It doesn’t matter honestly, you’ll likely not get any jobs, since no one wants to train rookies. You allegedly have a chance by either paying the job interviewer a large sum of money, or work your ass off at some really crappy and competitive minimum wage and part-time job to “break you in”. Or get good connections, see the nazi sadboys of DOGE.
Do something you love as a job, and you’ll have one less thing that you love.
I love cooking, but even seeing restaurant kitchens from the outside made me not want to pursue it as a full-time job, not to mention I likely would have to “colonize” my cooking (make it French/English compilant), which would make it even less fun. It was really fun to “decolonize” pörkölt (goulash stew) and update it to a world where I less likely have to “zero waste cook” (add parsley and celery leaves for a wastly enhanced flavor). It is not fun when I have to cook yet another round of the bland version of it, especially when it comes to me also eating from it.
Problem is students treat traditional 4 year colleges like job training, which they aren’t, and employers require degrees when they’re not needed.
I think most students treat traditional four year colleges like a drinking club.
What’s a four year college. In Europe I believe most bachelors are generally 3 years and a masters is 2 so it’s clearly not the total either. Obviously there’s some fields that are different but I would assume that it isn’t those you are talking about. Is this an American thing?
Yeah, in the US a standard college education is four years. Although in the last few decades it’s become a lot more common for that four-year program to take five years or more.
My field has a shortage but it’s also hell on earth to train into. Okay money if you can pass the boards after years of suffering through the training.
What field?
Behavior therapy
Starting NFL Fullback
Carpenter
honestly, what field is hiring at this point?
even my friend who went into IT, 50% for passion and 50% for the promise of good money, has been trying to find employment for months and just cannot, and he’s still a student (last year with a good portfolio) so whoever were to hire him would get tax breaks from the government
i vividly remember being a soon to be young adult deciding my future being told “go study IT! you won’t have trouble finding a job then, there’s always a need for more IT people”. i studied filmmaking, my friend is studying IT, and he’s struggling to find a job just as much as i am
My organization just listed 2 electrical engineer positions as night shift, pay below national average and we are in a high cost of living area. I’m convinced they don’t actually want applicants. It is a great job but the listing looks like shit.
There isn’t.
Most of the job listings are just fake.
The rest are nepotism hires, or a ‘who can grovel and impress a narcissist the most’ contests.
Its time to invent or participate in an alternate or parellel economy, the ‘real’ one does not work.
Since your friend is still a student, they should try to see if they can get in with your school’s IT department.
I started my it career working for my school’s IT department first answering phones, then doing desk side work. That job is actually what got me my first real job in the industry. Since then I’ve jobbed hob multiple times and have effectively quadrupled my original salary (6 figures), all in under a decade.
It seem technical skill hire good. Plumber electrical hand craft job.
It seem too many work too late retire late no room for new person.
Trade jobs pay well but they are starting to have people flood them in some areas and it’s only getting worse.
And if your middle aged or have a physical mobility issue. Yer fucked.
These days, you might be better served going to a trade school and learning a trade like plumbing, electrician, carpenter, etc… Millenials were pushed hard into college and there aren’t enough people in the trades now. They get paid well and are relatively easy to run your own business if that interests you.
you might be better served going to a trade school and learning a trade like plumbing, electrician, carpenter, etc
There’s a college of the trades near me that has fucking free tuition - everything is paid for by its (very substantial) endowment. I don’t understand why young people aren’t killing each other to get into that place. I’ve always been a staunch advocate of a liberal arts education but my parents paid my tuition for me. I just wouldn’t see the same value in it if I had to shell out $75K+ per year. Learn a well-remunerated trade and fucking read books in the evening.
White parents: you can be whatever you want to be. Go to school and explore!
Asian parents: don’t listen to Shane. Shane is going to be living with his parents until he’s 40.
I chose Anthropology … and I love being a school bus driver!
So you see school children grow up through the years, see how their behavior, biology and culture changes. You’re a book away from being an anthropologist,
I don’t know, I’m a geek, I chose IT as a major, and companies are hiring at a good wage (in my field/region), maybe I’m lucky to be a geek (finally)
Mid-range to expert IT is in good shape it’s entry level that’s hard to break into.
I have 20 years of experience, I didn’t realize it was hard for newcomers (at least in my region)
I’m almost 4 years into my IT career and it’s been ROUGH. Especially because I’m a woman in a male-dominated field. I was treated like I’m dumb in so many interviews and faced blatant sexism. My fiirst job in the field fired me because they had to cut costs because the projects they were implementing cost an arm and a leg. My current job basically told me that I will not be advancing to a higher position (after I busted my ass for 2.5 years to try to learn enough to get promoted) and will not be paid what I, and my other disillusioned coworkers, think I deserve.
2.5 years
I hate to say it, but that’s way too long to work at one company. ABC (Always Be Churning).
Yeah. I’m gonna be looking into other options cause this place blows. It was honestly a great place until I, politely and professionally, asked for more. Then it got hella toxic hella fast.
Good luck! I got out of the field entirely myself and now I drive a school bus.
Thank you! I considered leaving the field, but I have worked too damn hard to get where I’m at to just give up now. I wanna be successful in this field as a big ol “fuck you” to everyone who said I would fail/not amount to anything. I’m also good at what I do and I really like the work, despite having shitty employers.
I majored in debilitating degenerative illness. NOBODY is hiring my ass these days
Pro tip: let the market choose for you!
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And then you go to work at McDonald’s so you don’t starve to death. How lifelike, I’m about to cry.
A lot of people don’t want to do trade jobs, but that where they need people and also pay shit. Electricians, mechanics etc. The amount of stuff you have to know to be a mechanic now is rediculous, and yet they get paid shit or the dealer or manufacturer takes 90% of the earnings from the mechanics.
