• TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.world
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    She could have left out the middle paragraph, and this still would have been a mature, reasonable response without the praise.

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      Yeah. “We’re sorry for his family that he’s dead, regardless of who he was as a person, that’s gotta suck for them.” Totally fine.

      “And here this embodiment of literally everything wrong with America, directly responsible for the deaths of thousands, instrumental in weakening the norms of integrity and public interest for his own financial gain and helping in some small way to lay the foundation for our current debacle, a punchline of corruption and slaughter, infamous in the news and reviled in public life, he’s got my vote though! You see I am not willing to deal in uncomfortable truths even when the public can see them unanimously” could have been omitted.

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        Yeah. “We’re sorry for his family that he’s dead, regardless of who he was as a person, that’s gotta suck for them.” Totally fine.

        Hmm, yes, interesting. Shall I post what Harris said when Sinwar was killed?

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      To be fair, her wording is written very politically. You could say it of pretty much any top political figure – good or bad – and have it be true

      Cheney caused a lot of death and suffering. Sometimes it was through his actions as a leader, other times his incompetence with a gun. He was dedicated though, spent much of his life in politics

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    Jeez, democrats seem to really like Charlie Kirk and Dick Cheney.

    I wonder why they’re having trouble with Muslim voters…

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        Oh no they can just insult, scold, and abandon their voters and they will still come home. You don’t understand, Democratic politicians are entitled to the votes of minorities.

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        But, but, but … no matter the politics of their candidate clicking their heels and saying the magic words “vote us to stop the other guy” has always worked as their main electoral strategy.

        Obviously with such a magical and infallible electoral strategy, this election loss can only be explained by there being something wrong with the voters themselves as that strategy makes the quality and politics of the candidate be irrelevant!

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      This x1000. Ain’t even gotta be Eid al-Adha, Muslims stay the scapegoats for Dems.

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    All you had to do was say nothing, Kamala.

    Why do liberals not realize that the right will NEVER vote for them no matter how much they pander, and everyone else hates them because they have no moral or ethical compass.

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    She’s still playing that “let’s meet in the middle” charade that didn’t do shit for her during her campaign?

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    If you’re saying “Kamala Harris y’all” in 2025 and this response surprises you, then you need to seriously get your shit sorted out. She made it plain who she was last year. It’s why she didn’t get elected.

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      She made it plain who she was last year. It’s why she didn’t get elected.

      Not really dude lol

      I mean yes it’s accurate that if she had been Bernie Sanders or said popular things she would probably have won. But also, the exclusive and passionate focus on how much the left was officially ordered to hate her for a variety of reasons, and not pay any attention to what an objective catastrophe Trump would be in such a huge variety of ways, is pretty fuckin’ significant.

      If your child decides to go high dive into an empty swimming pool instead of go to the museum, then sure, maybe the museum’s not age appropriate or it features some colonialism. That could have made a difference. Yes. But, also, there are clearly more fundamental things that are wrong.

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        the left was officially ordered to hate her

        Who ordered that? How was that order communicated?

        If the left is that easy to order around, why didn’t the Democrats just order them to vote for her?

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          So here’s a perfect example of what I’m talking about:

          If you had to pick one most damning issue that was the place where she made it plain who she was last year, that lost her support, what would it be? What do you think the biggest one was, if you had to pick one?

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              Happy to. You first though. If you had to pick the biggest most damning issue where she made it plain who she was, what would it be?

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                Speaking as someone who’s not American, I lost hope for her campaign when she made a show of getting endorsements from some pretty reprehensible Republicans (including but not limited to Dick Cheney).

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                  I really would be happy to. I need them to answer my question first, though, in order to make the point that I want to make. Instead they evaporated, which means I don’t owe them continuation of the conversation with the blank void they’ve left in their absence.

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            I’d say her attitude towards the Palestinian protesters at her rally in Detroit was the last straw for me. It was a misstep that may have been due to pressures of running a rushed campaign and the stress of detractors at every stop, but to carry on and at no point express common goals with the protesters showed her hand well enough for me.

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          “Harris supports genocide so you shouldn’t vote” was like shooting fish in a barrel. That it folded perfectly into russia’s goals for the election is pure coincidence.

          If the left is that easy to order around, why didn’t the Democrats just order them to vote for her?

          Democrats suck at messaging. See Democratic consultants for more information.

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            Did Russia ask Kamala to support genocide?

            Just waving every failure in US politics as a Russian master-stroke plot is really getting old. You have the largest surveillance tech in the whole wide world, show proof or GTFO with your conspiracies.

            Obligatory Fuck Russia and Putin.

            Slava Ukraini!

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        More “blame progressives” BS.

        If corpo dems spent a fraction of the energy they waste attacking progressives on fighting republicans instead we wouldn’t be in this situation.

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        She has always been pretty shit. That much is indisputable.

        Voting for her was still the correct thing to do (and what I did), because the degree of Trump’s fascism and corruption is much greater and more dangerous.

        But it’s incredibly naive to think this behavior of hers is in any way new. It’s exactly who she’s always been.

