This character who famously has been hetero, now suddenly bus gay and we just recon that they were always gay, you just didn’t notice
Which is then followed with a “huh?”
I rarely see people having issues with characters being gay or trans or anything really, it’s just when it gets shoehorned in really badly, or when everything about the show/movie/game is really bad, but my main character is gay, so now you MUST LOVE THIS PRODUCT!
Just make a good product, and I honestly don’t care if your main character is straight, gay, brown black or purple
Maybe in the new ones. Mass effect is old, gay options would probably have killed the series of they existed in the first game. 3 was the only one with real support.
Dumbledore wasn’t “famously hetero”. Revealing the sexuality of a character who never had one established isn’t a change, it’s just new information. Getting offended at that is no less bigoted than getting offended at a new gay character being introduced.
1 was straight or liara only. 2 was straight with aliens except for Kelly being a bi option which didn’t actually trigger the romance achievement. 3 actually had some gay/bi options, but only Kaiden was a character that already existed.
Looks like you’re right. It looks like they did consider making Ashley and Kaiden bi so the VAs did record lines for both. I always thought he was bi because there are options to flirt and Bioware did make bi characters earlier in Jade Empire.
For Mass Effect, one can write some of this off as ‘player choice mechanics,’ EG their sexuality isn’t super explicit earlier and they want to give players romance options, so ‘declaring’ them gay or bi makes a lot of sense.
It’s building canon on the fly, kind of like how some RPG game characters are flavored blank slates in a way that isn’t possible in ‘fixed’ media like books or TV.
Takes the character seven (of nine) and just scrambles everything about her to the point where she doesn’t resemble her own character that she played 20 years prior
Amongst the changes they made was that hthe character was suddenly gay, even though in three years of shows she has basically been straight.
Now let me be real clear: I have zero problems with her being gay, perse, this is star Trek and Star Trek fans aren’t transphobic or any phobic or they wouldn’t be fans of the show, watching each time how you should think about treating your favorite enemy better.
I have a problem with it being abused from here to hell and back again by shit shows and movies to try and hope that the audience won’t notice that the writers were the fucking worst
And this isn’t just me, basically any time I see someone pissed about a gay character, it’s because of that
The writers were too lazy to write a new gay character, so let’s just take an existing one, must be pretty enough, check, so now we make her gay and just recon that it was always like that and we’re just misremembering
The writers also have no talent so instead of using a fat character for some moral dilemma, well just have them make out on screen, so much simpler.
And of course once people have legit criticism, you just start a nice Twitter campaign where you call them *phobe, anything better than actually delivering a quality product.
God, modern Star trek is baaaaddd
I’m telling you all this (and hopefully you read it) because I know that most people really aren’t that bad once you stop screaming and blocking and instead try to have a normal conversation. Once you do that you find out that you’re mostly thinking the same.
I’m LGBT+, I’ll support almost anything left, that’s why I’m on Lemmy too, I just want good movies
Really? That is your issue with Star Trek Picard? That the character specifically driven on a mission of self discovery isn’t the same as she was 20 years ago?
You asked an example, i give you an example. This is a fairly common fandom complaint for the very reason why were having this discussion, so what is your point?
Believe me, ST Picard has a hundred other issues that combines together ruined watching any star trek for years. Its a shit show.
No, seriously, what shows has this issue ruined? By that I mean something that would have been good and enjoyable, but a character being retconned or progressively written to be gay or whatever was the thing that turned it bad for you. Shit writing is shit writing, and 7 of 9 not being straight isn’t what made Picard a bad show. What show was bad specifically because of this issue?
In my limited experience, it’s not that
In games and movies it’s usually:
This character who famously has been hetero, now suddenly bus gay and we just recon that they were always gay, you just didn’t notice
Which is then followed with a “huh?”
I rarely see people having issues with characters being gay or trans or anything really, it’s just when it gets shoehorned in really badly, or when everything about the show/movie/game is really bad, but my main character is gay, so now you MUST LOVE THIS PRODUCT!
Just make a good product, and I honestly don’t care if your main character is straight, gay, brown black or purple
Mind providing an example?
