The DNC will absolutely shit all over her efforts. They’d rather lose the elections than have a progressive win.
It’s a shame but they probably will.
And yet they’ve lost in every way you can lose. If we don’t have a good candidate like AOC, then the GOP will dominate.
Democratic voters don’t want to waste their votes on another unelectable female presidential candidate.
This Democratic voter would love to vote for a young, promising, progressive candidate though
No, the people currently in the Democratic party don’t want to rock the boat and maintain status quo. They have cushy jobs they don’t want to lose to people that actually want to help fix things so they’ll stand in the way in any way they can.
I’m not saying that Americans won’t think “oh, a third? really?” but you have to remember that Kamala fucking sucked. She was a pacifier the Biden administration threw at us to shut us up about him stepping down, and she knew she was, and if she cared at all, she lacked the strength to step out of line or say anything about it. Nobody believed she would meaningfully change their lives—that’s ultimately why she lost.
She lost to the fascist head of the new project 2025, and in her closing speech said something about the stars in the night sky and went on vacation. Pointing out that she’s a woman before pointing out that she and the rest of her democrat cohorts do not have any beliefs is absurd.
I agree with your statement but I mean that I want AOC instead of another unelectable female candidate.
I want to vote for AOC and I’ve been registered Democrat since 2016.
As much as I’d love her to be president … I agree - this country is not ready for a female president.
Not with that attitude it isn’t. It also wasn’t ready for a black man to be president, a Catholic man, a disabled man, a gay man, etc.
Also, in 2016 the majority of Americans did vote for a female president. This indicates perhaps it wasn’t the right candidate rather than the wrong time.
Time after time we put our heads on the chopping block thinking this Tim it will be different. Do me a favor, save this and let me know how it goes if she somehow gets the nod from the DNC which she won’t. But if she does and once again we lose to a repub you let me know how that went. I’ve heard plenty of women say they don’t want a woman in office. I don’t agree. But this country is not yet enlightened enough to make that happen.
I get where you are coming from, but I am not sure I agree. It would definitely be something to behold if it happened.
I do share some of your pessimism about this though. I to think that AOC may be shunned by the DNC neo liberals.
I just hope their primaries keep some unity and don’t make her or Newson losing votes depending on the pick. Dems are too split inside and I could see neo-liberals not voting for her or lefties not voting for Newson. If Dems can’t find unity they will not win.
We’ve gotta do everything we can to prevent a Newsom or other craven neoliberal lunatic from getting the nomination, otherwise we are going to get a much much worse traitor lunatic next time around.
America will not vote a minority woman as President in this century. They would never even vote for a woman.
Right candidate, wrong country.
both just did the exact same strategy that always costs the dems elections. Hilary won the popular vote, remember?
Popular vote isn’t enough in the United states. Also, Hilary is Bill’s wife. That’s part of why she got as many votes as she did. If I was American, I would vote for AOC but I know she’d never win. A woman of colour has no chance down there. I hate saying it, but it is what it is.
She and Bill also controlled and funded the DNC.
I think there’s something to that, but I think with a sufficient mass movement behind it, such a candidate could overcome the obvious treason.
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No, of course I would vote against the Republican if the Democrat were Newsom, that’s just common sense. I’m saying that we need to do everything we can to prevent him from being the nominee now, while we can still affect things.
That’s how parties that don’t actually serve the majority end up dying. It’s a flaw in democracy that it can be so easily corrupted by the wealthy classes.
It ends up all being a sham, then a shame, then a dictatorship.
Yes, and as many of us need to say it as possible or they will ratfuck their way to running an unelectable republican-lite in the general.
That’s not what they said at all.
I consider myself a neoliberal, and I am going to vote for AOC. I have grown quite fond of her over the years and she is quite the politician these days. She’s extremely sharp and polished. I think she’s ready.
Neo-Liberaliam / Economic Liberalism is part of what got Trump elected. The sense that Capitalism was beyond the reach of meaningful governance, and will always just aid the wealthy getting wealthier - created a hunger for radical change.
People end up just wanting radical change out of frustration, regardless of what direction that change takes (left or right). They just want a break in unrelenting Capitalism.
Which explains why for many, Bernie, AOC, and Trump, were all likable/popular choices at the same time.
Newsome as a moderating figure will prevent any strong shift away from the service of Capitalism as above all else, and hence is a huge danger to the politics of equilibrium. It’s ratchet theory, keeps things stuck.
… Neo-Liberals should be embarrassed to admit who they are, because they caused this, by claiming that Capitalism and deregulation is a moderate position (steering the ship of state between the left and the right) - when infact that’s an economic extremist viewpoint which excuses inept government and the corruptions of money… and when perpetuated infinitum as it is, it becomes the cause of voter radicalism.
Neo-Liberal economic policies create the unshifting corruption and two-tier “too big to fail, too rich to jail” system that people want to vote against.
In this sense Newsome is dead weight, representing Bidenism 2.0. Neo-Liberals should be ashamed of themselves for not just accepting their part in creating the quagmire, but wanting to continue it.
