The US House voted Tuesday to pass a measure to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country, springing Congress forward into an issue that has long stumped lawmakers and spurred impassioned pleas by parents, farmers and others with sharply divergent views.
It will now head to the Senate for approval before going to the president for his signature — though its chances in the upper chamber remain unclear.
If we see Donald Trump give that big speech on Thursday in a sweater I will think we fell into the time vortex
He’s not cool enough to put solar panels on the White House or give up his family business.
Or have a cool brother who makes beer.
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It would be nice. I would love to not have to keep two sets of each tool type just because America can’t admit Europe did something better. And not just a little better, like, it’s embarrassing how difficult SAE is over metric.
It’s probably too late for me. But I dream of a world where my grandchildren only need one socket wrench set.
If you do enough stuff yourself you already have two sets of tools. And torx bits. And triple squares. And reverse Torx and triple square. And robertsons. And Allen bits.
And extended versions of all of those. And short versions. And impact versions and the good ones and the garbage ones and sometimes extractor versions if you had a real bad day and went to Harbor Freight three times.
But never a ten mill when you need one.
Australian here.
It’s been a long time since I encountered a nut or bolt that was unambiguously imperial, but my 13mm socket probably gets more use than it should 😏
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The worst is getting out in the field with your 5lb hammer only to find you only brought metric stakes, so you gotta go all the way back and get your 3kg hammer.
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If you remembered your junction box pullers you can just scootch 'em a little closer. Just make sure you have a metric puller otherwise it’ll only pull 'em 2 yards and still be a little short.
Otherwise you gotta send the kid back to the shop to look for it.
My cables were RF so we didn’t use junction boxes so that tool was out unfortunately. Boy I wish we could have used it though!
Another hurdle was getting the signal up/down from the antenna(s). It never failed we didnt have enough frequency grease to get the job done. Many of junior helpers I sent out looking for that. Very kind of the other departments to help them on their adventure finding it. FacOps guys were the most helpful. And we help their apprentices find that Junction Box Puller, Cable Stretcher, etc.
Shit we had one kid nearly in tears looking for FG…
… Adjustable wrenches, you say?
Yes
I just have two measuring tapes. With the dual tapes the markings are on the least convenient side of the tape half the time.
I do rough measurements in SAE so I know what to get at the lumber store, then do the actual cutting measured in metric. Those measurements happen at different times at different accuracy, and do not benefit from being on the same tape measure.
I would love to not have to keep two sets of each tool type just because America can’t admit Europe did something better.
Oh, you’ll still have to do that. Maybe your grandchildren can do away with the SAE tools … as long as they don’t work on old stuff very much.
But for all of us alive today, it won’t change much. Those SAE fasteners are still out there in use all over the place, and they’re not going to magically go away or convert to metric sizes. Even modern production lines producing things after the official change will still probably keep using SAE sizes for a while – converting the production line to metric sizes would require expensive retooling and would bring in zero profit to recoup those costs. Eventually things would switch over to metric sizes, but brand new fasteners in SAE sizes will probably continue in production for at least a decade or two after the switch … and the machines those fasteners are used in may continue in use for a long time even after new production is finally transitioned.
My guess is even if the US fully committed to the metric system today, it would still be ~50 years before someone like an auto mechanic could reasonably expect to work without ever needing SAE tools.
I’m hoping the US is just skipping metric and waiting for a far superior dozenal system. If base 10 is so great why can’t it be divided by 3?
Yes! Dozenal FTW
It’s out grandchildren that won’t need two sets of wrenches. Maybe.
The US has been officially on the metric system since the Carter administration
IDK why we just didn’t stick with it or at the least put both miles/km on the high way signs and slowly get people to acclimate to it…
Feds aren’t involved in highway signs afaik. As for why no states do that, I dont know.
I think they might be as the highway system get funding from the Federal government. That why they have rules like there is so many straight aways to be used as runways, the highway beautification act that removed all the billboards, etc.
