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Source: Reddit post— Private front-end.
Samsung Statement to Android Authority:
Samsung is committed to innovation and enhancing every day value for our home appliance customers. As part of our ongoing efforts to strengthen that value, we are conducting a pilot program to offer promotions and curated advertisements on certain Samsung Family Hub refrigerator models in the U.S. market.
As a part of this pilot program, Family Hub refrigerators in the U.S. will receive an over-the-network (OTN) software update with Terms of Service (T&C) and Privacy Notice (PN). Advertising will appear on certain Family Hub refrigerator Cover Screens. The Cover Screen appears when a Family Hub screen is idle. Ad design format may change depending on Family Hub personalization options for the Cover Screen, and advertising will not appear when Cover Screen displays Art Mode or picture albums.
Advertisements can be dismissed on the Cover Screens where ads are shown, meaning that specific ads will not appear again during the campaign period.
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Tfw u set up Pihole so ur fridge stops spamming you with ads.
I wonder how much longer that will work. DNS over HTTPS is now a thing and totally defeats the mechanism of a pihole.
VPN running on a WRT router? I know very little about this stuff I just know the buzzwords for street cred.
Pihole’s act as a DNS or “Dynamic Name Server”. All internet traffic is IP based once it leaves your home because routers dont know how to forward traffic for “https://samsung-ad-hell.com/”, so there is a dedicated kind of packet for “Where is https://samsung-ad-hell.com/ located?” and that is a DNS Lookup. The Pihole pretends to know because it maintains a list of bad urls that host websites that only support privacy exploitation and advertisements and tells them “oh you want to go to 0.0.0.0, that’s where you’ll find your stuff” as it snickers.
But DNS Lookups were always plain text. When your laptop says “Where is https://big-booties.com/” your ISP knows you want porn. Now there is a new variant called “Secure DNS Lookup” which encrypts the url you’re asking about. The ISP knows you’re asking for a domain’s IP, but it can’t know which one and it no longer cares. Neat.
The trouble is that the Pi-Hole can no longer protect us from all the stupid fucking smart devices that want to earn a fraction of a penny per device by spying on us because THEY use the new Secure DNS Lookup.
It’s not a huge issue, you need a DoH resolver now (e.g. your browser which has a secure connection to a secure DNS server) which cannot block <script> from requesting the ad, but can definitely block <script> from displaying it once the domain resolves.
Extra overhead though, agreed
Wow really? I was under the impression that the SSL part would prevent the pihole from being able to spoof itself as a legitimate DNS
prevent the pihole from being able to spoof itself as a legitimate DNS
Not to be pedantic, but a pihole is legitimate DNS. Being able to do your own DNS has always been a fundamental part of the Internet Protocol, and is used a lot in enterprise to handle name resolution for internal subnets and stuff like that.
Being pedantic is totally OK here - we’re talking about SSL’s spoof protection. I’ll have to look up how any rando can host a DNS that supports DNS/HTTPS when a system would be expecting a valid SSL cert that declares who it was issued to and by whom and the requester is expecting a particular whom.
SSL operates after name resolution. It’s one way that information about your browsing habits is not protected by application-layer encryption; the domains you’re visiting are available to your DNS server.
That works for the web, because you control the browser & can know the domain before it gets resolved (& encrypted by DOH/DOT), but for a fridge you’re SOL
it can block scripts requesting the ad, because scripts cannot send arbitrary network traffic, they ask the browser to do something with a domain, which may in turn use doh for finding the IP.
Interesting… Well, this prompted me to search what Pi-Hole has done for this, and they seem to have a way to continue blocking even DoH, using “cloudfared”, which is another daemon that needs to run with Pi-Hole… They can’t possibly think their enshittification will continue to work.
It works on 99% of consumers. As long as preventing the enshittification from stealing your data requires effort and knowledge, this will continue to be the case. Hence the arms race between enshittifiers and human beings, two grouos that are mutually exclusive.
Me yelling “enhance” at my router so it blocks ads better
I can tell you didn’t read the manual because it obviously states that you have to be staring over the top of sunglasses for that configuration option to work.
Maybe block the DoH endpoint and in theory the device might fall back to normal DNS, dunno if that would work.
and also block outgoing connections to port 53 when it’s not the pihole device’s allowed IP
I’m speculating, but it wouldn’t change a thing. You would still need to request domain addresses from a server somewhere, but traffic between your device and server would be encrypted in transit. The DNS server would also be verifiable to prevent imitators.
So, the request would go to the PiHole and if it was not being filtered the PiHole would make the request of whatever upstream server is configured same as before.
the difference is that it’s very hard to block doh connections because it looks like web/API traffic. and if you don’t block it, it will work around your pihole without you noticing. pihole only works if your devices actually use it without evading it, or if you can firce them to do so. doh is not used for connecting to pihole, it does not even support it.
Or just block internet access completely.
