Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez holds a slight lead over Vice President JD Vance in a hypothetical 2028 presidential matchup, according to a new poll.
The New York Democratic congresswoman, known as AOC, edges the likely Republican nominee 51% to 49%, in The Argument/Verasight survey released on Tuesday. However, the result was within the poll’s 2.7 percentage point margin of error, making the two candidates statistically tied. The poll asked voters who they would vote for if the election was between the two of them.
Just another example of how America is collapsing under the weight of its own corporate/oligarch dictatorship, corruption, ignorance, racism, and mental illness epidemic.
An intelligent, empathetic leader is basically tied with a traitorous, criminally sociopathic, con artist who possesses zero morals or ethics, and literally works for someone he previously called Hitler…
If the US weren’t a failed state, Trump would be in prison and Vance would be a fucking nobody.
Ahh yes… The very free and fair 2028 elections we’ll being having. The Republicans definitely won’t try every trick in the book to manipulate them or stop them outright. Nevermind establishment Dems fucking over primaries to shoehorn in their milquetoast candidates, while fucking over actual progressives!
I am so looking forward to voting our way out of fascism/ a dictatorship, as has absolutely been exhibited to work multiple times through history.
My fucking neighbor has a Trump 2028 sticker right under his Israeli flag
Historically strong state men love minorities and Jewish in particular
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what would lenin do?
we need socialism
I greatly fear that if AOC were to run, the terminally online left would pull the rug out from under her.
Any time she’s ever done any action that went not 100% in favor of the delusional mindset of idiots who think single politicians can usher in perfect communism, the TOL screamed bloody murder and withdrew all support and hype.
The same would happen in Nov 2028
AOC didn’t support Gaza and is not communist enough!!! I will protest vote Jill Stein or not vote at all.
- Tankies and oblivious leftists (these people are the reason progressive causes never go anywhere).
I’m not sure the terminally online left you mention make up a significant enough portion of any electorate to impact the race in this way.
Then they need to stop claiming that their threats make a difference.
Yeah, I’ve already seen some of the idiots saying she’s a corpo-centrist they wouldn’t vote for.
The perfect candidate will come around for them eventually, and until then- they will arrogantly sit on their smug little entitled asses and watch people suffer while America burns.
They’re every bit as bad a MAGA.
Yeah, I have the same fears. These people are probably way more vocal than their numbers, but I do wonder how much they do to sway others.
AOC isnt running for President, they already promised her Schumer’s seat if she backs off for President. Gavin is the Next One Up!
That’s what’s so disgusting and I fear.
Gavin Newsom is pro-Israel, pro-billionaire and pro-blue MAGA while also being anti-universal healthcare, anti-taxing the rich and anti-charisma when left to his own vices.
My sincerest fear is a repeat of the 2020 primaries. Ro Khanna or some other Bernie esc politician will run for the ticket and the left will once again divide themselves into oblivion. Bernie could still have won 2020 if the left didn’t stupidly allow itself to split between Elizabeth Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, and Andrew Yang.
Instead Newsom will win because the left loves defeat and hates unity.
Gavin will lose, so I hope you’re wrong about that.
No, Gavin has a key asset that the last two Democratic losing candidates (who were also the Next Ones Up) lacked…
A penis.
The actual left is almost completely irrelevant to any election
Vance won’t be the candidate and everyone knows it but Vance.
I’d bet on Tucker Carlson. 🤢
It’s going to be Donald Trump Jr. They won’t even need to change the hats.
I fear it’ll still be Trump, assuming he’s alive
Is it in any way legal? No. Has that stopped him yet? Also no.
I really want him to think he’s going to run again so that he’ll undermine anyone else that tries to run. And then he can croak or something after ruining the primaries and getting his followers to hate any would be successor.
I’ve stopped being so hopeful. The best I can hope for at this point is President Camacho
He actually listened to the experts.
That was one of the most unbelievable aspects of that movie.
As we all should.
He gets to the debates, then zones out and literally shits his diaper (audibly).
I don’t even think Trump can legally be president today.
And on top of what you said, there’s also the possibility that Trump will be alive but too senile to run.
He can’t legally run. He also has yet to be actually stopped from any of his other actions that are blatantly illegal so there is zero proof that he’ll stop now
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
The 14th Amendment doesn’t say that he can’t run. It says that he can’t hold any office. Trump has a “disability” from when he engaged in insurrection by intentionally inciting it, and that disability has not been removed by Congress.
