Relevant XKCD:
How am I still learning about XKCDs I’ve never seen especially ones in the 1000 range.
Congrats on being one of today’s lucky 10,000!
So meta
Too meta. https://xkcd.com/1447/
Is this a reference to something?
It’s the Key and Peele of geek comics
When you first learnt about xkcd, did you not S L O O O R P the entire back catalogue?
I guess when I did that there were A LOT fewer. Cuz I’m old.
I’m so old I remember anticipating the 404
if $1 is not installed after that, wipe your hard drive and start over
It could be a crate…
Script needs to be updated, Rust wasn’t particularly popular back then (if it existed. I don’t know how old this one is, but it’s pretty old)
apt-get install
sudo apt-get installsigh
I know right could just be apt install
I can stop laughing at steamcmd.
With all those connected with & won’t it skip the rest after the first failure? Or does ‘no such program’ or ‘you don’t have permission’ not produce an error?
In bash,
&just starts the program in the background, so all of the commands are run in parallel. You’re probably thinking of&&, which runs the command on its left, checks its return code, and then decides whether run the command on the right.Although, in this case there are no ‘commands on the right’ since all the commands are on separate lines. You’d need to backslash the commands together, something like
pip install "$1" && \ easy_install "$1" && \ ...I saw it as wrapped, so couldn’t dismiss the option that all were on a single logical line. But you’re right, I was thinking of &&
That would be &&.
A single & will run them in parallel.
Thanks
Yes, it should have been a
;instead.
(clears throat in Zypper install)
:p
Is this satire or is it from a real project O_O?
I bloody hope the whole post is satire but given the anti-ai groupthink on lemmy, fuck knows!
Yes, it is the people who are against the corporate AI offerings who are guilty of groupthink, not me!
To be fair, there are local agentic models.
I dont think local agentic models address the ethical and environmental concerns I have with the training - but its better than the corporate offerings :)
Hey guy/gal/genderfluid pal, the cat is out of the bag. Either we embrace it for what it can do in a much more sustainable way, or we let corpos redefine sustainable.
Is this a good use case? No. But most use cases, I’d rather have a local agent running on my own hardware being offset by solar, than using a corpo offering.
Please don’t call me man :)
The cat is “out of the bag” on consuming meat and dairy, plenty of people manage to survive and thrive without em, without much effort at all. I’d personally rather use no LLM than use a local agentic model with poor ethics/environmental impact of its training, even if the latter is better than corpo offerings.
As I alluded to, I’m much happier to see people using local agentic models. Even more so if they happen to be something like Pleias’ approach, with lots of transparency about the data they were trained on. There’s still the environmental concerns behind the resources consumed for the training, but it is about as good as one could hope for at this point if one insists on using LLMs.
As you wish, wasn’t meant as a gendered ident so apologies.
I’m actually not familiar with how much environmental damage is done by training vs using. My initial assumption was that training would be less, by many many factors, because it “happens once” while the usage is constant and scales with the number of users. But that is admittedly an assumption made out of ignorance.
And to be clear, I’m not really trying to tell you you’re wrong, just trying to make my position clear since Lemmy is very anti AI in general.
There are two big piles of groupthink here.
What a stupid comment
Eh, mine added value to the conversation. Your “what a stupid comment” comment made no such effort. So hey, swings and roundabouts!
No it didn’t
Ok bye
hey at least we actually think and don’t offload it to a machine.
Completely vibe-coded project it seems, even documentation. And yet:
Human-Origin Source License
Also love this:
You may not, without prior written permission from the Author:
- ship or maintain a modified version outside the contribution-purpose rules; - maintain a divergent private or internal fork; - port, clone, rebrand, or recreate the Covered Software; - create an API-compatible replacement, behavioral clone, competing implementation, or Derivative Implementation; or - use AI-assisted implementation mining to create, improve, test, document, or validate a Derivative Implementation.Look, I use AI too (mostly to speed things up by working on multiple items in parallel), but I’m not gonna stuff “human-origin source license” on anything I use it for, nor do I think creating API-compatible replacements, competing implementations, etc, should reasonably be possible to block with a license… Also, quite literally, he’s creating tools for reverse engineering, which in itself is generally in breach of the license of whatever software is being reverse engineered. Fuck off and use a FOSS license, whether it be permissive or copyleft…
“No! Nuh uh! You can’t prompt Claude to do what it did for me, again! I did it first and called ‘dibs’ on ever doing it again!”
