In a situation like this is it better to punch the kid or the parents?
Yes.
Jumping uppercut ala Ryu in Streetfighter
The Rising Dragon Fist, AKA “Shooooooryuken!”
You sound angry. How about eating a nice banana instead?
Bananas piss me off.
Have you tried putting them in the other end?
Do you just never know the size of anything?
Punch the parent and they might learn how to help their kid learn better.
Hey! This is the internet, someone will suggest to play safe, take a swing at all three.
I know I sound old, but I miss the days when I (or even my kids) went to school. If a teacher reached out to parents you knew troubles where waiting at home. Not like being beaten senseless, but a punishment was lurking in your near future which would match your wrong doing.
People will do anything but seek out a therapist. The kid may have a behavioral disorder, and seeking referrals for conduct disorder or something is usually a joint effort since parents get defensive even when such a disorder is often biological, like depression.
Or, y’know, zero tolerance bullshit and the kid gets expelled. That’s more common in the US.
Expelled? If they’re Black we just send them right to prison!
Sadly this isn’t a joke
Yes, depending on the age and if police are on campus. Police tend to be permanent on some campuses for “security” but schools with them statistically show a much higher rate of incarceration. Although expulsion is also a fast track to prison, too.
Unsurprisingly, police tend to be in predominantly black schools, although even in desegregated schools (for which there are very few), it’s black students most likely to get in trouble for acting out. Socioeconomic status accounts for some of this, though.
If this is the US, ain’t nobody can afford a therapist now.
They chose that.
How.
No, really. Specifically tell us all here how “they chose that”.
By fucking the economy so hard they most people live paycheck to paycheck, no savings, and since there’s no universal healthcare people need to pay therapy from money they don’t have.
This is by design, keep the poor poor so they don’t learn enough and get enough resources to change things. Things like fair pay and healthcare cost a lot to industries that pay lobbyists.
If the current status is costing the government more than universal healthcare, who is pocketing the difference? Hospitals, insurance companies.
Yeah, “they choose that”. “They” being the industries that pay lobbyists to make sure that “that” keeps happening, and “that” being US citizens not being able to afford therapy, in between other things.
By voting against their own interests for decades.
People will do anything but seek out a therapist.
Bananas are a lot more affordable (for now).
I work at a school and I received training that explicitly told us zero tolerance does not work, made me do a double take. So in at least the northern states things are changing for the better.
Yup, I teach at University in California and get to cite that. It’s a little counter intuitive for people, but it’s true and much better for teachers to understand. I imagine some places ignore data, though.
I mean, that depends on the age. If that kid is 7 or older, yeah, you should probably look into therapy to figure out where that behavior is coming from. 5 or 6, well, kids are still developing emotional regulation at that point. I’m not saying the reaction should be, “OK, we packed a banana,” but probably something more like, “Oh no, I’m so sorry, we’re going to have a talk about how it’s never OK to hit, have you witnessed this kind of behavior before?” then offer to pay for the glasses. (Also, packing a banana isn’t a bad idea, as well as making sure he’s getting enough sleep. 9 times out of 10, when young kid gets disregulated, they’re over-tired or hungry).
I’m here thinking people are so quick to insist on therapy. We don’t even know if they’ve tried to discipline their child like a normal parent should.
In many ways, bad parenting is often why people go to therapy in the first place, haha. That said, I’m referring to something unrelated to parenting, as there are an assortment of disorders that have little to do with parenting.
Also, discipline is tricky; parents have to use more than punishment in their toolbox, like praise for good work, modeling kindness, etc., and avoid modeling physical punishment since that tends to be the main reason a kid hit other kids… although I doubt the banana parents hit their kids.
Screening can help identify the cause of problematic behavior. In the US, that legally is required by the schools in federal law (i.e. IDEA), but obviously enforcing said law isn’t happening, even in better administrations.
Screening can help identify the cause of problematic behavior.
It’s the school. There’s no mystery here.
It’s kind of amazing how nobody suspects the teacher or the school when they’re the most obvious culprits in ruining the lives of children.
Man it’s hard to teach non-violence in an age of violence and emotional deregulation.
“it is very unfortunate that our Jaeydighn used the calming banana as a weapon but we believe it’s important for him to express himself freely and from now on we will peel it in an effort to make the impact softer for everyone involved.”
If you need a calming banana to not punch people not mistreating you in the face you are a garbage person
SOMEONE didn’t get their calming banana!
There aren’t enough calming bananas in the universe in 2026
Lol true
It’s a child, calm down lol
This “child” could be 7 or 17, which makes a huge difference regarding the appropriateness of their response. We need more context.
Are you saying that there is enough info to call this child a “garbage person” though lol?