AOC would receive my vote.
It doesn’t matter. IF there are any elections again, they’ll be rigged
Defeatism doesn’t help anyone. It’s worth trying, at least. It might not be reliable as the only action any more, but that doesn’t disqualify it entirely.
I think this is the point she should start fearing for her life.
A car accident or random violence could always just, y’know, happen.
That’s a very fair fear. 2 dead demos 1 almost kid napped that wacko that charged the white house and all the bombs that got sent to Obama.
Also Kirk Advenger whacko’s. Her and Bernie along with progressive YouTubers are probably the top of their list.
It’s rumored that the CIA hacked Michael Hasting’s car and killed him before he could expose the CIA Director.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#Controversy_over_alleged_foul_play
Former U.S. National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism Richard A. Clarke said that what is known about the crash is “consistent with a car cyber attack.” He was quoted as saying: “There is reason to believe that intelligence agencies for major powers—including the United States—know how to remotely seize control of a car. So if there were a cyber attack on [Hastings’] car — and I’m not saying there was, I think whoever did it would probably get away with it.”
I have never forgotten that case, and remote control of cars has been demonstrated IRL in the time since, so I’m definitely convinced of the possibility.
Oh wow - haven’t heard about this in a minute. I was in Los Angeles for an internship when this happened and I remember how weird the circumstances of his death were. Thanks for the reminder!
Schumer better just retire
Its too bad nobody will be allowed to vote freely by 2028 and she will lose. Too little too late.
If i can make them have to work even just a little bit harder to game the votes then it’s worth it to me.
Oh we’ll be allowed to vote, but it will all be counted as a vote for the R candidates. Also AOC will probably be locked up and on death row when they claim she’s the head of antifa.
If I had a dollar for every year I’ve heard “Politics is over. We’re a one party country now”, I’d have collected at least 6 dollars over the last 12 cycles.
Maybe she will run in Canada?
I think the bigger problem isn’t that she’s a young talented woman and America isn’t ready for that, I think the DNC is too stupid to ever let it happen even if it means winning because she likely won’t play as much ball with them as they’d want. My money is still on the DNC pushing Buttigieg. I believe they will offer any major opponents the same kind of offer I believe he got when he was crushing Biden in the early states. Drop out, make way for the anointed one, and we’ll give you a cabinet position and a shot down the line (maybe). The DNC will absolutely go younger, but I do not believe they’ll ever go progressive, which is why they will never get my vote again until they do.
Should have done it in the last election.
She was barely old enough to run then.
i dont think she was old enough
She was, her birthday is in October while the election was in November.
She was born 10/13/89 so she was just old enough.
don’t usually pay attention 3 years out. VP pick could be key.
There are two ways this can go
- AOC is sabotaged in the primary like Bernie, she loses
- AOC somehow wins the primary, shes than sabotaged by her own party during the general election and loses.
she looses
Looses the dogs of war?
Honestly why can’t mofos on the Internet spell ‘loses’ correctly?….
I don’t know, but it’s annoying.
The spelling of “lose/loose” is the exception to the common rule that words like “chose/choose” follow.
Same reason why they keep mixing up you’re and your; or there, their, and there. It’s simple stuff, but maybe they’re non-native speakers (or probably just dumb).
Because English orthography makes no sense.
The billionaires would probably run a liberal coded centrist in the general just to take votes form her.
There are many other parties they can join that won’t boycott them, if they stay there it’s because they are fine with it.
Right now I’m more interested in 2026. We need to be out there volunteering and promoting the DNC to hold seats and remove the GOP.
Yeah next year has to happen bigly or there will definitely be no 2028
Really hope she does run for POTUS. She’d make a great President.
Have u learned nothing from the last 10 years. America is simply too racist and sexist and stupid, so fucking stupid, to accomplish this. She will probably be a great Commander in the Rebel Alliance though. In the coming civil war.
Kamala lost because she was an awful candidate, not because she was a woman.
Kamala won if you discount proven illegal cheating, like purging legitimate voters.
She would have won despite cheating if she wasn’t trying to be republican-lite.
The GOP only cheats as hard as they need to. If she had more votes, they would have cheated harder.
She’d look pretty hot in a revolutionary commando outfit…
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Michelle Obama would have trounced Trump… but the dems would rather lose than abandon fascism.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/only-michelle-obama-bests-trump-alternative-biden-2024
I’d be happy to see her win. But, I don’t think she would have a real shot in 2028.
Even just ignoring the fact that she’s a woman, relatively young and has non-centrist positions. It’s not common for people whose only political experience is in congress to win the presidency.