A distraction it may be, but I’ll take a win where I can get one. Idgaf which version of the clock we’re going with, I just want it to be consistent
Doesn’t the rest of the world observe standard time? Why would we be permanently out of step with the rest of the world?
Actually, all “standard” time means is that the time is somewhat related to the sun being directly overhead at noon. I say “somewhat” because once you carve the world up into zones like that, the sun will never be directly overhead at noon except maybe in the middle of the zone.
Did you know China has only one time zone? The entire huge country runs on Beijing time. The far west of the country sometimes doesn’t see a sunrise until 10 AM.
So, there is really nothing “standard” about Standard Time at all.
I would like to see the world finally move to Swatch Internet Time and resolve all this silliness once and for all.
That seems like a lot of work just to make time work more easily in base 10. Rather than that, we could achieve a similar result by simply switching our basic math system from base 10 to base 12.
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Because it’s a solution that works?
Horses were a transport solution that worked.
And the fossil fuel industry is a solution that is proving to cause a myriad of problems. What a world.
You want to go back to horses?
Time zones and Daylight savings were once a testiment to man’s ingenuity triumphing over the imperfection of nature. You want to go back to being a slave to the sun?
I literally do not care. Make it permanent either direction for christs sake.
Yeah. All being ‘out of step’ means is that it basically just shifts the time zones one step over. And as long as it just stays that way, it’s fine.
As someone who works with timezones as a developer it doesnt really matter I don’t think. Timezone are already kind of a mess of a concept and honestly I just want it tp stop changing, I don’t really care which way.
Generally, yes. It’s America being stupid again.
This is good … but the same kind of good like the captain of the Titanic declaring that the kitchens must supply vegetarian meal options to those who request it.
Yes, a good thing, but really far off from the most urgent issues facing the country, isn’t it?
Agreed. It feels like a distraction from Team Pedo
Climate change is one of the biggest existential threats to most species on earth, so no
I guess daylight savings time might have a slight effect on greenhouse gas emissions … but it’s got to be quite small. This doesn’t look like ‘serious action on climate change’ to me.
Maybe, in that case, it’s more like the captain of the Titanic putting up a sticky note on the bridge that says ‘watch out for icebergs’ … after they’ve already struck one.
Woosh.
Vegetarian meals is the easiest way massively decrease your carbon footprint
They’ll fuck it up and pick the wrong time, and it will be dark at 4:30 PM for the rest of our lives.
In 50 years, they’ll try to switch to the other time, but Conservatives will fight it because they think they’ll lose two hours, and they’ll literally threaten a Civil War over two hours, then someone will try to explain that they’ll actually GAIN two hours, and they’ll say it’s a Communist hoax with their two Socialist hours, just handing them out to people who don’t deserve them, like the welfare queens just helping themselves to as many hours as the Demon-rats can steal from the billionaires who have more hours than everybody else combined.
So they’ll compromise, and go back to switching times twice a year to keep NOBODY happy, and America can go back to normal.
But the bill is just gonna die in the Senate, so don’t hold your breath
maybe in a twist of irony instead of the bill dying in the Senate, the Senate will die instead?
I mean, two down?
The mistake was calling it the sunshine protection act, that sounds too much like an environmental bill for them to pass it.
Look at congress DEI’ing the sun of all things.
Maybe, but originally it was the Senate who passed it sixish years ago and it died in the House.
On the other hand, who’s lobbying against this, on either side? Seems like the kind of thing that could actually pass, since there isn’t a partisan fight over it, at least as far as I can tell
Watch Trump veto it because he didn’t get his election rigging “SAVE” act passed.
I’m happy to get rid of the change, but once again they ignore scientists and health experts with the choice of daylight time.
How close are they to impeaching pedophiles in office?
Permanant DST was signed into law January 1974 and repealed October 1974. Everyone hated it, it went from 79% approval in December of 1973 to 46% in February of 1974.
