As much as I wish it were the case, this is not even close to the only dem I’ve spoken to who is brainwashed into thinking that anything truly left, like much of the world outside of the US, could never work in reality. Suggesting it means you voted 100% for Trump or Stein, and if you say you didn’t you are lying. You can agree with them on damn near every social policy under the sun and provide metrics from progressive nations on their successes, and they’ll refuse to accept that anyone could possibly be more progressive than them, despite literal mountains of easily verifiable evidence.

I think unfortunately many people are just very politically ignorant and have no desire to even begin to question the US process or try anything different. The US is simply the best at everything. Europe and their crazy whacko ideas may as well be an alien planet and not worth thinking about.

Of course this isn’t all people, some shift is happening (as long as its not called socialism, generally), but in my personal experience leftist ideas pretty much get you locked out of any discussion. I typically get smug “Oh its so cute you’re in your socialist phase, you’ll grow out of it and understand politics like me” treatment.

I had a lib tell me the other day that democratic socialists are actually a secret SpecOp branch of the Tea Party tasked with infiltrating the dem party and undermining the efforts of patriots like Jeffries and Schumer, and that it is a blatant lie and MAGA propaganda that countries left of US dems exist and are functional. Europe has apparently been a warzone since WWII because they’re taken over by socialist terror organizations. I was then blocked for linking to the Wikipedia article for Democratic Socialism.

I think breaking the blue tribe propaganda is going to be one hell of an uphill battle, unfortunately. A lot of dems align on policies with leftists, at least socially, but once you use the trigger words, their programming activates and freak the fuck out and call you a MAGA plant despite all evidence to the contrary.

Because of people like you ripping the reins back and saying people ready to stop this madness are wrong, we do not have the unity needed to start effective resistance conflict. We can’t fight how we need to, because too many of you exist who are ready to throw us to the wolves if we try.

You are deluding yourself thinking that fascists understand anything but violence, that they will have empathy or pity for you if you act helpless enough for long enough. Meanwhile, people like the man in this article have real, tangible suffering that is all too easy for you to ignore, because you have never experienced it yourself

This is already a dark scenario and things are getting worse without getting better. We hit that magical 3.5% protest number a few months ago and here we are. The dictator just announced more troop deployments, stating that Portland, a major metro area filled woth normal people doing nothing wrong, is an active warzone taken over by terrorists and that the military can use full force to murder civilians in an attempt genocide the “others” in society.

You are refusing to grasp the reality of the situation. When enough people do what you are doing, it normalizes fascism.

Everyone wishes violence doesn’t exist. No one wants to live through fascism or face the possibility of dying early in war. But refusing to prepare for those things when they are at your doorstep, and encouraging others to do the same, is dangerous and harmful.

So do you believe this 79 year old used violence and this was the result? My guess was he tried to be peaceful and naive, like you, and guess what? ICE laughed because they got an easy target.

You are also in these comments saying people can’t provide an example of violence being used to stop fascism. Guess whatever passed for a school where you’re from didn’t teach you about allied forces spending years successfully beating back fascism. To be fair it was a very little known movement called World War Two. People like you not being taught what that sacrifice meant are the reason we are here.

Violence is a tool. It is neither good or bad. Looking at one group using violence to terrorize and harm innocents, and another group using it against THOSE people to stop it, and saying they’re both equally bad is so incredibly absurd that it is obvious you are not arguing in good faith and instead siding with the first group but pretending to be neutral.

What do we do about the murder of thousands by using AI to refuse medical care, and instead funnel the profits to shareholder portfolios?

All people are people, regardless of where they live. Borders are just another way for capitalists to fuel the class war. Keep malding that I’m not a tankie 🤙

Good thing the political spectrum left of center is far more nuanced than just being communism, then.

Also, not going to get into a debate about whether certain people should be considered people or whatever you’re baiting, sounds like fascism to me.

🤷 try glasses

Reeeeeeeeeee I spouted centrist nonsense in a leftist space and I’m getting ratio’d reeeeeee

Yes? You do realize tankies are a minority group and that in many nations “leftist” is just a normal political position?

I’m honestly not sure what you’re trying to say here