- Biden: Senator then VP
- Obama: Senator
- Dubya: Governor
- Clinton: Governor
- Bush: VP
- Reagan: Governor
- Carter: Governor
- Ford: VP
- Johnson: VP
- JFK: Senator
- Eisenhower: Supreme Allied Commander, Europe; Military governor of American-occupied sector of Germany
- Truman: Senator then briefly VP
- FDR: Governor
- Hoover: Secretary of commerce, Director of the United States Food Administration
- Coolidge: Governor then VP
- Harding: LT Governor then Senator
- Wilson: Governor
- Taft: Governor of Cuba, Governor-General of the Philippines
- Roosevelt: Governor then VP
- McKinley: Governor
- Cleveland: Governor
- Harrison: Senator
- Cleveland: Governor
IMO, she really should first run for Governor of NY. Especially if Mamdami wins and she has a strong ally as mayor of NYC. Even a short term as Governor of NYC would give her experience as an executive, which she currently lacks.
Maybe I’m an old timer around these parts, but I remember these same exact arguments being used against Obama. “He’s only been a senator for two years, and what was he before that, a “”“community organizer””“?”
In fact, I’m pretty sure she’s got more political experience, on a national scale, than he did at the point where he as nominated.
Some people have been elected president with no political experience. But, the trend is pretty clear.
Obama was a constitutional scholar. We can debate academic vs hands on, but he was well versed.
AOC is herself, pretty well educated:
[In high school] She came in second in the microbiology category of the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair in 2007 with a research project on the effect of antioxidants on the lifespan of the nematode Caenorhabditis elegans.[23][24] In a show of appreciation for her efforts, the MIT Lincoln Laboratory named a small asteroid after her: 23238 Ocasio-Cortez.[25][26] In high school, she took part in the National Hispanic Institute’s Lorenzo de Zavala (LDZ) Youth Legislative Session. After graduating, she became the LDZ secretary of state while attending Boston University. Ocasio-Cortez had a John F. Lopez Fellowship.[27]
That was before she even went to college
I’m gonna focus on college and after. But it’s not that just that Obama was educated, he was a practicing lawyer and professor steeped in constitutional law.
I mean she graduated cum laude from Boston University with a Bacheslors in International Relations and Economics
That isn’t nothing.
Sigh. I didn’t say it’s not nothing. You’re making up a strawman to argue against.
I’m highlighting the extensive and impressive qualifications of Obama. They are massively different. You know I started typing more but there’s no point in discussing when you are making up a strawman to argue against. Go look up Obama’s education and career before being president.
This list is missing 45/47. If you add his qualifications to the list, then I guess reality show host, felon, rapist, etc are also presidential qualifications, but congressperson is still not one? I think it’s safe to say all norms are out the window now and past performance is not anything to bet on going forward.
This list is missing 45/47.
Who?
The guy currently stinking up the place.
Hochul is towing the line well enough for now, and there’s a progressive state politician who’s potential run has kept her in check. I’d much rather see AOC primary Schumer.
If the goal is to have some good democratic legislators, then probably AOC taking out Schumer would be good. If the goal is to have AOC elected president, she could use some experience as a governor.
Biden was VP
Good point.
Adorable that these people don’t think that this election won’t see even more voting fraud than the last one.
I mean, if the last one was stolen, why wouldn’t the next one be, as well? He’s going to have three more years to build systems that ensure a permanent Republican ascendency.
Cool theory. Not helpful.
We have to assume there’ll be an election until there isn’t.
Cool theory.
Not a theory. (2) (3) There are now lawsuits in motion due to this.
I don’t mean voter fraud is the theory. Yes, obviously it definitely happened and will happen again. I mean the commonly-repeated theory that there “won’t be an election” next year. That is a great way to just capitulate the election in advance.
Honestly I might have replied to the wrong comment. I’m sorry.
I mean the commonly-repeated theory that there “won’t be an election” next year.
Oh, there WILL BE “elections”. They need the circus spectacle to justify their existence.
But with Trump’s cronies in control of ballot machines, where votes can be deleted or altered after the fact, future elections are likely to be entirely performative; a thin veneer of legitimacy papering over a massive edifice of fraud and rot.
Trump could legitimately get zero votes and the voting system will still show him with a landslide victory. That’s their objective, after all. It’s torn straight from the Chinese and North Korea and Nazi Germany playbooks.
Just stop with this. It’s a form of obeying in advance: buying into the despair of nothing being possible, and everything being broken.
Their plan is to make it seem like there’s no point in fighting so nobody does, but if we give up the fight three years out we’re just conceding that ground to them.
Yes, they’re going to cheat. So we have to make it impossible for them to manipulate. Yes, they might try to make it look like a landslide anyway. So we have to be ready to take every single possible thing all the way through the courts.
Yes, the Supreme Court is a captured entity as well. So we have to overwhelm and clog up the apparatus they’re using to make it do horrible things and force everyone from the poll worker all the way up to the SCOTUS justice to publicly go on record and say “voter fraud is ok.” Then, when fascism falls (and it always does, don’t kid yourself) we know who to throw in jail first.
Don’t give up in advance. They want you to love Big Orange Brother or fear Big Orange Brother with every fiber of your being; either way, you’ll never stand up to him.
We assume there’s an election until there isn’t. We assume it’s fair (or fair-ish) until we have proof it isn’t. Anything less is saying “eh, you can have this one.”
Aoc 2028 baby
