Except when they want to port the game from GameCube to Wii, so rather than modify the game, they just mirror the entire game to make everything gay so the motion controls can be straight.
Talking about things that exist makes me uncomfortable! Stop pushing your ideology on me!
Those evil left-handers, always pushing their sinister agenda!
Sums up so much about society right now ^
Can we stop giving attention to these people? The vast, vast, vast majority of gamers are not piece of shit bigots. There are probably Ike a few thousand of these bigots in total but they spend their entire life online and report on each other as if they are a majority and make a ton of online noise.
Is it actually “gamers” saying this?
I’d say a vocal minority do. A common form this takes is resentment over perceived “shoe-horning” of “politics” into games that “leads to bad games”.
The thibly-veiled bigotry becomes clear when the shortcomings of the game are attributed primarily to the diversity representation, rather than anything else, with the assumption that it would have been better without it. “The writing is bad because they wanted to make a political statement above all else.”
This becomes especially apparent when you consider that those same people would never blame bad writing in a game on making all the characters in a game heterosexual.
Some people are just straight-up haters, no veil necessary.
I can sympathize a little with people who had a romantic expectation for a character that they might have fantasized or self-inserted and feel disappointed or even betrayed by having their expectations subverted, especially if they had a strong attachment, as in franchise characters. But they also need to get over the fact that not everything has to be made for them. 95% of whats out there is already made for them.
Ironically, most of the people I hear engaged in gamergate/anti gamergate noise don’t actually play games. Maybe they did back in school, but now they’d rather listen to some podcast or like twitter posts for whatever team they chose.
That’s funny, in my bubble I’ve only heard references to gamergate recently from game developers in podcasts. I wouldn’t imagine non-gamers know what it is these days.
Huh, I did a quick search and interestingly, there are a couple mainstream news articles referencing gamergate re: recent anti-DEI in games. Lol I guess games really are part of mainstream culture now.
Steve Bannon basically used gamergate as a fascist breeding ground, and a model for our modern political discourse.
I’m not even kidding. Just because you weren’t aware of it, doesn’t make it unimportant.
Edit: sources:
https://www.axios.com/2022/10/20/gamergate-right-online-harassment-joan-donovan-meme-wars
The people I know are nerds, but don’t play video games. They play ttrpgs or use to play video games and read comics. I brought up how EFAP seems to have a one sided feud with RLM to a friend of mine and he got really defensive of EFAP. This was a little longer ago, but when Battlefield included female models for the player, it caused a bit of a stupid uproar online that the ttrpg friends mocked. I think BF is a bad franchise, so I only commented that they should also include a bear option for the USSR. This was a reference to Woktek, not the more recent meme.
I got tired of hanging out with both groups who were more interested in complaining about shit then talking about what they do enjoy and stopped reaching out to them.
Gamers, posters, gaming press people, also idiots…
It covers an awful lot of people.,
“”““gamers””“”
It’s breaking my immersion! /s
“Or, we could make it a woman”
“Um, ok, wait, we need to think about this”
Gets man bro protagonists in the last 100 games:
Gets 1 female protagonist: WOKE GIRLBOSS BS!
One female protagonist that’s written exactly like a male and is basically just a skin swap*
Funny how men can’t write female characters but that’s still the woman’s fault lol
That response is from loud mouths
Alright, but I have yet to see a game character that’s left handed though
Just checked in game and he actually does swing with his left. Never noticed until now. Apparently newer games retconned him to be right handed
It’s not a retcon if it’s a different person. Most games introduce a new Link. We’re currently at twelve unique Links.
Yeah, Link surprised me, he’s left handed in most games before BOTW, which is neat.
He is right handed in the Wii games with motion controls for the benefit of the majority of right handed gamers, but left handed everywhere else.
Twilight Princess was crossgen between GameCube and Wii. The two games are mirror images of each other because it made it simpler to port the game than mirroring the character animations alone.
Weird that they never bothered to swap him back to left handed for the Switch games, though.
Isometric Link (Link’s Awakening remake) remains left handed at least, but Switch era 3D Link is right handed.
I’ll just chalk that up to the Switch games wanting to switch (heh) it up a bit, with his primary color association also switching from green to blue. Maybe if they decide to make an older style 3D Zelda again, they’ll go back to left handed Link.
Weird that they never bothered to swap him back to left handed for the Switch games, though
They are different characters. OoT Link has always been a leftie, BotW Link has always been a rightie
Almost all of the Links between different games are different characters, but they were all still left handed until the Wii era. That includes Wind Waker Link, Twilight Princess (GC) Link, Oracle Link, and even NES OG Link who are all distinct from OoT.