Elton John in Rocket Man.
What do you mean he was always gay?!?!
Noticed zero examples listed. Interesting.
Name a single example, please
Non game one, Dumbledore was declared gay by Rowling.
In games, Kaiden Alenko becomes gay in ME3 if he’s still alive.
I thought every party member in Bioware games was basically bisexual tbh
Maybe in the new ones. Mass effect is old, gay options would probably have killed the series of they existed in the first game. 3 was the only one with real support.
A quick Google shows that both male and female player characters had the exact same romance options, so he was always bi
Maybe an AI hallucination, or you misread the part about it being possible with save editing.
Ah, nah, I misread a guide on it apparently
Dumbledore wasn’t “famously hetero”. Revealing the sexuality of a character who never had one established isn’t a change, it’s just new information. Getting offended at that is no less bigoted than getting offended at a new gay character being introduced.
I’m pretty sure Kaiden is one of male Shepard’s romance options in the first game dude.
1 was straight or liara only. 2 was straight with aliens except for Kelly being a bi option which didn’t actually trigger the romance achievement. 3 actually had some gay/bi options, but only Kaiden was a character that already existed.
Looks like you’re right. It looks like they did consider making Ashley and Kaiden bi so the VAs did record lines for both. I always thought he was bi because there are options to flirt and Bioware did make bi characters earlier in Jade Empire.
For Mass Effect, one can write some of this off as ‘player choice mechanics,’ EG their sexuality isn’t super explicit earlier and they want to give players romance options, so ‘declaring’ them gay or bi makes a lot of sense.
It’s building canon on the fly, kind of like how some RPG game characters are flavored blank slates in a way that isn’t possible in ‘fixed’ media like books or TV.
I’m a bit out of the loop, but which ones are you even talking about? Marvel?
I don’t recall any doing this.
Any examples of this?
Star Trek Picard
Takes the character seven (of nine) and just scrambles everything about her to the point where she doesn’t resemble her own character that she played 20 years prior
Amongst the changes they made was that hthe character was suddenly gay, even though in three years of shows she has basically been straight.
Now let me be real clear: I have zero problems with her being gay, perse, this is star Trek and Star Trek fans aren’t transphobic or any phobic or they wouldn’t be fans of the show, watching each time how you should think about treating your favorite enemy better.
I have a problem with it being abused from here to hell and back again by shit shows and movies to try and hope that the audience won’t notice that the writers were the fucking worst
And this isn’t just me, basically any time I see someone pissed about a gay character, it’s because of that
The writers were too lazy to write a new gay character, so let’s just take an existing one, must be pretty enough, check, so now we make her gay and just recon that it was always like that and we’re just misremembering
The writers also have no talent so instead of using a fat character for some moral dilemma, well just have them make out on screen, so much simpler.
And of course once people have legit criticism, you just start a nice Twitter campaign where you call them *phobe, anything better than actually delivering a quality product.
God, modern Star trek is baaaaddd
I’m telling you all this (and hopefully you read it) because I know that most people really aren’t that bad once you stop screaming and blocking and instead try to have a normal conversation. Once you do that you find out that you’re mostly thinking the same.
I’m LGBT+, I’ll support almost anything left, that’s why I’m on Lemmy too, I just want good movies
Really? That is your issue with Star Trek Picard? That the character specifically driven on a mission of self discovery isn’t the same as she was 20 years ago?
What good shows has this “issue” ruined?
You asked an example, i give you an example. This is a fairly common fandom complaint for the very reason why were having this discussion, so what is your point?
Believe me, ST Picard has a hundred other issues that combines together ruined watching any star trek for years. Its a shit show.
No, seriously, what shows has this issue ruined? By that I mean something that would have been good and enjoyable, but a character being retconned or progressively written to be gay or whatever was the thing that turned it bad for you. Shit writing is shit writing, and 7 of 9 not being straight isn’t what made Picard a bad show. What show was bad specifically because of this issue?
wut?
It’s a small typo from the auto correct that went the other direction, is all. I thought it’d be obvious what was meant