Nah, even as a child that’s unacceptable. My kid is only 5 and I don’t let them hit people, and punish them when they do. The response from the parent shows the apple fell straight down
Edit: if you think this is advocating violence against children, go touch grass or read a single book on parenting ffs. Natural/logical consequences make good punishments for misbehavior, and have gone a long way to helping my kid not act out (and are nonviolent, since that has to be spelled out)
Yeah, it’s unacceptable, but it’s also unacceptable to call a child a “garbage person” for acting like a child.
Regardless of the labelling, punching someone in the face is absolutely not “acting like a child”, it’s acting like a garbage person. That shit should not be tolerated or excused away to complain about labelling.
And honestly, excusing away a kid battering their teacher as “acting like a child” is pretty goddamned unacceptable too.
My little brother threw a chair at his preschool teacher. This is absolutely shit kids do, that they need to be taught is unacceptable. You don’t teach kids to be better by writing them off as garbage humans, because they’re still learning.
If you call your five year old garbage for acting out, you’re a shitty parent.
I’m always amazed at how little reading comprehension people have, or how they end up responding to things in their own head.
1 - your example of your little brother acting like an asshole doesn’t mean it’s “shit that kids do”. This is “boys will be boys” shit, and that’s not acceptable. This is like saying your little brother throws rocks at moving cars or at animals and it’s just “shit kids do”. Misbehaving kids do it, and need to be taught better, but it is not normal kid behavior.
2 - no one is saying they’re talking to the kid like that
3 - part of teaching kids to be better people is showing them there are natural consequences for their actions, which guess what? That’s a form of punishment, and it isn’t violence.
If you call your five year old garbage for acting out, you’re a shitty parent.
I ask my kid what’s wrong and work with them to find a solution, and implement natural/logical (and because crayons are needed, non violent) consequences for their misbehavior. I may use choice descriptors for their behavior when they are not in the house, but I would never speak to my kid that way.
It baffles me how many people in this thread don’t have a concept of natural/logical consequences as punishment, and it really fucking shows in the responses. But I guess when you’re raised with violence and can’t be bothered to look into alternatives, it’s easy to assume and drag people on the Internet
It’s amazing that you complain about people not reading and responding to stuff in their head, then you turn around it do it yourself.
1: I quite clearly stated that this was inappropriate behavior that needs to be educated away. I don’t know how you think my example is condoning the action. Children need to be taught to keep their hands to themselves, this is a normal part of child development. It is normal for children to have Big Emotions and not know how to use their words yet. Normal doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be addressed, it just means that every child has to have it addressed.
2: Have you not read the rest of the thread? Starting with the post calling the child a garbage person?
3: I never said anything to the contrary?
but I would never speak to my kid that way.
Then why are you defending it so hard?
Who in this thread advocated violence? I advocated selling the kids console to buy the teachers glasses and not getting him another one.
You can call a kid being a garbage person a garbage person. Doesn’t mean you won’t help them and correct the behavior.
If you call your five year old garbage
It’s not enough to call them names. You gotta punish them! Didn’t you see the other comments? \s
How old is your little brother and how is his life going? If its going well I’m pretty sure it involved some intensive parenting or counseling.
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What about the state locking kids in a room all day? Tolerated or no?
Sure, why not. Because all punishment is the job of the state, and no parent has the capability to punish their kid without violence, clearly.
/S for those who can’t realize punishment and violence are not synonymous
I wouldn’t call a particular kid a garbage person to or around that kid in consideration for the effect it might have on that kid. Between you and me kids who do that are a fucked up mess who probably aren’t going to end well.
I never said it was acceptable. Do you call you’re children garbage when they misbehave? Does their behavior improve after you tell your child that you think they’re garbage? I don’t let my children hit anyone either, I just don’t call them garbage if they do.
Normal people don’t break the teachers glasses and punch them in the face. This is already major behavioral problems if your kids are school age and doing this.
Totally agree. But, normal people also don’t go around calling children garbage either.
As someone who was a child and therefore interacted with thousands of other children in public school I can confirm some children are garbage. Do you not remember school? Were all of those people ok?
I remember troubled kids that didn’t know how to handle what they where dealing with at home and internally. I don’t remember any garbage kids, no. The idea that a child was just born garbage is just cruel, I hope one day you can learn to forgive and let go of that hate inside.
No! Bad! No hitting children!
Punishing is much more than violence against children, and hitting them is one of the worst ways to punish for many reasons.
How about threaten to hit them with gestures?
Or maybe you talk to the kid and take away a privilege they have temporarily that is (at least close to) a natural consequence of behavior? But then again, I’m just a parent of a relatively well adjusted kid who isn’t violent and talks to me about their problems, so what the fuck do I know?