How can I watch Roblox let’s plays in my kitchen then hmmmm
through HDMI
What’s that, some sort of labubu or something?
a mediabox. maybe a small PC or a big one. but if you know what is a VLAN, how routing works, and how your router works, you can make it safe to connect it to an internal network with only a jellyfin
This would already be illegal if we didn’t live in corporate dictatorships.
Best I can offer in the US is a spiraling rapid descent into fascism.
“All of the alternatives are corporate dictatorship”
Guess I’ll die
“Innovation” used to mean better prices and/or better products. Adding adverts to a product you already own isn’t innovation.
It is innovation.
Just for the company, not for you.
Why the fuck would you buy a smart fridge.
When the idea of them first came in to play the thought were items put in would have rfid tags or another identifier and your fridge could help you keep inventory and track when things might be going bad, suggest recipes and whatnot.
We shoulda known it’d be ads tho
Even so, most expiration dates are a scam. Why would smart expiration dates be any better
More like asking yourself “do I have milk” in the supermarket and being able to check that in a phone app.
They planned on having it automatically order more milk for you, but I guess Amazon wasn’t offering enough kickback for that. So we get ads instead.
I’m calling it here that other companies will start advertising dumb fridges on these smart fridges.
It should display what is inside the fridge, without the energy loss of a window.
It should have a bar code scanner and a complete food inventory system.
It should be the “kitchen’s tablet” able to show recipes, watch cooking instruction videos, have a high quality curated knowledge compedium in a convenient and easy to access way.
It should be able to stream outside cameras and answer door bells.
It should be able to take video calls from Mom on XMPP.
It should have high precision control and diagnostic systems.
It should run ENTIRELY on open source software, not damn blob drivers, the display panel should connect internally with an HDMI cable.
Run Proxmox and all my menagerie of LXC containers, don’t cheap out LG!! I want 64 GB RAM and 2tb ssd and a slot to add an HDD.
It should auto-doomscroll for me while I peel potatoes.
It should be able to run a smart voice assistance running Mistral 8x70B medium, locally and OFFLINE but networked and answer my agentic commands with a posh british accent.ok, good enough, send it
I would buy and work and invest for whatever company you create.
Imagine if didn’t make things that sucked.
Where I live we had little cheapass gas station cake company called Vachon
Say what you will, they were a staple and “our beloved trash cakes”
Some company came in, bought it, and made them suck hard.
Replaced animal fat and sugar with seed oil and HFCS.
Nearly all the better cakes are getting cancelled and the company is probably on the verge of bankruptcy.
I haven’t bought those shitty cakes in years.Imagine if we had a trend of doing not-that.
You got a bit trigger happy for the last few points, but seriously, why isn’t the first 3 standards now. It can’t be that expensive to put that in a fridge, and with an open platform manufacturer could even get away by providing the barest software offering and let us do the job for them.
How else are you going to look at Facebook while you drink milk out of the carton if you forgot your phone in the living room?
The easiest thing in the world is not to connect your fridge to the internet.
Also don’t buy Samsung refrigerators they are truly truly horrific.
I’m an appliance repairman.
In that case the easiest thing is not to buy a Samsung or any other “smart” fridge
If you have gone out of your way and intentionally purchased a fridge with an internet connection and a screen frankly you deserve this. What did you expect? Screens have advertisements on them, why else would they put a screen on there.
There was a time when WiFi was actually useful in smart appliances, I have an LG washer/dryer about 7-8 years old, no touchscreens, but by WiFi you can get cycle done alerts, time checks, even remote start it. My matching fridge gives me energy conservation information, and allows me to choose a lower duty winter cycle
I like these features. IDK why the fuck I would want a fridge with a touchscreen. All the smart appliances I’ve seen in the last 5 years are just there to serve you ads and steal your data.
Yeah. We have a smart washer. It’s out in our detached garage/shop so even if the chime were on, no one in the house would ever hear it.
The only “smart” feature we use on it at all is remote notifications.
And we don’t use the GE app for that either. I have it linked through our Home Assistant, so no one in the family needs their crap on our phones. Yes, HA must link into their servers, but the only real data GE gets is how much we use it, and the “city” where our internet connection says we’re in… which is 300 miles away from our actual home, in a completely different state.
It was bad enough getting ads at the gas pump
Fast charging stations tend to have the brightest, most gigantic ad video screens. So big that you’re subjected to them merely passing by and not even using the charger. I suspect they’re brighter than the sun because they get cheap subsidized energy to run the ad screens since it’s “for charging green cars” and they’re using a loophole.
I was talking about the L2 at my house but ok. The largest L3 charging network doesn’t even have screens, though it’s figurehead is a Nazi.
And for the ones that do, you can just go sit in your car. No need to stand there staring at the stupid thing for half an hour.
Given how many times Samsung’s been caught spying on customer mics, and throwing ads into everything with an internet connection, I don’t understand why anyone is still putting wifi credentials into a Samsung device.