As if copyright even applied to this.
Was it not ruled that API compatibility was not copyright infringement? (Oracle Vs Google.) I don’t think the last two are even enforceable.
- ship or maintain a modified version outside the contribution-purpose rules; - maintain a divergent private or internal fork; - port, clone, rebrand, or recreate the Covered Software; - create an API-compatible replacement, behavioral clone, competing implementation, or Derivative Implementation;At that point why bother making your codebase public?
They saw curl | bash and were like you know what the problem with this is? It’s deterministic
You may as well just completely replace your package manager with this one simple script.
#!/usr/bin/env python3 import sys exec(TrustedAgent.request(f"Write a Python statement to install {sys.argv[1]}, make no mistakes"))Also “Please don’t reformat my hard drive”
I mean, you could do away with package managers altogether… Just always include “use standard library components only” in every prompt.
Added bonus, your program will be very secure because it would very rarely be affected by any publicly known CVEs.
/s
Honestly… in a world where code is written by AI and not humans, most frameworks SHOULD go away. They were designed to make a task easier for humans not for a machine. AI should not write “react on node using vue”
While I’m not a fan of most AI usages, this is the thing that infuriates me the most.
I like writing scripts to automate parts of my job. I’ve had a few for things like build performance testing comparison and the like.
All of it was replaced by skill.md, that does exactly the same, but burns like 3$ per run in tokens, and has also at least once generated hallucinated results, because it ran into an error, ran wrong builds, or in general fucked up in a way that was not easy to detect (and we did in fact not detect it until much later).
But hey, at least my colleagues now don’t have to open the filthy commandline and write
py perf-test.py main feature/branchto run the test, and can just talk about it to a clanker.We can do even better: just post the readme+prompts used to design the software, and let the users AI agent recode it themselves! Perfectly secure.
This kind of does something similar :D https://codeberg.org/TheMikina/git-llmfs
aside from the obvious use of LLMs for the actuall project, everything was written by hand … everything you see is my fault.
This is fucking crazy.
Vibestrapping
it used to mean something better… 😔
Something less degenerated
If you trust the site,
curl | shis no worse than any other install method. If you don’t trust the site, it’s also no worse.yeah you can also just curl > cat and check the script yourself
Huh, nifty.
Do you mean
curl | cator do you really want to create a file called cat?Also piping to cat seems redundant but malicious hosts can detect whether the request is getting redirected, using some clever trick, so it’s not.
Also, your chance of spotting something bad in a malicious script is probably quite small.
This is my opinion on
curl | sh/bashtype directions. If the maintainers don’t provide a hash so I can confirm that is what they intended, there ain’t much I can do unless someone slapped in a function named “totallyNotMalware” into the script. I’ve looked through scripts, seen what they do, but I’m not good enough to recognize anything funky.If you just run the file you just created, it doesn’t matter that they detected a redirect. I mean it would be a bit silly to download a script, check it, and then re-download it to pipe into bash.
Downloading a two kilobyte script a second time is probably less effort than remembering to rm the script after running it, so if you don’t want to keep it, it could be better :)
Also piping to cat seems redundant but malicious hosts can detect whether the request is getting redirected, using some clever trick, so it’s not.
Just so you know, servers cannot detect piping to any arbitrary process. The trick you’re talking about is detecting piping to an interpreter, for the lack of a better term. Piping
sleep Ntobashis observable behaviour, for example. Piping anything tocatis not.Oh, I had totally forgotten how it worked! I thought it was exactly that. Thanks for the correction
or just curl
that’s why you install from repos managed by people you trust, it’s like an app store without all the evil
This is absolutely insane
I don’t know what the first one is about. Is it about how the Gemini webpage displays the output?Kinda: https://github.com/asgeirtj/system_prompts_leaks/blob/main/Google/gemini-3.5-flash.md#3-sequence
Whenever the AI uses those XML tags, it displays the ① ② ③ headings. I believe it saying it hallucinated them is a hallucination itself.
What the actual fuck. Sorry, I won’t have better words for quite a while now
Non-deterministic, heavily corporation-influenced software issuing root shell commands in a scenario easily foreseen by attackers who can just make spam pages to poison training data? I’ll have two!
“How the fuck did Doom get installed onto my smoke alarm and not my D: drive? This is the last time I ask AI to help.”
Imagine:
- You sit on your couch.
- Rip & Tear starts playing.
- You notice a faint smell of smoke …
pant shitting intensifies
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