cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/45445434

Fox News Senior Medical Analyst Marc Siegel made some eyebrow-raising comments lamenting that birth rates are down among teenagers aged 15 to 19.

On Thursday, the National Center for Health Statistics reported that the U.S. fertility rate fell to another record low. The agency reported that the number of births per 1,000 women of childbearing age declined from 53.8 in 2024 to 53.1 last year. The latest figure represents a continuation of a decades-long decline in fertility rates.

Siegel joined Friday’s edition of America’s Newsroom, where Dana Perino said that while the continuing trend is not surprising, “the numbers might feel a little shocking.”

  • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    They’re saying the quiet part out loud and why they’re anti-abortion. The younger the better for a quick turnaround:

    They need the poors to fight their wars and work on their factory floors.

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      I frequently just stand outside and look at the sky and think, yep, we weren’t meant to work all day. We were meant to pick berries and mushrooms and take naps. I feel better about my station in life, knowing those oligarchs can never be satisfied, and all I have to do to feel right is take a walk outside.

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          Yeah, that’s why we can run

          Edit: Distance running that is. Humans have better endurance than almost any land animal, so we can chase prey to exhaustion. It helps that we’re crafty enough to carry water and snacks with us

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          Not an expert, but that would depend on the location, probably. Smaller game, certainly, but not everyone had large animals roaming around. Likewise, there were probably people who hunted and didn’t gather that much because there simply wasn’t that type of plant around.

          But the point made still stands: modern life is not something natural to our evolution.

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            Peoples would migrate across continents to follow the populations of animals if there were no large animals presently roaming around.

            Given that, I think it’s safe to guess most early humans were more than willing to put in a little more effort to hunt over gather regardless of location.

    • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.world
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      No, they want robots to work in the factories, because they don’t complain and don’t unionize, and don’t take time off, and work for electrons.

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        Yeah, but the good news is they are going to keep us desperate and dependent until that can be attained with certainty just in case that plan doesn’t work out for them and they’re stuck with us.

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        They want to not have to pay the people who will be buying the things produced in the factories.

        The logical problem with that is too many steps ahead for them to see.

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    I distinctly remember a time when boomers and talking heads would automatically respond to concerns about issues with the cost of having kids with:

    “Don’t have kids if you can’t afford them.”

    “If you couldn’t afford kids then you should’ve kept your legs closed.”

    “Don’t expect a handout, nobody forced you to have kids.”

    “Healthcare and child care are too expensive? Tough shit snowflake, that’s the free market! Work harder!”

    “Why are my taxes paying for a public school when I don’t even have any kids that go there?”

    So nope, no sympathies. And no, you can’t have your child sex brides, either.

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      They are still saying this when it’s convenient for them. The only consistent thing for such people is their cowardice in the face of responsibility.

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    Who the fuck wants to be having kids in this day and age anyway. Also why is it up to the underage teens to push out babies to keep the population up. Yeah let’s put pressure on them to ruin their entire lives before they even get to live it. Love the American standards.

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      I cant tell if those are rhetorical questions because you’re upset…

      Or if you genuinely don’t understand why the oligarchs are mad kids aren’t having babies…

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        You must be joking if you think “I genuinely don’t understand why the oligarchs are mad kids aren’t having babies…”

        Honestly I’m concerned just why that’s the age range the “Oligarchs” are specifically calling out, not having enough babies. All I’m saying is, why is it up to the kids, and not the adults who have JOBS and MENTAL stability.

        And I’ll go back on my first sentence, WHO in their right mind, in 2026, is like "Yeah, the economy is in such a great place today, that I think I’ll raw dog my wife until she becomes pregnant, and in 9 months I’ll dish out thousands of dollars just for her to birth a child, and then dish out even more thousands of dollars for doctor bills, diapers, formula, etc. And that’s just their infancy. Ok. Not everyone is financially stable to raise a child, even as a full grown adult. And not everyone is mentally stable, to raise a child.

        But we’re wondering why the kids aren’t having kids.

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      I agree with the 1st sentence, but you cant expect people to wait until they are 30 to have kids

      Its better to marry than to whore around… regardless of age, thats why “child” marriage should be legal but challenged by the families and test if there is actual love or nut

      Live fast die young was most of human history, and I like it

      We have way too much order, that it gets in the way

      Think about that for a few years.

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    I remember when teen pregnancy was considered bad and a sign of a decaying morality across the country. Now the same right wing moralizers are saying they need those teen moms again. But this time it’s about money so they are noticeably quiet about morality.

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      I remember when teen pregnancy was considered bad and a sign of a decaying morality across the country.

      before that it was commonplace though. I’m 61, my grandmother started having her kids at 16, she had 8, one of them my mother, the youngest of her kids. Many of her friends were similarly 15-19 having thier first kid. My mother was 19 with me, I was born when she turned 20. She had 3 kids, i have none, my sister none and my brother 2, so family dynamics have changed.

      This is Australia though, you can read books of some of the early convict ships coming over and they arrived with all the 13-16yr old girls pregnant, or having had their kid on board and being married etc

      You can see some of the effect in The Philippines, pregnant teen mothers are everywhere. Religious indoctrination in regards anti contraception doesn’t stop teens fucking (and this in a nation with no divorce)

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      Only locally it’s a bad thing. Nationally, they need those girls waiting tables in diners. How else is someone going to get their nostalgia kick while driving route 66?