This disability does not require he be convicted of any crime. Instead, the 14th Amendment simply requires that Congress enforce the Amendment:
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Donald Trump cannot legally hold any office under the United States. He cannot legally be president. The only reason he’s able to act like the president now is that Congress is not enforcing the Constitution.
I wouldn’t be surprised if, at some point in the future, perhaps even after Trump passes away, Congress finally grows some backbone and enforces the amendment, just to try to make up for the embarrassment that Trump causes us, similar to how the Germans would rather not remember that Hitler had been the Chancellor of Germany. Trump might be retroactively declared to have never been the president after January 6, 2021, and I think that would be in line with what is written in the Constitution.
With Marg as VP?
I’m all for a women president eventually, but perhaps the elections during an attempted fascist take over isn’t the time.
Some men will simply not vote for a woman, it’s sad, but it’s reality. If a woman is on the ballot the democrats will lose again.
The time will come, just not yet with stakes this high. I would love to see AOC as the first female president.
Attitudes like yours are why Democrats lose elections. We talk ourselves out of our best candidates. We try to compromise with Republicans right out the gate, and try to select the more moderate ‘electable’ candidate.
Your line of thinking got us Kerry, Clinton, and Biden.
Trying to select a candidate based on “electability” is bullshit, because you just end up selecting for the most uninspiring centrist who can’t get people to the polls.
You think you’re selecting for winners, but you’re taking your strongest pieces off the board.
Not sure if you’ve been paying attention but Americans chose a felon rapist insurrectionist pedophile over a more qualified woman the last two times a woman has been on the ballot.
Read the room.
If we run a woman, we will lose. And that doesn’t even take into account that many people who aren’t liberals (independents) do not like AOC because they believe she is too liberal.
Shove this Russian propaganda right back where it came from
I’m glad you choose to ignore objective reality and say stupid, bumbling shit instead.
Your teachers would be proud of the critical thinking skills you’ve developed. Keep up the good work.
You know you’ve lost the argument when you start throwing around slurs.
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Your line of thinking got us Kerry, Clinton, and Biden.
It got us Biden. I think you underestimate how much institutional support Kerry and Clinton had in the run up to their nominations. Kerry wasn’t even that bad of a candidate on his face. He just got railroaded in Ohio the same way Gore did in Florida, while everyone in national media threw up their hands and proclaimed “Too Liberal!”
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And how well has your strategy of “don’t rock the boat, don’t try anything new” been working out for you there, buddy? How many elections do we need to lose before you realize that you have crap instincts on what makes a candidate electable? In our current electoral landscape, the quickest way to lose an election is to be stupid enough to pick the “safe” candidate.
I think you may literally be insane. After all, what is insanity but repeating the same action again and again, but expecting a different result?
I think you personally don’t want a woman president, and you’re hiding behind concerns of electability because it’s not socially acceptable on lemjy to be an overt misogynist.
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Try learning how to spell Kamala, Ivan.
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If she wins the primary she should be the candidate. She probably won’t though, because the dems are going to sandbag her and select a safe corpo pol like the corpse of Chuck Schumer
So you’d rather go with a proven losing strategy?
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I’m still of the VERY strong opinion that Hillary and Kamala didn’t lose because they were women, but because they were Hillary and Kamala.
I don’t know, but maybe we shouldn’t base our gender litmus test off of literally the most unlikeable women the DNC could have picked.
I think you’re mostly right, but being women had to be at least a few percent of it.
Harris wasn’t the “most unlikeable” by a long shot, but she was certainly a solid “meh”.
Harris was hamstrung by not having a primary and listening to the worst possible advice from the people that helped Clinton lose to Trump.
I fear you are right. And with numbers like this, the Democrats have an uphill battle anyway, with all the rigging and ratfucking that the Republicans do, not to mention the EC system itself.
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50% of the population cannot be reasoned with.
Comes out closer to 27%, but the deck is so heavily stacked with Winner-Take-All elections and election manipulation through voter caging and outright fuckery a la The Brooks Brothers Riot that this cohort is heavily over-represented nationwide.
Hoping they’ll magically not be misogynistic or that they’ll vote in their own best interest for once is a fool’s errand.