BotW Link is right handed either because they forgot he was originally left handed before the Wii era, or because it was a deliberate choice to break convention from older games (like also having BotW link wear blue instead of green).
I wouldn’t be surprised by either possibility, just given that BotW deliberately had relatively few series veterans working on it.
They probably made BotW Link a rightie so that when using a bow, our 3rd person view can see the bow while keeping him on the left side of the screen, as is convention in most games (not Zelda games but all games)
Weird that they never bothered to swap him back to left handed for the Switch games, though.
It’s not even that they “didn’t swap him back”.
Twilight Princess for the Wii U uses the original left handed link from the GameCube version (it swaps to the right handed version of the game in the harder difficulty).
Link is left handed in all of the 3DS entries, Hyrule Warriors, and Smash 4. In Smash Ultimate, both “Young” and “Toon” Link are left-handed while “Link” is right handed (he’s based off of BOTW in this entry).
In The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom, you primarily play as Zelda, but Link is left-handed when he appears.
It was a very deliberate decision to make BOTW/TOTK Link right handed, and it’s not as simple as “not changing it back”.
Here’s a couple random ones, outside of the obvious (Link from The Legend of Zelda).
Some of the character models in Warcraft 3 were left-handed, like the Footman and the Grunt. The weird implication in this is that in the Warcraft universe, left-handed is the default, because while the common Footmen were lefties, the heroic Paladin was right-handed.
Some of the party members from early Final Fantasy games were left-handed: Leila and Leon from FF2, and Kain and Palom from FF4. Because of the 2D sprites it didn’t show very well during battles, but it did affect the way their equipment was arranged in the menus.
Artorias from the Dark Souls 1 DLC is left handed.
The necro in Diablo 4 too.
Doomguy
He holds the pistol with his left but holds the shotgun right-handed:
He probably holds the weapon with stronger kickback with his dominant hand.
Conclusion: he’s right-handed but trained to hold the pistol with his left
Or he was trained to hold the shotgun with the right (for example because of which side the spent shells come out of)
This can be explained by him being left eye dominant.
„But what‘s the plot reason for them being gay? I don‘t mind gay people being in something, but if there‘s not a reason for it, then it‘s just pandering!“
You mean, the same reason why anybody’s gay? They’re born that way?
What do they expect? “A wizard turned him gay.”
Somehow gay returned.
This is where the line gets blurry tho. On one hand, yeah, bigots exist, but on the other hand, I could see this being a clumsy attempt at complaining about poor writing.
Like, I’m pretty sure I said something like this when Rowling said Dumbledore was gay. I’m not cishet, amd it still feels like she retconned that in for points, especially now that we’re seeing exactly what she thinks about LGBT stuff.
Oh she absolutely did. Just like she did the “i never said Hermione *wasn’t * Black” thing, despite having described her cheeks as “pink” on more than one occasion.
But that’s not what the people i was quoting mean. They’re doing the “straight, white, cis, man is the default, and anything deviating from that needs an explicit in-universe explanation”.
There was a thing that did the rounds a while back which was variations on “what race are you? White or political?”, “what’s your sexuality? Straight or political?”, etc.
it’s basically that. Straight guy? Fine. Gay guy? “But what’s the *reason *he’s gay? How is it relevant to the plot?”
No, I get what you mean. I just see a lot of clumsy getting lumped in with malevolent on a regular basis, and want to call attention to it.
Edit: Like the people who say your point about Hermione is racist because black people can blush too, when that’s not what you’re trying to say at all.
If you don’t need a plot reason for a male character to have a wife, then you don’t need a plot reason for a male character to have a husband.
Note the quotation marks
Hmmm, your quotation marks are rendering as commas on my client. I thought you just put commas at the start for some random reason.
In languages like German the opening quotes start at the bottom „…“ and closing quotes go to the top. In Russian they can look like «this».
Just someone typing on English with a keyboard not directly mapped to the keyboard you are used to.
This character is ambidextrous because we just flipped the sprite
This gamer: chooses a female character so I can stare at her ass the whole time.
On an unrelated note, I am really enjoying Stellar Blade.
Good
Yeah but they were just groomed to lefty sympathies by Shigeru Miyamoto
Someone should overlay the graph showing the rise of the acceptance of left-handedness over time, with a graph of Zelda releases over time.
In my limited experience, it’s not that
In games and movies it’s usually:
This character who famously has been hetero, now suddenly bus gay and we just recon that they were always gay, you just didn’t notice
Which is then followed with a “huh?”