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      And don’t forget future soldiers are needed. There’s a place for everyone.

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      Now, now, let’s not pretend these people are encouraging sex, those young whores are still to be shamed.

      They’re just supposed to have kids and be loyal to husbando. No pleasure involved.

      (Also, they always supported teen pregnancy because they have always been anti-sex education and anti-contraceptive which allows the process of teenage parents to happen without them having to condone it).

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    I wonder how much breaking up the trump-epstein ring lowered the fertility rate of 15-19 year olds.

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      Exactly, half of me expects them to spin this into, “Trump and Epstein were just trying to fix the population crisis.” Give it a week.

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    How many times do conservatives have to prove that they’re all pedophiles before the rest of us will learn?

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      not a matter of “learning”, it’s a matter of “caring”

      everyone knows by now this regime is full of pedophiles… but nobody gives enough of a fuck to do anything about it

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    Maybe if you just imprison fertile women and give them to rich couples to fuck and impregnate, that will solve the problem? You could call them handmaid’s to distract from what they really are!

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      Logistics at a certain point does not care what economic model you follow. Someone has to plant the crops and do all the other work that leads to people being fed, clothed, and housed under any system.

      If your demographics are such that there are not enough people of working age to take care of those too old to work, you’re going to have the kind of problems that led other human societies to kill their elders.

      It’d be great if we could automate our way out of this, but I don’t see that happening soon enough.

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    Fixing the birthrate is pretty simple in theory. The government needs to meet the needs of people having kids. The details are a little more complicated.

    In order to have more kids in their 20’s people need:

    A higher income in their 20’s. If they work full time they deserve to be able to afford a 3 bedroom place, food, etc…

    A place to live - Build affordable housing that people can own and build a life. These need to be 3-4 bedroom places that one income can cover.

    Medical care: free quality medical care to cover little things like birth cost and the doctor visits a child needs.

    Time: Hard to make babies when you are working 60+ hours a week. Mandatory 40 or less work week. 2 months of vacation every year.

    Childcare - Free or heavily subsidized childcare for working parents. Currently childcare for 2 children is more than the net average income for one person in many areas. Earlier retirement programs are also highly effective.

    Quality schools and education: ban private schools, invest heavily in public schools increasing teacher wages and requirements, reducing classroom sizes, and providing quality educational material. Free college and trade schooling as well.

    Hope: Stop fucking up the planet for temporary gains. If we started to reverse our environmental damaging behaviors more people would be willing to have kids

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      When standards of living rise, birthrates drop.

      Western countries, japan & korea all have low birthrates and all developed them as av. income rose. China too but one-child made it a less clear example. Even within a society, middle and upper classes have smaller families than the working class.

      Declining birthrates can’t be fixed by improving living standards, but that’s fine because low birthrate is a good thing - a sign of a society doing well.

      If a high income/low birthrate society needs more citizens, immigration from low income/high birthrate areas is the only viable option. Endless expansion is a fools errand anyway.

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      I think one other thing that’s super important to add on to this list is “desirable partners.” The current generation of young men have leaned hard into the alt-right pipeline while young women have become more left leaning as their rights are being threatened loudly and chipped away at globally.

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      My opinion is that doing all those things won’t magically fix the birthrate. Truth is that the more educated a country is, the lower its birthrate is. Countries like Korea and Japan have the lowest birthrate but also the highest literacy rate and most educated populations. While countries like Afghanistan and several African countries have high birthrate but also poor education levels and high infant mortality rates. More educated people realize that having kids sets them back from achieving their goals with the time and energy it takes to raise them. And the ROI isn’t even guaranteed because kids move away once their adults and aren’t necessarily going to take care of parents in their old age.

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        In pre-industrialized nations the amount of resources it takes to raise each child is minimal. People have so many children because the resource requirement for each one is minimal or even a positive addition to the income of the parents.

        In industrialized nations that math reverses. The amount of resources each child requires to become a functioning member of society increases dramatically (up to 10,000x more). Children are a pretty much universally a net cost to the parents not a source of income.

        The birthrate is Japan and S. Korea have plummeted recently because of extreme wealth inequality.

        S. Korea - the bulk of the countries economy is controlled by 5 families. The average 20 year old is in debt, working obscene hours per week and is barely making ends meet.

        Japan - Has had 30 years of wage stagnation as the wealth inequality has steadily been growing. Young Japanese face the same issue as the S. Koreans. Long hours of work for little pay and no benefits.

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      The details aren’t complicated, these rich fucks literally just need to pay their share of taxes and almost all of these criteria could be met. It’s simple.

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      I’d even take all of the above minus the hope. I’m not about to wait for a perfect world in order to live life to the fullest.

      But I’ll be damned if I ever raise a child in suffering and abject poverty.

      That one scene in Seven comes to mind, where the wife asks Morgan Freeman for his advice on whether or not she should bring a child into this world. And I tend to agree with his thoughts on it.

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      They were angry about “single mothers” for decades, but that was a racist dog whistle.

      If you’re all white, it’s all right.

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      They’re Republicans. Of course they are concerned about teen pregnancies.

      Who do you think is making them pragernet?