The national punditry has so much invested in the superficial identity politics of a candidate, they can’t see whether a given individual is actually likeable. Nobody had Zohran Mamdani as a serious candidate for Mayor this time last year. Nobody had Donald Trump as a serious candidate in 2015. Even Obama’s run was largely considered a token bid for VP in late 2007.
Underestimate candidates like AOC and Rashida Tlaib at your own peril, conservatives.
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They also won’t vote for any democratic candidate no matter what genitalia they’re sporting. Basing our candidate on them is asinine.
Oh well, I’m sure they’ve got a white man somewhere who’s about 90 and will keep things just the way they are because to fix things is “undemocratic”.
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someone should take one for the team and form an alternative socialist government of the united states as a micronation. seriously!
JFC, “JD” “Vance” is about as appealing as a bucket of piss. How in the fuck is this even close?
I get it - AOC doesn’t have a dong and so a lot of mouthbreathers rule her out on that alone. But still, Christ. This is the stupid bootlick that called Donvict a Nazi and is now his VP and sits there and chastises one of our allies like some kind of cartoon bully.
America has repeatedly proven it will not vote for a woman, no matter how qualified she is
We’ve proven we don’t like centrist women with status quo platforms pretty convincingly. Anything more is speculative imo.
And yet it’s elected centrist man after centrist man. Funny, that.
The last time there was another option on the table he became the first black president in our nation’s history. Perhaps there’s a lesson to be learned there.
I think it’s a stretch to say Obama wasn’t centrist, but really it’s irrelevant. US voters were fine with voting in centrist men in if they were appealing enough, but once a centrist woman is put up, they’ll let a self-confessed wannabe dictator into office with hardly a fight.
Obama certainly acted like a centrist but that’s not how he campaigned which means that’s not what won him the election.
Again, irrelevant. Also, he won twice, so his initial campaign wasn’t the end all be all, either.
Yes, they’d vote for a male neoliberal instead of a female neoliberal.
That doesn’t mean they’d vote for a male conservative over a female progressive.
I guarantee you a far left woman like AOC is not going to get elected. Too many independents think she’s too far left. The right can win by being extreme right. The left can’t win by being extreme left. Not in this shithole.
That’s what they said about far left black men until Obama came along running as a progressive and won handily. For some reason we didn’t learn any lessons from that and went right back to boring centrist candidates afterwards.
It’d be good if we could define things like “far left”. AOC may be progressive, but not sure she’s really far left anything.
She’s about where the Democrats used to be and supposedly stood for at one time. Probably pre-Clinton for sure. The Republicans have been dragging the window to the right for years and years and all the money in politics sure ain’t helping.
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The women who were presented to America had many more problems than their gender. I’m not discounting the reality that a woman has to be exceptional to be considered adequate by the electorate, but “America will not vote for a woman” is true until it’s not.
Nah, I just think you personally are sexist and are looking to voters to validate your beliefs. Americans will vote for a women candidate. They just won’t vote for an uninspiring third way Democrat, whether they have a vag or not.
The only women they had to choose from were members of the establishment.
Let’s get a progressive out there and that way we have more data and can be more scientific about our analysis.
I had no idea who this JD Vance person was until he became trump’s running mate. Dude you’re not popular or interesting on your own. Don’t act like people actually like you, couch fucking baby.
You’ve been flying blind. JD’s been the spectre haunting American politics since the Obama Era. That creepy little turd’s backed his way up the drainpipe of American politics with the help of everyone from James Dobson to Oprah. He’s the Republicans’ Hillary Clinton.
He’s a Peter Thiel project. They met when Vance was in either college or law school. Shillbilly never would have met any of those people without Thiel’s help. Probably would never even have gotten a book deal trashing his family.
His best-selling memoir was turned into a Ron Howard film that got 2 Oscar nominations. He wasn’t nobody.
Ron Howard directed JD Vance’s biopic in 2020.
For anyone that isn’t aware of it: Hillbilly Elegy
The DNC will use all their resources to sabotage her and place a Israeli loyalist that supports insider trading, forgiving the criminals in charge now, not reversing any of the shareholder first policies and deregulation and continuing to ratchet us to Nazi land while gaslighting us about how great the economy is because line go up for the capitalist class.
Part of the reason why social democracy is so important on the path to socialism is because line must go up for everyone or we’re totally screwed. I have no doubt the DNC will do whatever it can to undermine a candidate like AOC, but if we can implement a policy like Medicare for all, that will be a massive win for getting to the goal in more ways than one.
