against Allah, citing him by name, on a piece of paper? Does that still merit all the pomp and ceremony, or can it be thrown in the bin?
Stupid thought exercise
What about different media
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Stone. Can a just send a Muslim I don’t like huge cement blocks with the word allah edged into them and they will have to keep them as there is no save way to discard them
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Digital. The servers of sh.itjust.works now contain the word allah. Does the word come into contact with the pictures of dog shit that are also saved on the server. Is it OK to delete the servers or will they need to be burned down as well
- What if someone shouts “Allah!” very loudly through a speaker and the vibrating air, which is now carrying the word “Allah”, touches the butts of two gay men having gay sex gayly. Has the perspn who shouted committed a sin by not acoustically isolating the sacred name from gay tushies?
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I was curious as well so I looked it up. Cornell does list burning as an acceptable method of disposing the Koran. Other methods include burial (but at a respectful place), sinking it in a river, and shredding.
There was one historical context where it was disposed that way under supervision of prophet’s old friends and religious leaders.
I do also remember my religious studies teacher saying it’s permitted as “just throwing to dump is more disrespectful,” however you MUST not have bad intentions.
Also not all Muslims took religious studies in middleschool curricilum and a lot of topics are debatable so people will get mad regardless. All muslims won’t simply be “cool with it.”
Hope this helps!
It does help, thanks a lot!
She is pretending the Muslims are ok with it and he is just being silly and juvenile and no one cares, but in reality Muslims have already rioted and murdered several people for it.
I think even the Bible can be burned.
Hold on, I’ll go test.
A few religions require burning of sacred texts and objects as the method of disposing of them. Its prevalent in Hinduism and Buddhism.
What’s amazing is that people have time to mind other people’s business.
Bigots are cringe
Religion is also cringe
Male supremacists are also cringe.
Eh, all religion is just cancer.
why is it that people say “all religions are bad” whenever a post involving islam shows up, but not when there’s a Christmas post, or is a picture of Easter bunnies…
nice dogwhistle you got in there
Well what people are always going on about the paedophiles in the church. It’s like the first thing anyone ever comments whenever Christianity ever comes up.
Your just been selectively death when it comes to criticism.
example:
no one mentions anything about pedos or"religions are cancer"
even though Christianity and Christian lore is the main focus of that post
Because Christmas is a holiday and Islam is a religion? Christmas wasn’t even Christian until it was coopted by the Catholic Church. Many atheists celebrate it cause it’s more of a cultural holiday too. What an incredibly silly and disingenuous comparison.
it’s always so funny, when people try to explain that Christ mass is not a Christian thing.
just because it has influences from cultures it engulfed it doesn’t mean that the holiday meant to celebrate Christ isnt Christian.
Whoa you got me by ignoring every point 🤡
I call bullshit on atheists celebrating Christmas.
If you celebrate it you’re Christian, feel free to call yourself cultural Christian or atheist Christian. but celebrating Christmas is a Christian thing.
I don’t believe in God and still celebrate my Jewish holidays, and I call myself an atheist jew, a common thing in Judaism.
I mean… the Japanese who as a nation are mostly non-Christian and don’t know much about it beyond pop culture, celebrate Christmas. I mean it’s a couple’s holiday there, but they do all the superficial things around it. Plenty of non-Christians celebrate Christmas the way that many people celebrate Halloween. It’s just a fun little tradition cooped because a dominant culture enjoys it and doesn’t care too much if you don’t adhere to the heart, but just the ritual of it.
There are plenty of people who don’t know the first thing about what Christmas actually is that celebrate it.
and I call myself an atheist jew, a common thing in Judaism.
I don’t think it makes sense to equivocate Jewish identity with Christianity, because Christianity is a universal religion, not an ethnic religion. Atheists I know who celebrate Christian holidays don’t consider themselves Christian, Christianity is considered to be about the belief system, not the culture surrounding it. Any remaining Christian influence is treated more like a cultural tradition than a religious event. The way Christmas is celebrated in the ones I’ve been to, you could simply change the name and it would then be a completely secular feast. It’s derived from (not influenced by!) a pagan event, so most of its core features aren’t even related to Christianity in the first place, not even the date. Christianity is surprisingly arbitrary in Christmas.
Like you mentioned, Christian atheism appears to be an established concept in other countries, along with similar concepts like lapsed Catholics. I only personally know one person like this, who identifies as a Lutherian but not believing in a higher power, and other people I’ve mentioned it to consider that to be odd and contradictory.
that’s some bullshit.
Christians declares themselves the default and therefore everything they do is “normal” rather than a Christian thing.
You know damn well an Easter bunny is not comparable to burning a Quran. And plenty of people will say the same if you burn a Bible too
you missed my issue.