I rarely see people having issues with characters being gay or trans or anything really, it’s just when it gets shoehorned in really badly, or when everything about the show/movie/game is really bad, but my main character is gay, so now you MUST LOVE THIS PRODUCT!
Just make a good product, and I honestly don’t care if your main character is straight, gay, brown black or purple
Mind providing an example?
Elton John in Rocket Man.
What do you mean he was always gay?!?!
Noticed zero examples listed. Interesting.
Name a single example, please
Non game one, Dumbledore was declared gay by Rowling.
In games, Kaiden Alenko becomes gay in ME3 if he’s still alive.
I thought every party member in Bioware games was basically bisexual tbh
Maybe in the new ones. Mass effect is old, gay options would probably have killed the series of they existed in the first game. 3 was the only one with real support.
A quick Google shows that both male and female player characters had the exact same romance options, so he was always bi
Maybe an AI hallucination, or you misread the part about it being possible with save editing.
Ah, nah, I misread a guide on it apparently
Dumbledore wasn’t “famously hetero”. Revealing the sexuality of a character who never had one established isn’t a change, it’s just new information. Getting offended at that is no less bigoted than getting offended at a new gay character being introduced.
I’m pretty sure Kaiden is one of male Shepard’s romance options in the first game dude.
1 was straight or liara only. 2 was straight with aliens except for Kelly being a bi option which didn’t actually trigger the romance achievement. 3 actually had some gay/bi options, but only Kaiden was a character that already existed.
Looks like you’re right. It looks like they did consider making Ashley and Kaiden bi so the VAs did record lines for both. I always thought he was bi because there are options to flirt and Bioware did make bi characters earlier in Jade Empire.
For Mass Effect, one can write some of this off as ‘player choice mechanics,’ EG their sexuality isn’t super explicit earlier and they want to give players romance options, so ‘declaring’ them gay or bi makes a lot of sense.
It’s building canon on the fly, kind of like how some RPG game characters are flavored blank slates in a way that isn’t possible in ‘fixed’ media like books or TV.
I’m a bit out of the loop, but which ones are you even talking about? Marvel?
I don’t recall any doing this.
Any examples of this?
Star Trek Picard
Takes the character seven (of nine) and just scrambles everything about her to the point where she doesn’t resemble her own character that she played 20 years prior
Amongst the changes they made was that hthe character was suddenly gay, even though in three years of shows she has basically been straight.
Now let me be real clear: I have zero problems with her being gay, perse, this is star Trek and Star Trek fans aren’t transphobic or any phobic or they wouldn’t be fans of the show, watching each time how you should think about treating your favorite enemy better.
I have a problem with it being abused from here to hell and back again by shit shows and movies to try and hope that the audience won’t notice that the writers were the fucking worst
And this isn’t just me, basically any time I see someone pissed about a gay character, it’s because of that
The writers were too lazy to write a new gay character, so let’s just take an existing one, must be pretty enough, check, so now we make her gay and just recon that it was always like that and we’re just misremembering
The writers also have no talent so instead of using a fat character for some moral dilemma, well just have them make out on screen, so much simpler.
And of course once people have legit criticism, you just start a nice Twitter campaign where you call them *phobe, anything better than actually delivering a quality product.
God, modern Star trek is baaaaddd
I’m telling you all this (and hopefully you read it) because I know that most people really aren’t that bad once you stop screaming and blocking and instead try to have a normal conversation. Once you do that you find out that you’re mostly thinking the same.
I’m LGBT+, I’ll support almost anything left, that’s why I’m on Lemmy too, I just want good movies
Really? That is your issue with Star Trek Picard? That the character specifically driven on a mission of self discovery isn’t the same as she was 20 years ago?
What good shows has this “issue” ruined?
You asked an example, i give you an example. This is a fairly common fandom complaint for the very reason why were having this discussion, so what is your point?
Believe me, ST Picard has a hundred other issues that combines together ruined watching any star trek for years. Its a shit show.
No, seriously, what shows has this issue ruined? By that I mean something that would have been good and enjoyable, but a character being retconned or progressively written to be gay or whatever was the thing that turned it bad for you. Shit writing is shit writing, and 7 of 9 not being straight isn’t what made Picard a bad show. What show was bad specifically because of this issue?
bus gay
wut?
buT gay
It’s a small typo from the auto correct that went the other direction, is all. I thought it’d be obvious what was meant
It all starts with a grift from a bunch of illiterate idiots in the ancient near east who practice foreskin blood magic
