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The only winning move is not to play.
That’s false, the creator of this comic is just trying to spread hate
It’s funny being a socialist who doesn’t believe in god. I actually support the things Jesus taught becoming law, and Christians argue the most against it.
That’s because Jesus’s teachings are tenets of common decency.
Matthew 5 and 6 are almost entirely a good guide on how to live, and the literal exact opposite of how conservatives live. Starting from 5:21-22, Jesus says murder bad (obviously), but so is getting angry at fellow disciples. So much as calling someone a “fool” puts you at risk of the fires of Hell. 5:27-30 says adultery bad (obviously) but so is simply being lustful. Jesus says if you can’t control your eyes, gouge em out. If you can’t control your hands, cut em off. Jesus says divorce is equivalent to adultery. 33-37 say not to swear oaths, which I don’t reay care about but I think it’s funny that every christian politician swears on a bible, which Jesus literally says not to do. 38-42 is interesting; Jesus says that not only is “an eye for an eye” wrong, but that if someone wrongs you, you shouldn’t retaliate at all. If someone asks for your shirt, you give them your coat as well. I like 5:42 the best:
Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
Matthew 5:43-48 says in absolutely no uncertain terms to love your enemies.
My experience as an atheist has been me holding a shield with them having a sword. I don’t really have any interest in talking about God with anyone.
Right? I’ve gotten “Aren’t you worried about going to Hell?”
Just… no.
As much as I’m worried about getting lost in Narnia.
My experience has been the exact opposite!
I suspect it’s a cultural thing, though. I’m British, but I know America has a very aggressive evangelical base. There are mega-churches and politicians and sports people are always talking about God and Jesus and we just don’t have that over here.
On the other hand, a few atheists I know have tried to “convert” me before.
I’m guessing it’s a certainty thing. From what I’ve seen of the American churches, some of them are absolutely borderline cults. So of course the folk are certain that they’re right.
And there’s certainly enough ammunition in religion as a whole for anyone who hates religion to think that they’re right.
What did the atheists try to “convert” you to?
Hmm. I’m going to go ahead and assume this is a bad-faith comment. Despite that, I’ll try to help.
I’m guessing from the phrasing that you’re not aware, but if you’re trying to change someone’s belief system, it’s called conversion.
I appreciate that you were probably trying to do the “atheism isn’t a belief, it’s a lack of a belief” thing, but unfortunately that’s how the language works in this case.
Nice deflection, bro. But my point was exactly that. You cannot “convert” someone to atheism. That would imply atheism is a belief, rather than the lack thereof. So my question stands.
It’s obvious that they meant convince them to stop believing in any faith. You are trying to twist words when nobody is even slightly confused.
Sorry, but it’s true. I’m afraid you’re going to have to take it up with a higher authority than me (i.e. the dictionary people) if you want to change how the word is used.
It’s the word for changing someone’s belief system not, as you seem to think, giving someone a new belief system.
Sorry, but I’m correct here.
Also, here’s additional lesson for you - you started your reply admitting that the question was asked in bad faith, that I did spot what you were talking about, and that you do know that I’m talking about atheism. Then you finish with “so my question stands”.
No it doesn’t. You understood fully what I was talking about in both the post you replied to and my response. So it doesn’t stand - you already knew the answer.
Look, I don’t mind you having a crack at being Mr I’m-Very-Clever-Catch-You-Out-On-Word-Meanings, but at least do it well.
That is a) not how the language works and b) an atheist would never try to convince anyone about anything religious. Aka: convert. Because that would mean for him Atheism is a religion, which it is not. I am an Atheist. My inner self is convinced: there are not gods. And that is it. I do not try to make you go away from your god. And I myself: have no god. There is no church or cult of Atheism. there is no organization (perhaps in weird countries there are, who knows?), there is no path to follow, there is no morning or evening or any other ritual, there are no prayers, there is most certainly no evangelism towards Atheism.
I do live in the Bible belt.
ITT: The most obnoxious type of fedora-wearing atheism. Makes me feel nostalgic for early reddit…
Oh did I say nostalgic? I meant nauseous.
I find the fedora bois on here
I had the misfortune of needing to attend a “Christian” university for a short while due to visa reasons in the US, the vomit inducing cult speak they do at every opprtunity at a institute that’s about education and science was appalling, imagine the kids who have to grow up in such an environment, no wonder the country is so fucked up right now
I once had a study partner who was raised like that. We were scheduling our first after school study session and trying to figure out time. I shoot out sunday and he goes “nah I have church, wait don’t you have church?” “nah, I’m an atheist”
dude vanished. Three days later I notice him trying to like… hide in a hoodie towards the opposite side of the class. I walk over, worried I offended him or something. He basically tells me that he can’t interact with satanists and I just go “look, if you don’t wanna interact with me, don’t. You don’t have to hide in a corner or try to avoid me. If you wanna draw the line at just existing in the same room, ok then.”
To his credit, he did try to have a study session with me after that, but I had to end it early. The dude was so on edge, it was like he was convinced I was gonna stab him at any moment.
Years later he contacted me to apologize out of the blue on facebook. Went completely off grid traveling the world. My guess trying to compensate for just how little he knew of it.
Well at least he kept to himself, I met a guy in university who asked for my number to invite me to a soccer game and then kept texting me to join his prayer group until I blocked his number
Religious leaders there openly brag about having gold shoes and private jets…
I absolutely don’t go asking around if you believe. And i can’t legally carry swords. Or battle axes. Or even knives in general.
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Personally, I’m an atheist (anti-theist to be more precise), but I’ll say that in my experience catholic christians tend to be less culty than protestant christians. Probably has something to do with the part that catholics believe that they actually have to be good vs protestants believing that simply believing is all you need.