I don’t understand why people even buy their products. Shouldn’t trust them farther than you can throw your fridge.
Agreed. They’re not even good products without the spying. Bad on top of bad.
Last time I had a Samsung product was their S7 phone, and even then it was so full of bloatware I just couldn’t take it anymore.
I see a bright future for “low tech” tech companies soon.
"Here’s our new fridge.
- What does it does?
- It cools your food.
- And?
- That’s it."
The low-tech appliances in my cheap apartment work pretty great. Just modern enough not to waste a ton of water, but still have knobs and rattle the floors.
As it should be
Similar to the only white packaging and black text marketing from the xkcd https://xkcd.com/993/
Wonderful! I’ll take two.
👏 You 👏 Don’t 👏 Need 👏 A 👏 TV 👏 On 👏 Your 👏 Fridge 👏
In the 1980s, home computers were sold like this:
“Look at these awesome games, kids! And as for your parents, uh… well, you could use the computers to… uh… I dunno… keep track of the contents of the fridge? Yeah, let’s go with that.”
Nobody ever did that. Not then, not now.
Don’t buy a smart fridge, it’s a scam
The computer manufactuers knew what they were doing. Although, 8-bit computers were cool typewriter replacements/spreadsheer machines if an adult wanted to use them.
and if you do: just get it separately
I think that people who would buy a fridge like that deserve to watch ads.
They probably enjoy it too, sick fucks
My parents bought a fancy Samsung fridge with a screen 5 years ago. We bought LG. In the first year they had theirs serviced 6 times before replacing it with the same LG fridge we have. Earlier this year right before the extended warranty ran out the compressor on my fridge died. They’ve not had a single problem with theirs yet.
My brother bought a Samsung TV that was supposed to be better than my LG OLED. In the first year the anti glare coating wore off enough that there are bright spots you can’t not see. My LG TV is fine.
Typed on my Samsung phone.
Remarkable that there were no typos in that post, despite being typed on a Smasnug phone
🤣🤣🤣
I couldn’t even list all the horror stories I’ve heard firsthand about Samsung appliances, including massive damage to people’s houses caused by leaks.
When my parents were shopping for a washing machine a couple of years ago, they asked their friend who works at Home Depot what seemed to be reliable and he basically said “anything but Samsung”. They had way more Samsung returns than anything else.
Samsung appliances have had a bad reputation for more than a decade now. I don’t know how they can still sell appliances - how is it not everyone knows yet? How is it they still haven’t fixed the quality problems?
my lab has 14 Samsung fridges, now 5 years old and no problems. But, they just are fridges, no ice or water or other bullshit people seem to love.
when you buy an over-engineered appliance, if i feel like spending extra $$$ for a fridge, i’d rather go for quality steel panels and compressor, not an screen with wifi
Make me a nuclear blastproof fridge. Wtf do I need a screen for? What does the wifi do for me? Does it tell me if I am out of eggs? I fucking thought not.
Pretty sure it can, but idk how good it is.
How does it know though? If I just put a carton of eggs in there probably not. If the special egg holder is empty maybe. But I could still have eggs while the holder is empty and the fridge would be none the wiser.
But I don’t actually know how it knows the number of eggs so I might be wrong.
It knows because there are cameras inside the fridge and it can recognize the items you put inside and remove, and has logic built around all of these observations.
It’s not perfect but I’m surprised how often it’s accurate, especially in a household that doesn’t give any shits whatsoever about refrigerator organization.
Oh I see. That’s nice. I still don’t need the function though. Give me more space or a better buuld for the premium this feature costs.
I could also live without it, myself. There are some very nice conveniences associated with the overall ‘family hub’ suite of functionality, but it’s all bells and whistles and not truly necessary of course. But the partner and our spawn appreciate it and they’re happy, and that’s good enough for me
It knows because there are cameras inside the fridge and it can recognize the items you put inside and remove, and has logic built around all of these observations.
society is getting dumber.
I mean, I probably can’t disagree with your sentiment in a general sense, I’m just not sure how this refrigerator nonsense is contributing?
It’s a fucking box that makes things cold. Humanity is cooked if we can’t bring ourselves to look away from a screen for all the time it takes to get a slice of cheese out of the fridge
“we’ve discovered we can fill 80% of the customers field of view with ads before inducing seizures”
I need my fridge to maintain a cold temperature on the inside. That’s it. That’s 100% of what I need from a fridge. The last one I bought was $300 and there’s no place to put an ad. I have no idea why y’all were hooking your appliances up to the internet in the first place, but I’m sorry you’re having a bad time.
You could add a printed ad with adhesive tape to the front door of your fridge to have a similar experience like all those “smart” things…
In the past, the typical example for a “smart device” was a refrigerator, that would automatically buy milk online once it’s empty, but I’m not sure if that really works (or makes any sense). But at least you can now see ads together with weather and news on your refrigerator door.
