• terranoid@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    65·
    2 months ago

    lol holy fuck I hope no one takes this seriously, because Vietnam was fucking hell for the soldiers. No one thought it was awesome except some conservative Nixon supporting fucks who didn’t care because they didn’t have their 16 year old get drafted.

  • UnspecificGravity@piefed.socialEnglish
    20·
    2 months ago

    I do think its funny that people think the drone war future is one in which humans aren’t getting killed instead of where where humans can’t even fight back.

    Go watch ANY footage of the war in Ukraine and think about swarms of those drones working their way down your street, because that is what it looks like.

      • QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        2 months ago

        who? everyone that joins Russias army to be cannon fodder does it willingly, there isn’t a draft (as of yet anyways)

        there’s ~30,000 Russian losses per month

          • Mirshe@lemmy.world
            6·
            2 months ago

            Drones cannot occupy a city. Drones cannot hold land. Even in the grim darkness of the 21st century, a drone is far more susceptible to outside factors eliminating its fighting capability than a human soldier standing in the same spot. At the end of the day, yes, a bulk of the fighting will be done by remote, but you’ll still need meatbags with guns to actually advance and take areas. There’s really no way to get around that unless we somehow develop autonomous robots that are able to make smart choices and strategize on the ground without human oversight, and I simply don’t see us managing any serious level of “AGI” from the current idea of machine learning, at all.

              • Mirshe@lemmy.world
                1·
                2 months ago

                Target identification, threat assessment, determining level of force necessary, simply being a human face rather than a machine. Drones are also vulnerable to electrical issues, signal issues, all sorts of things a human simply doesn’t need to worry about or are more easily remedied in a human.

                Occupying land is not simply about killing the enemy, and multiple armies have learned this over the course of human history. Rarely are you concerned with SIMPLY taking the land - even if it’s agrarian capacities or whatever you’re worried about, having the employees still alive (largely) leads to better outcomes. Having a functioning economy in the occupied zone leads to less resistance. Facilitating the continuity of life within the occupied zone does too - and that doesn’t work if your “occupation force” is a bunch of robot dogs that mow down anyone for being in the street.

          • QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            2 months ago

            war fucking sucks man. They’re still an enemy soldier who’s invading a nation trying to defend itself, I wouldn’t consider that an “innocent person”.

    • Hubi@feddit.org
      12·
      2 months ago

      The commercialization is what took out all the fun. You used to go to war over physical things like land or treasure, then it was ideology and now it’s just so the green line goes up. Lame af.

  • wdx@feddit.org
    14·
    2 months ago

    I get the feeling someone had a frustrating day at work due to Kubernetes

  • w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world
    12·
    2 months ago

    The ‘Fortunate Sons’ are the rich ones with connections who didn’t have to go to war. They got it backwards.

    • 5318008@lemmy.ml
      9·
      2 months ago

      They included the Spotify logo. It’s just <insert song here> rather than labelling the picture as “Fortunate Sons”.

  • DarkCloud@lemmy.world
    11·
    2 months ago

    Anyone who thinks America were the good guys in Vietnam is full on fucking stupid.

    America who faked an attack on themselves (Gulf of Tonkin incident) to get into a war, start loosing and so used chemical weapons and random attacks on women and children. Then continuing to lose Richard Nixon decided to extend the war crimes and deaths several years in order to run an illegal and undeclared war against Laos and Cambodia - allowing Pol Pot and the Kymer Rouge to get into power off the millitarism and anti-American sentiment the wars created.

    Eventually when the American media and students got angry enough and the war dead and massive extent of war crimes, and illegal actions of Nixon got too much, America finally decided to accept their losses and just leave. Leaving Pol Pot to commit his own extremist crimes against humanity.

    Ultimately Vietnam had to then go to war with their neighbors in order to stop Pol Pot’s war cimes and genocides. Vietnam cleaned up America’s mess.

    All because America was afraid of Socialism.

    The fucking “good guys”, spraying agent orange and napalm on children.

  • FreddiesLantern@leminal.space
    5·
    2 months ago

    Do you want “Warhammer 40000: in the grim darkness of the future there is only war”?

    Because that is how you get “Warhammer 40000: in the grim darkness of the future there is only war”.

  • acargitz@lemmy.ca
    5·
    2 months ago

    The war version of Zizek’s “my chatbot fucks your chatbot, we get sex out of the way and we can discuss philosophy”.

        • Programmer Belch@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          Yes! It was very surprising that it was so spot on. I guess there were people there knowing that the future of war was remote. The radar wasn’t even invented by that date!

          • DagwoodIII@piefed.socialEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            I just rewatched the pilot episode of Babylon 5. The space station has a daily newspaper.

            It’s always fun to read old SF and see what they got right and what they missed.

            Probably the king of misinformation is ‘The Man Who Sold The Moon.’ Gets every detail wrong, but it’s still a fun read. One of the businessman/hero’s greatest inventions is an automatic light switch you don’t have to touch to turn on lights when you enter a room. Best invention of 1954!