Arizona loved it
Did they? Because Arizona was actually exempt from the 1974 change and chose to stay at standard time. They made Standard Time permanent in 1968.
Bad move, this should be something done at the state level only. Some states benefit more from permanent DST while others benefit more from permanent ST.
One of very few things that administration has done right
It was tried. They made DST permanent in Jan. 1974. It was repealed in Oct. 1974. Fastest I’ve ever heard of Congress fixing some shit it was so unpopular.
Yes, they should have stuck with standard time instead of DST. OTOH, the thing everyone complained about was their kids having to walk to and from school in the dark. Now no one walks to school any more, so that doesn’t apply (yes believe it or not most kids used to walk or ride their bike to and from school back then, unless it was too far and they rode the bus).
But Standard Time is superior! I oppose this measure!
I hear this tossed around but, you’re serious? In what form?
DST = more light during personal hours for the vast majority of people. Why would I want prime sunlight hours devoured by the corporate machine? No thank you.
Because dark is for sleep. It’s less about making sure you have daylight to go do stuff and more about making sure people can sleep when it’s dark.
I will absolutely agree that it is less fun, but sleep is pretty important. See also “Why we sleep” book by Matthew Walker. It will make you (albeit potentially briefly) stop drinking, cut caffeine, and go to bed early.
But it would still get dark unless you need to sleep at 5pm for whatever reason. Which isn’t a majority I wouldn’t think.
Will definitely look into that book.
I think it has a lot to do with where you live in a particular time zone too, not just ST vs DST.
I like to wake up early and go birdwatching.
So go to bed and get up an hour earlier.
That doesn’t help if they have to be at work before the birds are out of their roosts.
I suppose that’s true, the birds don’t care about time zone shenanigans!
When they blamed farmers for DST, a farmer said “Cows wake up with the sun, they don’t have a watch”
Stupid
Time changes cause measurable harm. We should have gotten rid of this a long time ago.
Then make it Standard time. Not DST.
I honestly don’t care which is picked. I just want the change to go away.
Fair. When the railroads in the US pushed for time zones we moved away from noon being the time when the sun was directly overhead to more of an average time when the sun was over essentially the middle of the zone. Now Congress is saying that noon is 1 hour before when the sun is overhead. That was true for half the year. Now it will always be true. We’re abstracting what noon is even further.
I am not too worried about it being abstract, and just because something used to be one way isn’t a very convincing argument for it to stay that way. And extra sunlight in the evening doesn’t seem terrible.
I’m aware different people have different preferences though. And I am not going to tell someone they are wrong on something that as far as I can tell is purely subjective.
Try to pick sides on this time permanence is like someone saying “No thanks, that life vests color doesn’t jive with my outfit” while they stand on a sinking Titanic.
Current data seems to suggest standard time is better aligned with circadian rhythm for most people. https://www.daylightsavingtime.info/dst-vs-standard-time
Eventually the people who make the schedules will adapt to this new normal and the people who spent so much to push this on us will realize how dumb they are.
That or split the difference.
That’s always seemed like a reasonable solution to me as well
If ‘measurable harm’ is what your aiming to prevent, abolishing the time change is pissing in the wind. Let’s start with something like gun violence, child poverty, homelessness, holy fuck, any number of issues. “Boohoo, my phone adjusted the time twice a year, I’m so hard done by. 😭”
Ummmm…does abolishing twice yearly time changes get in the way of working on gun violence, child poverty, homelessness, or any of the other issues? No? Then why be such an asshole about it?
We can only seem to work on one thing at a time, so how about we meet in the middle and do fuck all about anything but whinge about mild inconveniences?
Who is this we? I’m pretty positive most people are capable of more than just one thing. And since the current US congress is fucking worthless for anything other than enabling blatant corruption, I’m going to enjoy not having time changes if this actually makes it into law.
Also it isn’t just an inconvenience. It literally kills people.
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