reupload because i mixed up sigterm and sigkill like a dumb fuck
Everybody gangsta until “A stop job is running for …”
user error doesn’t count
I couldn’t find better screenshot, but I’ve definitely seen this happening due to zombie processes after just regular use, rather than just broken mount. I feel like it’s handled way better nowadays though.
Zfs stuck on suspended pool. Make pool with 1 disk, disconnect disk, pool suspended, io blocking until force shutdown, process uninterruptible (no kill -9).
I feel like it’s handled way better nowadays though.
TL:DR No, lmao. But timer was lowered at some point to 3min for most distros, afaik.
So too would be attempting to shut down Windows without saving and closing your applications then 😉
user error? what user error? mount a network drive, disconnect the network, then try to unmount it. best part? most programs will stall for a long time when it tries to access the directory.
Systemdead can be a dick.
Keeping it real hell yeah
Reverse meme when it’s time to install the updates.
Windows in that case is “I MUST REBOOT IMMEDIATELY PREPARE TO LOSE ALL UNSAVED DATA IN 3. 2. 1…”
When I switched to win 10, I actually gave them more money to get the pro version for access to the group policy editor so I could control updates and never have to deal with my PC telling me it’s time to restart on its own. Because I was stupid.
When it came time to switch to Win 11, I did the much more sensible thing and installed Fedora instead. I started with cinnamon and even though I ended up disliking it also, it was still way better than the windows experience.
You should’ve never given them any money at all. Activation scripts ftw.
Not quite. I will RESUME FROM THIS FUCKING “MODERN SLEEP” shit, even though you the user want to turn this shit right off, do it without any warning watsoever, close all your fucking windows and good luck if you have lost work or not.
“Oh, you need to give a presentation in 3 minutes? Too bad. I decided it’s time to update now, and you WILL spend 45 minutes installing updates before the computer will boot.”
Xkill is my favorite. I prefer aiming the gun and pulling the trigger myself
Set a keyboard shortcut for it. Ctrl + Alt + Esc is mine.
This but deleting a folder:
- Are you sure you want to delete this
- Delete too large to fit in garbage bin, so are you really sure
- Couldn’t delete stuff (for no clear reason)
- Even as admin file locks were hard blocking without any easy way to unblock
Meanwhile on Linux with sudo rm -rf, it’s just gone as demanded.
Partially true. The difference is that in Linux, when you delete a file, you’re just removing the directory entry (potentially just one of many entries that point to the same data). The filesystem doesn’t actually remove the data and reclaim space until all open handles are closed and no remaining directory entries point to the data.
Any running processes that have the file open are able to continue to read and write that data via the handle despite the directory entry being removed, until the handle is closed.
I think a file delete just removing an adress and not the actual data is common to all OSes. That’s why to safely erase data from a disk it is recommended to fully overwrite the disk with random data, potentially multiple times.
If you delete a still opened file on Linux then the file will disappear for all processes which didn’t already open it, all programs that did already open it can still read and write to it and the file on disk will never be overwritten (as in, used for other files) as long as there’s still a process with the file open.
Simplifying how it works: The file you see is a link to the actual file(inode), when a program opens a file using this link they get a copy of the link. As long as one link/copy of it still exist the file won’t be deleted. When a program closes all its links get cleaned up so on shutdown all files which only have processes referring to them get marked as deleted.
that’s a different thing. if you delete a file that is still opened by a process, the space will not get freed up until that process also closed the file. until that point the filesystem still keeps track of the file, it is just not present in any directories anymore.
I mean you could probably delete files with powershell then idk.
I had to update a Windows 11 work laptop after not touching it for nearly a year. I click ‘shut down’ from the start menu and nothing happens. What? Try it again. Nothing again.
I have to hold down the power button before the screen shows a “slide to shut down” screen now. How did Microslop fuck up the ‘shut down’ so badly.
I love how the design is so bad now we’re missing the days when shutting down the computer required the “Start” button.
the alt f4 shutdown window present since win95/nt4 tends to work better than the latest slop menu they made
also true for boot (not from suspended state), in my experience.
windows: wait, let me display the windows logo for 10 seconds, then show a spinny circle, then show the lock screen, then when you try to enter your password, it loads your user profile for another 5 minutes before it shows your desktop icons
linux: click the power button -> 1.5 seconds later i see the lock screen. enter password and it’s just there.
I’ve found it to be very dependent on the distro and the hardware it’s running on. Back when I was playing around with distros I definitely tried some that felt like you snapped your fingers and had a desktop. But I settled on Fedora and that takes longer to boot for me than Windows. Not that I mind, 30 seconds once a week or so just isn’t important to me.
Are you perhaps on Wifi? I noticed that Fedora is has configured Systemd to wait for online network before continuing starting the login services.
No, this is on a wired machine. I have another one on wireless also running Fedora and I’d say that one is slower to boot, however it’s also on a Ryzen 3600 where my main PC is a 5700X so that’s kinda expected anyway.
Back when i still had windows as a second boot option, it was soooo annoyingly slow to boot (like 3 minutes or so). I thought it’s because I installed it on a HDD, not SSD (and that was indeed part of the reason). One day when my internet broke though, I realized it was actually super fast to boot suddenly. It just spent half the time downloading stuff from the internet before, during boot. From then on I just pulled the ethernet cable before booting windows. Fucking joke of an operating system
It’s tragic the level of immediate relief I feel every time I shutdown on Linux after years on Windows.
Reboot
Windows: save all your woooork. What apps you had open? How would I know?
Linux: it’s all saved in ram, don’t worry. It’ll be like you never rebooted
Are you aware that RAM is cleared on reboot?
Tell that to Linux
Gonna make Lemmy pissed off, but installed on my machine Nobara, Cachy and Mint at some point. All of them had comparable if not worse boot and shutdown times to Windows 10. xD ( And worse performance in games but that’s due to having old Nvidia GPU xD )
It’s not a request, it’s a warning. The machine will be without power soon, and it’s up to the machine whether it wants to prepare for that or not
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop] "AutoEndTasks"="1"Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
Ah yes, tinkering with the registry. There’s that user friendliness Windows is famous for.
I find my system usually has to wait 90 seconds to kill KDE plasma when I use it without a login manager and then try to shut down…
I had a systemd bug delay shutdown for 2 mins every time for a very long time on Debian. Never managed to fix it, Fedora did not have the same issue fortunately.
I fought one of those on NixOS for 2 months but on boot two whole minutes.
I had been poking at it for ages in my spare time, because i can only stand so many reboot tests, and once you were up, it was fine.
On day work issued us Claude code licenses. Maximum effort, maximum model, claude, my startup -> login it taking forever please go find out what’s going on.
3 reboots later and some very deep seeded issue with a version conflict in PAM that was pissing wayland/kde off in a way that there wasn’t really any error waiting for a timeout.
<_<
shutdown -f -t 0 -s“Kill dash 9! No more CPU time!” — Monzy