Idk, Catholic services and practices are waaaay cultier than protestant ones. I mean, they all have pictures in their homes of the same white guy wearing a giant ceremonial hat and robe who lives in his own special nation. As a firm agnostic, I don’t have a horse in this race, but my experience differs greatly from yours. They’re all mild hobbyists compared to evangelicals anyway.
Then you get Anglicans and Lutherans which are Protestants but have Catholic practices
catholics believe that they actually have to be good vs protestants believing that simply believing is all you need
Wtf ?
A doctrine of Catholicism is that you need good works as well as faith in order to get into Heaven. When Martin Luther broke away and started the Protestant movement, one of the big changes he made was to drop the “good works” part so that faith alone is sufficient to get into Heaven. (As I understand it, the argument behind this is that Jesus saves us from all of our sins already so therefore it does not matter how good or bad we are during our lives as long as we have faith.)
yes, seriously. this is a massive oversimplification, of course, but this is one of the major important differences between catholicism and protestantism.
Well
No.
And there is no “big protestantism”
Similarly, I’m an antitheist pagan. it’s fun.
I grew up Christian in a place where most people were atheist, went to a Christian school, where about half the students were Christian and the other was atheist, then moved to different places all over. My experience through all of that was always: Regular people in either group mostly don’t give a shit and just want to live their own lives. The “Christians” you see on TV are not normal people.
I grew up agnostic/atheist in the Bible Belt. There was a lot of casual discrimination, ostracism, and judgement if you weren’t Christian. Even among different churches. I’d have loved for there have been more Christians like you, but unfortunately the TV/Fox News Christians are all over the place down there.
Yea. Those types don’t just exist on TV, they are everyday people in our communities for some of us. To just say they aren’t “normal” erases the lived experiences of those who live where these mentalities are still very much the norm for that locality.
How does saying that such hostile treatment is abnormal “erase” anyone’s lived experiences?
If you tell someone who lived only eating one meal a day during elementary school that they did not have a normal childhood, you are directly commenting ON their “lived experience”, not erasing it.
You seem to be conflating “that’s not normal” with “that never happens”, which is not reasonable.
The weird shit on tv is incredibly common in the south
I still think it’s proportionally right to say “that’s not normal”. Maybe it’s normal in the Southern United States, but it’s definitely not normal compared with the rest of Christendom.
30-40% in the US believe in young earth creationism
Not the fringest of beliefs. I find the whole ken ham “science is wrong” thing bizarre. But I think the “it was created old” view holds more water
I’ve never been to the US, but from what I’ve heard, I don’t doubt for a second that the climate is a bit more aggressive over there.
I am a Christian and figured that out as well. I just see it as an American problem. But it’s concerning seeing churches perform Bethel/Hillsong/Elevation music not realising how sketchy those places are. I worry it’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing, that people will maybe see some Hillsong or bethel teaching and think “they must be reputable, as we sing their music in Church!”
One of my best friends is christian and I didn’t even know for years because it wasn’t relevant and they are a reasonable person.
Like 40% of the US are. It may not be their primary focus or how they actually live their lives but their views align and they will absolutely sell your children out to the Nazis or see you murdered if it aligns with what tv tells them.
Why do you care if they are the kind of folks who would start the lynching if they are the folks who would hang out and drink lemonade while you choke your life away?
Christians are indoctrinated from childhood to obey any authority that speaks the way their pastor does, and to ignore the evidence of their eyes and ears to believe what they are told.
So it’s always awkward interacting with Christians, i can correct some of their shitty behavior by explaining how it would hurt them, but the conversation that their core beleifs are a control mechanism abused by conmen is impossible to broach.
It makes me sad because religion is so important to so many people, but it wouldn’t be if they weren’t indoctrinated against their will as children.
Catholics, christians, atheism, veganism.
It’s all the same to me. If they don’t leave any room to speculate, learn, and grow beyond existing beliefs what’s the point of living. 🤔
If only those people who don’t already have a religious affiliation weren’t so closed-minded, they might be able to adhere to a specific religious affiliation. If only those vegans were able to grow as people, they might just learn a thing or two about being okay with animal torture
You understand christian and catholic is also the same right?
They are not
Educated yourself
lol k
Christians worship Christ, while Catholics worship … er … Cath
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What’s the point of living if you can’t find purpose and there’s no real truth
That there’s no objective purpose to life doesn’t mean you can’t find your own. Personally, I find purpose in enjoying my life and improving the lives of others. Doesn’t matter that there isn’t some grand design, I like what I’m doing.
But that might not matter in the end
It matters to me
But you’ll just be dust someday
We’re not dust yet. There is no reason why our eventual death and non-existence should preclude us finding meaning in our present existence.
Why delay the inevitable
I guess there isn’t a point given to you by someone/something else, but you’re free to pick one of your own if you want. Or not. Ultimately we just have our evolved desire to survive and see our loved ones do well.
I’d rather pick what is actually true
What’s that?
That there is one Lord- Jesus of Nazareth, commonly called the Christ, who was born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried. On the third day He rose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty. He will return in glory to judge both the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
ah I see. I misunderstood - when you said “I’d rather pick what is actually true”, you meant you’d pick a story you like and call it truth. Yes that’s also an option, why not.
I’m convinced from the historical evidence that Jesus actually rose from the dead
I have no experience with real-life atheists, but internet atheists do be like that.
As an internet and real-life atheist …yeah. Most atheists just don’t talk much about their non-belief, because there isn’t much to talk about, so in dedicated atheism communities, you mostly see those that are almost anti-theist…
Yes, you do, they just don’t tell you because why would they talk about something they either have zero interest it, or a past where they believed but then figured out it wasn’t believable anymore for them?
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