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        if she had … said popular things she would probably have won

        Yes the bar was fucking low and the dems still failed (generously assuming they wanted to win).

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        If your child decides

        How BlueMAGA Democrats see the people they want to vote for them.

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    She was a fantastic choice when the choices were her and Trump. That time has passed, and with it her value as a lesser evil.

    By more objective measures, she’s just another sack of shit.

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        Correct. And lesser. Did your actions nudge the scale toward the lesser evil or the greater evil? Cuz if you had the opportunity to do the former and chose to do nothing over some ideal, your inaction supported the greater evil. Lots of people did just that, and the greater evil won.

        We desperately need systemic change, but that’s not going to happen with a ballot - best we can do there is damage control, so do damage control. Do other shit too, but understand that your vote is a dichotomy.

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          I didn’t “do nothing over some ideal”. I voted for Jill Stein over some ideal. If more people had done that, we wouldn’t be in the current shitshow.

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            I didn’t “do nothing over some ideal”. I voted for Jill Stein over some ideal.

            Reminds me of an old Red vs Blue skit.

            “It’s not pink! It’s light red!!”

            You had some measure of power to nudge the outcome away from Donald Trump, and you chose not to. That is synonymous with doing nothing. Now we have Donald Trump. You sure showed us!

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    He was the most vocal supporter of the state engaging in torture. Firstly it’s an evil thing to do. But even if you don’t care about that, as an American the 8th amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, this is why they had to do it outside US soil. And if you don’t love America or the rule of law either, then you should know that the experts agree it doesn’t fucking help. Torture doesn’t get you good information, it can be used as a population control technique, but it’s a risky one that can really backfire, ask Ghaddafi.

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      “You just don’t accuse a PASTOR of SEX ABUSE Jesus Christ Marissa I better never hear of this again, I mean EVER.”

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      No one gives a shit what Harris has to say on the matter. She lost and then fucking bounced to go sign a book deal because she doesn’t actually give a fuck. But she does love hanging out with Liz Cheney so there’s always that.

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        She accuses Jill Stein of not doing anything between elections, and then after the election she goes on vacation and then writes a book about how she lost. She didn’t even attend No Kings! What has she been doing to fight this tyranny she warned us about?

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      Hey, I don’t know that I care that Miss Newly Irrelevant Politician Lady is posting a politically motivated condolences post and I know we’d be better off if she had won. But Dick Cheney was an aggressively evil piece of shit and doesn’t deserve tact.

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      Adults generally don’t consider glazing monstrously evil war criminals to be tactful.

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      Short term, yeah, we’re a lot better off. However, there’s no way we get the progressive wave we got along with the strong potential to more than flip both the house and senate without all this pain first.

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      nah, she’s done. any bluster from her henceforth is just gonna be promotion for her books and speeches.

      i’m almost grateful that she ran in lieu of joe, because it finally exposed just how much of an empty shell the party has become.

      you can’t fight oligarchy if your dick is in the sauce.

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        She will definitely be in the primary, assuming there is one (I just doubt that establishment Dems would dare keep her out), but my hope is that she will get squashed pretty quickly.

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          i don’t think she’ll do that, and i base my assumption solely upon the fact that she hasn’t done a fucking notable thing since losing.

          Come to think of it, NOBODY is doing anything… makes you wonder if the clowns really represent you.

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      I can’t wait to see her bomb out even harder than she did in 2020, when she dropped out without getting a single vote.

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    And they wonder why they lost??

    Praising a monster with this bullshit does not speak compassion, it speaks weakness.

    It’s funny how she unwittingly sealed her own fate, and she doesn’t know it.

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      Praising a monster with this bullshit does not speak compassion, it speaks weakness.

      Weakness requires far too much benefit of the doubt. It’s complicity.

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    Yeah, we’re definitely better off with her not being president. Much happier with what we got instead.

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      This whole fiasco might result in a much stronger and more socialist left flank all in all, so I look forward to more wins like mamdani, I guess time will tell

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      All “damage control” ever did for US progressives was embolden people like Harris. Yea, since they put off standing up for themselves for so fuckin’ long this is the kinda shit that has to be dealt with but with all the people seemingly ok with the need for a civil uprising, possibly even a civil war, to fix things I mean really this could be worse.

      The next time an election comes around, whenever that is, we’ll all get to see if ya’ll really mean it or if giving up on the whole country is really gunna be the right call.

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    Polite words after someone kicks the bucket, whoever they may be, is politics, understandable.

    That said, it does seem like she went out of her way to lay it on thick, didn’t she? With a nasty synthetic aftertaste to it. She chose her words carefully and it looks like her kissing the boot of a fucking goddamned sick soulless monster.

    Here’s my obituary for cheney:
    He shot a man in the face, then abused his tremendous privilege to avoid police questioning for 36 hours, after he’d had time to sober up, even as he got hundreds of thousands of people killed by kicking a hornet’s nest in the Middle East, all for oil profit of his Halliburton and Clearwater buddies.

    Rest not, but wallow in shit and eternal damnation,
    Dick “Why Don’t You Go FUCK YOURSELF?!!” Cheney