• CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    15 days ago

    As someone who has a garden and has successfully grown garlic from cut ends of store bulbs…

    It’s not worth the labor.

    I garden, yes, but the economy of scales of buying at the grocery store is much lower than growing your own vegetables. You garden because you want to enjoy vegetables that are either heirloom or you want the freshness.

    Between the labor, watering, fertilizing, maintaining, etc. it’s simply cheaper to buy at the store.

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      Just don’t plant cheap stuff.

      I will probably never grow onions, potatoes, corn, celery and other vegetables that are always cheap.

      I will plant things that are easy and or pricey. Tomatoes for sure, if I bought the tomatoes at the store I would probably have spent $500 just on tomatoes a season. Chives are also easy to manage and expensive in store. Aspargus is stupid expensive and is almost hard to get rid of once established. Some berry type fruits are also worth growing if you have spare land for them since they come back each year.

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          14 days ago

          I have a similar philosophy with basil. It’s cheap enough in our stores, but it’s way more convenient to always know its outside.

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            i have so much goddamn basil, lemon balm, rosemary, lavender and laurel because of this philosophy. every few weeks i pick some and fill a jar for each room of the house. it smells fantastic in here.

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        Yeah that’s my attitude as well. I grow the things that are significantly better straight out of the garden. The best tomatoes are too fragile to go through the sorting machinery, so growing your own enables much higher quality produce. Berries are way better picked ripe. Green beans are also super easy to grow and are better fresh.

        Then there’s varieties that just aren’t popular enough for many stores to stock and specialty stores are far and expensive: patty pan squash, molokhia, ground cherries, shallots, celery leaves (I don’t like the stalk), a variety of herbs, peppers that aren’t bell or jalapeno, etc.

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          I’m going to grow canning pickles next year because find those specific types in the store is a nightmare, and that’s even with someone who works there and can special order them, it’s just easier and cheaper to grow my own!

          I’d never grow garlic. Store has huge cheap bins of it.

          San marzano tomatoes though? Growing. Strawberries? Absolutely growing, the store ones are okay but fresh is amazing.

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        I have a similar view. Plant things that are fun. It is a hobby and it needs to be that. Why bother planting potatoes when they take up a good amount of space and they’re cheap?

        I plant chives as well, rocket because I love it, weird varieties of chillies, and I’m thinking of adding also other herbs that I can’t get easily or that are a faff to get. Coriander is a good example, as I have to get a bag whenever I have to use a tiny bit and the rest goes to waste.

        Hobby farming is fun and a great way to get you (and the family) to eat more veggies. Subsistence farming is just painful.

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        Tomatoes have been bad for us for the last couple of years. Last year, we got a good yield of cherry tomatoes but large tomatoes only started to ripen before the cold killed them. This year, we only planted cherry tomatoes and are just now getting the first few. My coworkers have confirmed that their tomatoes are also super late this year.

        You are right about chives, asparagus, and berry bushes. Once those get established, you will have to work to keep them under control.

    • slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
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      13 days ago

      That’s why tiktok and youtube shorts are just braindead. I read this other thing where “kids” bought all the cucumbers in stores because there is this crazy new thing called cucumber salad. A week or so later a friend visits me and for some reason it came up and she was like: yeah, i had to try this cucumber thing, because it was everywhere on tiktok, and it turns out it’s:s just a salad.

      This woman is 36 years old.

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        I worked at a grocery store during lockdown and Celtic Sea salt trended on tick tock. We couldn’t keep that shit on the shelf. One or two dudes would clean us out as soon as we restocked and flip it online for a huge markup.

        It’s just fucking salt. You’d have to eat a pound of it to get any sort of benefit from the trace minerals.

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      I let it grow when it happens accidentally.

      It happens often because I take my vegetable trimmings and peels to the garden and use it as mulch. I try to remove the seeds and stuff that can grow (like potato peels), but there’s often root of garlic that end up mixed with the peel. Which is no big deal. Often, they only start growing in the spring or summer, so I only harvest immature forms. Which is fine. It’s not like I was invested in that garlic.

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      Been growing plants inside and out for over 30-years, never had success with garlic. I feel so dumb because it seems the easiest thing in the world to grow. Going to plant this October and see what happens.

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        My experience with using grocery store bought garlic is mixed. When it did work, it grew a lot of leaves but not the bulb. When I researched this, it’s because garlic requires specific soil conditions to grow its bulbs.

        But bulb aside, garlic is a good natural critter repellent. It’s good to grow around lettuce and kale. Though I haven’t found a good cover plant to keep white butterflies away. Right now I’m using netting which they can sometimes find a way into.