I noticed that every post tangentially related to islam has comments condemning all religions, yet those comments are usually absent when the post is tangentially related to Christianity like a post about easter or Christmas.
IE, bringing up a Dawkins like atheism only when taking about a specific group, is just a lazy form of racism
I’d struggle to call the op tangentially related. It’s not like they’re simply posting something based on a corporate take on Ramadan the way an Easter bunny is for Christians. Oop specifically wanted to anger her, and did a hilariously poor job because of his ignorance
Ngl I am a muslim and was thaught it’s valid form of disposing Quran but I still would find it immoral to burn books due to context of Nazis.
tossing it to trash would be disrespectful you know. If someone needs it when you don’t, you can donate it to them.
Donating to a library would be best option definetely.
Libraries are underrated, no matter the society you look at. I remember a post from reddit that mentioned that it can help you if your life is being targeted or something like that.
Look, if you stab someone to death because they burned your holy book, maybe stab yourself first pls.
This person doesn’t sound like they’re going to stab anybody. Exactly the opposite, in fact.
Oh no, this wasn’t meant towards the lovely person in the post. I got derailed.
I don’t fuck with the types “oh imma burn dis buk cuz it’s pissing off da muslimps”. But i really don’t think they should be stabbed to death for it.
If you burn a book because you think it will deeply offend others and then feel the need to post it on the internet for rage bait and then you get stabbed by a person you raged with your bait I’m not really going to feel bad.
If they burned a Quran at a protest for sharia law that’s a different story but they literally are just trying to get a reaction out of someone so if they manage to that’s on them
what is this bot response
Not good for the environment at all. The only acceptable way to dispose of any book or paper is through recycling. Destrying holy books is very juvenile anyways.
It was done to make sure mistakes of Quran’s printing couldn’t be reused by others.
That image looks machine generated… also not good for the environment.
I thought this we were a bit more cultured, better informed people than reddit, but after reading the amount of ignorant and absolute bigoted comments on this post, apparently we’re definitely not an inch better
Under what circumstances would anyone need to dispose of a book?
When someone dies and it’s part of their estate sale, and nobody wants to buy the book, and bookstores & thrift stores don’t want to receive it as donation?
Not in the case of books treated as timeless, but we do print a lot of contemporary stuff that is designed to become irrelevant. School books, manuals, law books, phonebooks etc. It traditionally was and still is a convinient form of sharing a lot of information. Computers with dynamically changing content are there to replace it now, but they are yet to do so, and there are good reasons for it.
You just reminded me about 30 years ago when I used to be mormon, we didn’t know it at the time, but all the church leadership from the higher-ups were encouraging everyone to purchase new scriptures and get rid of our old ones. Turns out they had changed a lot of the text to erase past “doctrinal” concepts/faux pas 😳 . Sketchy. Of course they didn’t tell us they changed anything in the scriptures but scholars over the years dug it up and did the comparisons.
I think the last time I saw a phonebook was over 10 years ago.
When the christian-fascist regime gets re-elected in 2028 and ICE starts searching peoples houses as every book besides trump-signed bibles are against the law.
Both are equally fucking cringe.
One for being an obvious hypocrite in opposition of religion and only burning one of the books.
One for pretending that muslims doesn’t try to murder those that burns “their” book.
Fuck both of them.
Dude wait till you hear about this religion called Christianity.
Are you blind or stupid? I told you that he’s a hypocrite for only burning one of the books.
Hey thanks for the feedback my reasonable and stoic nonreligious friendo.
I believe you have misunderstood the original post and may not be familiar with the history of religions which a-ok buckeroo.
So chief, Christians and Muslims have historically been at each others throats and both have committed horrific imperialistic atrocities as a result.
Champ, when you see something like this, its usually another religious person doing it. That’s not hypocrisy because they actually believe in their version of God. They’re not anti religion like a big strong intelligent atheist like you are. They are anti any religion that’s not theirs.
That being said, I sense much anger in you friendo. Have you considered religion to help you navigate this emotional turmoil?
Cool bit of condescention there buckaroo. I believe the issue was your reading comprehension.
So chief, Christians and Muslims have historically been at each others throats and both have committed horrific imperialistic atrocities as a result.
Yeah? No shit Sherlock.
Champ, when you see something like this, its usually another religious person doing it. That’s not hypocrisy because they actually believe in their version of God. They’re not anti religion like a big strong intelligent atheist like you are. They are anti any religion that’s not theirs.
Yes, and i believe i said something along the line of “raging hypocrisy” and fuck them both. So what exactly is your point other than a feeling good about being smug and condescending?
That being said, I sense much anger in you friendo. Have you considered religion to help you navigate this emotional turmoil?
Nope. In fact, religious people and their pompous rightousness is what drive the fury within. They and you are quite similar.
Ok champ. Stay safe and remember to be kind.
Ok cunt, right back at you.
