As a member of a jury, you absolutely have the right to refuse to indict. Just make sure you don’t mention jury nullification during the jury selection process. Judges and prosecutors hate that.
I mention it every time I’m in the jury selection process to ensure I never have to do jury duty
How many times can he be retried for the same crime if the Jury does that? As I fully expect Trump to demand the DOJ keep doing it as many times as they can
If anyone is to get the death penalty—which I’m against—it should be the people calling for him to get the death penalty.
Everyone say it with me, “Luigi Mangione is an innocent man being framed by the government because they were unable to find the real culprit.”
#free Luigi
If I were on the Jury hes innocent. My grandma died from a bad premium.
I doubt the defense would go that route but I’m really curious how it would turn out. Like you’re allowed to use deadly force to save a life, and it could be reasonably argued that hundreds, maybe thousands of lives were saved in the aftermath of the shooting.
Realistically there’s no way that can be allowed to be a legal precident, but it would be funny to try.
My grandfather was about to be kicked out of his nursing home by united. Then the shooting happened amd they “noticed” that his care was actually still covered.
Jury nullification doesn’t require a reason and isn’t usually cited as precedent.
I meant specifically a not guilty verdict on the grounds of defense. That would be wild. Obviously nullification or some technicality of law is going to be the best bet.
So, you really think that a new CEO will act any differently? No lives were saved. The problem is the system. Not an individual CEO.
In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, insurance companies knee jerk approved a shitload of claims they would have normally denied. Even if that’s been “fixed,” the positive effect happened and was not negligible.
I would vote not guilty no matter what if I was on his jury. Billionaires and major corporate CEOs need to live in fear for how they treat people. They kill tons of people with their callousness and greed.
It’s literally self defense at this point.
Stick me on that same jury. Not guilty x2.
Honestly the death penalty is cruel. The government should not be executing people.
one word: jury nullification.
Two words
it’s actually 3 words.
I count four
More, if you read between the lines.
Lights?
nah, “one” isn’t a word, it’s a number.
Given the general discontent with healthcare it feels inevitable. People identify with Mangione’s plight in a way they don’t with the money grubbing CEO.
Just knowing about this can disqualify you from being on a jury. And lying about knowing about it can get you a jail sentence.
Possession of weed can also get you a jail sentence. What’s your point?
The point is that you should probably stop smoking weed cause your brain has become mashed potatoes. If you are disqualified from the jury you can’t help anything and if you get arrested for lying they will change the entire jury, considering it completely compromised.
The real point is, stop talking about it. Choose instead to talk about how innocent you think the man is so that you don’t risk tainting potential jurors who might be sympathetic to your point of view.
I’m not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.
you should probably stop smoking weed cause your brain has become mashed potatoes.
That’s the most ignorant thing I’ve ever heard. You really bought into that fried egg propaganda commercial, didn’t you?
No, I was also just making a joke because what you commented was idiotic.
However, I’ve smoked weed and lived around people who smoke weed. So I’m quite familiar with the effects and you should probably cut down.
I have only has second hand contact to weed. There’s nothing for me to cut down on.
This really seems like a scenario where that’s the ideal result. Even assuming he were guilty and the prosecution were able to prove it, he should not be convicted based on the extenuating circumstances of exploitative healthcare costing needless harm and death to millions
or summary judgement.
Aren’t those only for civil trials?
Mostly he’ll avoid the death penalty because he didn’t do it. Trump’s comments just make it a bit easier.
Death penalty for a murder of a single persons seems harsh. I’m anti death penalty 100% of the time, though.
They want the death penalty in case other Americans get ideas. They want to make an example out of him.
It’s a thin line between making an example or making a martyr of him, so the case will likely perpetually linger in limbo.
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ah I see you’re still using “person” as a measurement unit instead of the more modern “net worth”
Am I the only one to find the phrase “net worth” disgusting? It should be “net wealth” or something.
No, there are at least 2 of us. Even the concept that it’s somehow a useful measure to anyone else than your local tax authorities (except maybe for people running for public office) sounds a bit iffy to me.
So you are right that giving it a name that ties it to your “worth” as a person is terrible.
Is it net worth, or how much money this guy gave Trump behind the scenes?
This particular murder is a challenge to the rule of law as a basic principle in a way that, for example, multiple murders by a serial killer are not. The serial killer does more direct harm, but IMO this murder requires more forceful repudiation by society.
The tag I gave you months ago checks out.