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      It’s not worth the labor.

      I wholeheartedly agree.
      It’s not worth the labor if you don’t know what you are doing. Gardening is like printing free money, and it is an enjoyable hobby that provides some stress relieving exercise, IF you know what you are doing.
      Using cheap-ass store bought garlic is a big mistake.
      I don’t plow, till and hardly weed yet have a fantastic garden that provides way more high quality produce than we can use. My fresh tasty heirloom produce is not sprayed with any toxic chemicals. I get free rotten hay bales from farmers for mulch and fertilizer from our chickens. I save seeds from varieties that do well in our area.

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      My parents grow their own vegetables and they even have some beehives and make and sell their own honey.

      I once calculated their hourly wages for beekeeping, and I only counted the time they spent harvesting and processing the honey, nothing else. Not even the cost of materials, bees, food, medicine, nothing. Not the time spent doing anything but harvesting.

      It came out to ~€5/h.

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      Warning: may lead to overpopulation, hierarchy, authoritarian forms of government, malnutrition, slavery, and war. Use at your own risk.

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          Not really. An exception are hunter-gatherers benefitting from the rich marine resources and salmon of Pacific North America, but for most hunter-gatherers:

          overpopulation: well, populations tend to hit the carrying capacity, whatever it may be, but I think here it refers to living conditions like with poop being in the street and stuff like that

          hierarchy: hardly any to speak of, it’s mostly family-based, with special respect for great hunters or people who solve conflicts

          authoritarian forms of government: no

          malnutrition: of course hunger and famine exists for hunter-gatherers as well, but they generally had much better nutrition than early agriculturalists

          slavery: no, they don’t have the social organization to manage this

          war: meeting strangers was always a dangerous event, and war can exist in specific times and places, more often being small-scale ritualized warfare in places of high productivity, but food production really brought that to another level

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        By this logic, why not buy 200,000 tomato plants with the million dollars?

        $50 in a few decades will be worth very little compared to now because of inflation. Take the lump sum and invest more on the early side. That’s how smart people successfully implement compounding.

        Edit:
        Also, that $6,250 times 52 weeks in a year is not $46M; it’s $325k. Not to mention that the $6,250 takes a year from initial investment, so it takes 2 years to hit that $325k. And that’s revenue, not profit. And it assumes dependable harvest. It’s a joke shit post that I’m taking way too seriously, right?

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          100%

          Also, you’d need to live for over 380 years for those $50 weekly payouts to add up to a million dollars.

          This was spectacularly bad advice in every aspect.

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          By this logic, why not buy 200,000 tomato plants with the million dollars?

          Because that’s a lot of planting. Gonna throw my back out at that rate.

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          Glad I’m not the only one, because that’s exactly where I’m at. The premises almost relies on consistent yield and unconstrained growth, which nature very much does not like. Plus it doesn’t consider the opportunity cost of having to sink your time into becoming a literal farmer (nor any other recurring costs to maintain and harvest your plants).

          In this case, the upfront cash is hands down the way to go. You don’t even have to do any complicated investing, just huck the mill in a jumbo CD and take the monthly payout. Going off my local credit unions (about 3.75% in dividends for a 5 year term), at $37,500 per year it probably wouldn’t be enough to quit your job, but you’d be doing an order of magnitude better than $50 per week. If you’re really looking to grow it, you could just dump the lump sum in the S&P 500 (up 95.3% from 5 years ago). (Assuming no taxes and that the dollar still has any value in the next 5 years).

      • Tall_Chilchuck@lemmy.world
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        With this SIMPLE LIFEHACK and TWENTY SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS anyone can be a MULTI MILLIONAIRE in just ONE YEAR!!!

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          And in 10 years you’ll have more wealth than all previous humans combined! Payday advance places hate this one trick.

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    This is how I see all of the “I’m going to move to the country and grow my own food” crowd.

    They’re essentially glorifying subsistence farming, a lifestyle that humans have collectively been trying to escape since we invented agriculture.

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      the “I’m going to move to the country and grow my own food” crowd

      If this statement appeals to you (it does to me) it might mean you need to find more hobbies that keep you outdoors. (I have and it’s great!)

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    My parent’s garden has literally thousands of garlic plants that show up unplanned every year. When clearing part of the garden to plant something else, pulling up like 30 garlic stalks is normal. Come harvest time, they give away as much garlic as they can and they still have so much that they have to throw a bunch of it out because it all goes bad before they can use it.