Man, the amount of people who default “punishment” to “violence against kids” is fucking stupid.
But it’ll get you upvotes on Lemmy apparently.
Show us on the thread where anyone advocated for hitting the kid? All I see is people assuming parents are going to hit the kid.
only 5… punish them
Sounds real normal and healthy. jfc. Who upvotes this trash?
It IS normal to punish 5 year olds. You don’t have to use violence to punish them. 5 years old is enough to understand consequences.
People who think you should teach kids not to hit people. And people who have enough braincells to rub together to understand that punishment and violence against children aren’t the same thing.
Okay, a garbage child then.
People are just violent apes until you raise them to be civilized.
5 year old me would never have punched a teacher just trying to teach the class
How do we know the child’s age? 5yo me was super mad at the world (neurodiverse in 1980s).
This is how children are treated. They’re completely controlled, disempowered, and then hated. It’s completely normalized.
You shouldn’t be in charge of anything. That’s called being complacent and leads to even worse problems.
Because I don’t call children garbage? OK lol
not mistreating you
You think this kid chose to be in school? It’s violent coercion from the start.
Teaching is not Teaching anymore, its doing the job of the breeders these days and raising their kids teaching them decent manners and how not to be a cunt.
Being a teacher is literally like adopting a class full of feral fuckin cats and trying to turn them into decent humans from the POS ipad baby version their parents have created.
Teaching is capitalist babysitting so the kids grow up indoctrinated and so the parents can waste their lives serving capital without the distraction of kids.
Teaching is not Teaching anymore, [its] … teaching them …
Wife used to be a teacher. Key word USED to.
Had a student who regularly threatened to kill her and destroyed her classroom at least twice a week. She would have to clear all the students into the hall while he went on a rampage in there.
The AP would just come down and give him video games to “calm him down”. Guess who learned to freak out for rewards?
It’s almost like kids don’t like being physically coerced into a prison for their whole day.
Yup, kids should never be coerced into doing anything they don’t like. They know best.
thank you
This specific child was being neglected at home. He clearly felt that school was the only place he could exert control without being hit for it.
The solution is obvious
I’m a teacher assistant, 80% sure I want to go into teaching (students assaulting me isn’t holding me back. Its just the self confidence of stepping up and leading the class is what’s holding me back. And granted, I’m not in the USA, so I don’t fear school shootings)
I’ve had students punch me. I’ve had students slam doors hard enough to break windows. But I also remember seeing the students learn something. The way their face lights up when they are smarter than their friend, or when they make a connection in math. THATS what is bringing me back to the classroom.
The shy kid in yr 8 is now school captain. The kid I personally nicknamed ‘Cartman’ because that was his personality, is helping the new kid around school when teachers aren’t looking.
Remember the good bits
The kid I personally nicknamed ‘Cartman’ because that was his personality, is helping the new kid around school when teachers aren’t looking.
Should we be worried that Cartman is helping other kids, or is that a sign that he really grew and matured as a person?
You’re a beautiful human beeing.
Surely the designer put it up as a prank.
Graphic designers do this crap all the time. I’ve got an aviation textbook with three meshed gears on the cover:
Is there a community for like these “looks/sounds great until you think about it for two seconds” style art/news/media fails? Because I feel like it would be fun time.
Don’t know. I suggest threemeshedgears for the title though.
https://lemmy.world/c/ThreeMeshedGears
Welp I made it
Hey that’s not fair, this could have been taken in Europe
Dude school kids were awful when I was one and couldn’t understand why they couldn’t think logically. I cant imagine how bad it is now after decades of brainrot and phones in schools. I would NEVER be a teacher.
I would but no one is offering enough money for me to do that job
As a youth soccer coach, I’d take this over some of the parents I’ve dealt with. We had one girl bullying other kids and when we told the mom she refused to believe us. Even when one of the other coaches told her she overheard it. The mom just said she must have misheard.
I’m feeling like there’s more to this story
And this on top of the trump administration convincing everyone that you want to do gender reassignment surgery on their children during lunch.
Where do you think we want to put the calming banana?
Exactly where this teacher wants this parent to put it.
This isn’t even that bad.
The reason bullies get away with being bullies at school is cause their parents also tend to be bullies. So when the little shit gets in trouble for being a bully, his fat parents will waddle in and bully the stuff and faculty for daring to discipline their little skid mark. Faculty don’t wanna deal with this, so they let the little shits get away with everything and only punishing the kids who fight back
This stupidity makes me need a calming banana.
Good first step, now make him write “I will eat my calming banana instead of getting angry” 1000 times on the chalkboard like Bart.