Or AOC will win and become what you described.
i mean she would have to, if she wanted to live.
People didn’t want Kamala because she wasn’t democratically elected as the leader of the party in a primary so they let full blown fascism take over instead. They felt it was more important to send the Democrats a message instead of actually keeping some minimal form of democracy and freedom. 🙄
So they’ll probably not vote for AOC if she becomes leader of the Democratic party anyway because of some minor excuse, like how she supported Israel’s right to exist, or something. And the US will end up with a third Trump mandate.
I hope the US will prove me wrong. My hope in Americans doing the right thing is pretty low.
Kamala pr was so terrible that she lost because of the issue of economy and border protection
As we’ve seen in every election from 2016 on, election polling is useless now.
No.
People just don’t understand how stats actually works.
What you’re doing is no different than claiming any other science you don’t understand is fake
The only polling that has any almost meaningful numbers is post vote polling but even that is suspect
Prediction markets were correct though.
Since 2012. Remember when Herman Caine was the Republican nominee for a hot second? 🤣
The election isn’t won by getting the most total votes which means getting more than 50%+1 of liberal states isn’t worth anything and losing 1% of swing states loses you the whole thing.
Anyone who is statistically tied with couch fucker is not a great bet
Prolly shouldn’t take betting advice from anyone making that kind of inference based on a poll years away from an election.
You are commenting on an article which is discussing only whether or not AOC could win the presidency years away based entirely on said poll. Are you stupid or did you forget?
It isn’t that hard to suppose that a substantial minority wont vote for a woman, a person of color, or someone they associate with Muslims (she is actually Catholic).
We learned that its fatal to put up someone who inspires people to stay home but it is likely worrisome to tick too many boxes as far as implicit bias. Look what they tried to do to Barrack “Husein” Obama. We are if anything else more divided, more ready to believe lies, more susceptible to bias compared to 2008.
Furthermore Vance is a particularly uninspiring person. He is gross and indeed right up there with Cruz in likeability.
It is absolutely notable that a competent person with a history of actual competence and decency is barely tied with Vance.
51?
This is what’s wrong with people.
Even if trump had lost the election I was gonna be horrified if he had even gotten 30% of the votes. But this… Again. It doesn’t matter if AOC wins if half the country is basically saying, after all this, they want more.
These numbers mean absolutely fucking nothing. They could have surveyed people if they thought a rotten apple or pile of shit had a chance to win the white house and it would have been 49% to 51%
Fuuuuck yes!!!
I don’t want either to run personally. AOC needs to go to the Senate or replace Jeffries before I feel she is ready for the shit show that comes with the broken relationships Trump has caused.
Vance just needs to be the bottom to a couch falling from a skyscraper.
Not just that but quite a few idiot black voters will feel a certain kind of way that a Puerto Rican woman was supported but a black woman wasn’t. (have family who would see it that way).
AOC needs to go to the Senate or replace Jeffries before I feel she is ready for the shit show that comes with the broken relationships Trump has caused.
You’re a coward. This is cowardly thinking. This is what got us Biden. This is what got us Clinton. Democrats try and reason themselves out of going with their best candidate. They select someone who has no fire, passion, or charisma. They reject any candidate that can inspire the base, all on the grounds that they don’t have enough experience, aren’t moderate enough, etc. We nominate some unelectable centrist, ironically on the back of “electability.” And then Republicans nominate a reality TV star with no governing experience at all, and the electable Dem loses in a landslide.
Maybe you just don’t know what it means for a candidate to be electable?
Did you vote? 1st question. Secondly, I’m guessing you didn’t read the whole comment.
Children’s attention spans these days.
Are you illiterate?
Tl;Dr. Tankie drivel.
So first you pretend that your original comment had content it didn’t. Then you throw around slurs. You’re insane. Really, someone dares to criticize corporate Dems, and you just can’t help yourself. You start throwing around slurs like “tankie” in a completely irrelevant context. You’re just an llm at this point, a blind parrot rattling off catch phrases.
Blind, butthurt and a hypocrite. Who slung insults first?
Shame AOC and Bernie could not hijack the Democratic Party like Krasnov did to the fucking GOP.
I wish her the best of luck if she decides to run and she would stomp on Vance.
I blame suburbanites and another group of people we’re not ever allowed to blame for anything ever no matter what.
They didn’t want to pay more in taxes and it was ‘her turn.’
This is why we have fascism.