LOL I am on web and after reading the above comment I thought “I wish was using Voyager so I could tag that user”
TIL you can tag users in Voyager. I’ve been using it since I moved to Lemmy and never knew.
You can tag users in Thunder too
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It’s a handy feature. Boost has it too!
Nice, now I kind of wish you could see what other people have tagged users as. Except for the rampant abuse that would proliferate from that capability.
Haha, yeah I know what you mean.
…huh. I read that as giving the viewpoint of this administration, not as presenting a more fundamental (to them) truth.
I suspect you’ve got the more accurate read; thanks for posting this!
That’s awesome how do I do this. I keep seeing these enablers or bots with increasing frequency
Do you use web or a mobile app? Voyager, thunder, and boost have this as a feature, and apparently there’s a Firefox extension that can do it also
If that is your take then you are a monster. A sociopathic monster.
The CEO in question was directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of people through sheer greed.
You are not a human being.
What do we do about the murder of thousands by using AI to refuse medical care, and instead funnel the profits to shareholder portfolios?
And what exactly makes this one worse than others?
The victim being rich and powerful, unlike most murder victims?
The victim belonging to a group of people very lucrative to the powers that be?
The fact that your favorite authoritarian politicians and talking heads said so on tv?
The aggravating factor is not the identity of the victim but rather the intent of the murderer. There have already been two more murders inspired at least partially by the murder of Brian Thompson (at least to the extent that the killers also wrote messages on the shell casings). If the rule of law is to be preserved, then it must be made clear that those who try to use violence as a tool for extralegal social change will not succeed, and that they will be punished severely.
Talk to your buddy trump about respecting the rule of law. Also, violence is inherent with government, what the fuck are you talking about?
Do you think not respecting Hebeas Corpus is not violent? How about putting hard-working innocent people in chains and sending them to concentration camps?
You have serious issues.
No significant social change has been acquired without violence, like it or not.
The aggravating factor is not the identity of the victim but rather the intent of the murderer
I’d personally argue that the motive is a huge mitigating factor in this case. Especially when you consider the hell that the insurance industry leeches put him and his family through.
IF it’s even him, that is.
If the rule of law is to be preserved, then it must be made clear that those who try to use violence as a tool for extralegal social change will not succeed, and that they will be punished severely.
I’m of the opinion that law doesn’t automatically equal justice and that justice is MUCH more important than law.
Which is why I consider illegal but justifiable actions against legally entrenched injustice much less egregious than that which is unjust but perfectly legal.
The problem with this line of thinking is that people like Brian Thompson are excused entirely. How much pain, suffering, and unnecessary death did Brian Thompson enable with his policies? And what recourse did his victims have?
Fix that problem, and attacks like this don’t happen in the first place.
Bro, we have a 2 tier justice system. This just makes it a little more just.
Username checks out.
Arbitrary benchmarks.
I guess it makes sense. A principled murder needs harsher punishment than even a serial killer… That’s the theory anyway.
Luigi shouldn’t be in jail at all. He was just looking out for several million of his friends.
Is it just me, or do all the new news pics of Luigi look less… Pro-Luigi?
Mansions saved thousands of lives and more for future generations. Those poor people being denied health…
How, is united healtcare bankrupt? Did they change and approve everyone? AFAIK they are just as scummy with a different CEO.
In the wake of the shooting, the immediate aftermath, a lot of people suddenly got the health care they’d been denied. It’s true that they didn’t change long term, but for a little while, they did.
It is so horrible to know that these people need to be actually afraid or they’ll continue to hurt people.
Great work Trump! … eww… that felt weird.
Where are all the “jury nullification” comments?
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The judge ordered the DOJ prosecutors to file a response by Oct. 3 that included “a sworn declaration from a person of suitable authority…that explains to the Court how these violations occurred, despite the Court’s April 25 Order, and what steps are being taken to ensure that no future violations occur.”
The order further required the prosecutors “to advise the Deputy Attorney General, for dissemination within the Department as appropriate, that future violations may result in sanctions, which could include personal financial penalties, contempt of court findings, or relief specific to the prosecution of this matter,” and to include “confirmation that this message has been conveyed to the Deputy Attorney General” in the sworn declaration due Oct. 3.
Garnett concluded by stating that she “will consider” the statements by DOJ employees cited in the defense letter as part of the defense’s motion to strike the death penalty, spelling out a potentially very real consequence for a Trump administration that has aggressively agitated for severe consequences for Thompson’s murder.
