I don’t think anyone is arguing gender inequality doesn’t exist. Also this is class/power issue not a gender issue.
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Were they deleted or something? I don’t see them.
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You’re making it sound like people are saying left and right that gender equality doesn’t exist, when literally no one here is saying that. The comments you’re referring to say the Epstein case isn’t a gender issue, which is very different from what you’re incorrectly perceiving
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This was posted two days ago and I was in this conversation from the beginning. Still waiting for an example of someone saying that issues of gender equality don’t exist
Yeah the women in the epstein files are also getting away scott free. And maxwell absolutely is compared to the punishment she should be getting.
People definitely do that. You just aren’t talking to the right people.
Was about to post exactly this and am glad this is on the top.
While there are gender disparity, Epstein isn’t really about gender it is about ruling class having separate justice system than rest of us.
There might be gender issues like less women being as rich and powerful, but that’s secondary.
How do you even separate gender issues from class and power issues?
You control for gender by class…? Are you OK?
It can be both. Both things can exist simultaneously. They are not mutually exclusive. I hope you understand that
Self reflection
There are women in the Epstein files too, nothing happen to them either.
I mean maxwell is the only person associated with Epstein in jail right now…
They also had Epstein killed
Another Trump employee thrown under the bus. Convince me I’m wrong.
The Norwegian Crown Princess is in deep shit though.
Wait what, really? A quick search doesn’t return anything relevant. What did I miss?
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A scandal isn’t jail time though. Formerly known as prince andrew lost a couple houses and a title, but he’s still free too.
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Damn, that’s crazy. This shit runs deep.
FYI: Epstein was also in jail. Saying that only women were punished is not correct.
When did I say that?
This is a class problem not a sex problem
That’s right it goes in the “class issue” hole lol.
I get why people see it as a sex issue since most of the rich people in positions of power that seemingly don’t face consequences are men.
most of the rich people in positions of power that seemingly don’t face consequences are men.
which is just pure coincidence, right? in a world where genders are split 50:50, it is just the men who have skills necessary to reach these positions. no gender bias here at all…
Two things can be true at the same time… but yeah, stay distracted from the class issue it’s ONLY a gender thing for sure 100% no way it’s anything else make sure it’s only about men and gender and definitely NOT class. Lol
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Yes. I guess I should’ve made that clear on my first comment. I was more commenting on how people seem to see that men are in these positions, so therefore it’s a gendered issue, and then they stop cuz they think they already understand the nature of the problem but there’s actually more going on than what might seem obvious on the surface.
I’m just sick of people getting distracted from class issues.
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Not being dismissed but you clearly want to take it that way.
Two things can be true at the same time
Exactly. So time for you and the other clowns who came with false dichotomy of “it is not gender issue, it is a class one” to shut up.
You are literally arguing against yourself and you don’t even realize it. It would be funny if it wasn’t sad.
I read through other comments and I didn’t realize the sentiment some people had in this thread.
It absolutely is a gender issue and it’s wild to try and say that it’s only a class one.
Stop trying to make everything a gender issue and misreading everything. Clearly it’s both, but trying to pretend it’s not a class issue is just a complete misdiagnosis.
You guys are sooo dumb I cant.
there are no bad woman and all man are bad i guess
i don’t see many rich/ceo women raping 13 year old boys.
Oh well you didn’t see. Okay then no 14th_cyclon see no crime, rules are the rules
A lot of them come from old wealth.
oh. well that explains it, because i am sure they don’t have daughters in the old wealth, so the gender issue is off the table. hurrah!
Plans to remake the square hole video but each shape is a civil struggle painted to make the people fight among themselves
Exactly. The fappening did not end any careers of celebrities
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It’s a bit of both, but the gender problem is at least partially derived from the fact that the larger portion of assholes at the top are men.
Getting rid of them or clipping their wings would likely be overall better for women. Replacing them with a billionaire-class of women would not.
Sex doesn’t matter. It is sad that people are blind fighting each other and getting fooled by assholes
I don’t understand people who dismiss an entire gender’s lived experience. How can you be so patronizing
Op just baiting to get upvotes. Sadly there are too many comments agreeing with her. Fortunately top comments are the correct ones
I think the men on this platform struggle with any topic relating to the other gender. Case in point: needing to frame every problem exclusively through the lens of class struggle, even if it means demeaning the strugge of women or minorities. It’s weird
This post is stupid and I am surprised many people here like yeaa drueee
Why am I not surprised about your attitude towards women.
Por Que no los dos!?
Why do you think they are mutually exclusive? I hate Lemmy sometimes. So incredibly myopic and laser focused one particular perspective.
They aren’t. The Epstein class didn’t exclusively harm women. But nobody likes to mention the male victims it seems.
You didn’t disprove anything though. The perpetrators were predominantly male. Before you start screeching Gisslaine stop and reflect
M.H. Allegation: A 2021 lawsuit filed in Queens, New York, claimed that the “M.H.” individual was under 17 and working as a high school intern when Epstein “induced” him into sexual acts, causing lasting mental anguish.
Whistleblower Reports: Some individuals have come forward identifying as male survivors associated with Epstein’s network, including connections to other high-profile figures and trafficking rings.
Context of Abuse: While the majority of widely reported victims were young females, testimonies and legal filings suggest Epstein targeted young, vulnerable individuals regardless of gender to facilitate his trafficking ring.
I don’t contest any of this. It doesn’t negate the main point I was making. You’re really invested in digging down
What’s your point?
It’s both. Both things can be true. Gender issues are still real in 2026.
… says the one screeching…
You don’t think Epstein’s homeys had any sex problem?
/s
I think they had a whole fucking lot of sex problems.
This one is an issue of class, not gender.
Mmm, there are still gender stratifications within class, as well as class stratifications within gender. The existence of the Epstein class is a class issue; the misogyny of that class is a gender issue; the structural prevention of women to enter that class is both a class issue and a gender issue. And I’m not even getting into race. Like, Oprah dropping nudes is going to be taken differently than Kendal Kardashian, but both are still billionaires, and both would face more blowback than Epstein’s friends within the same eschelon of the owning class.
Yeah, agree. Im just talking about the issue as it applies to meme. There absolutely is room for both things
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Epstein didn’t kill himself.
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Sure but class inequality is what exacerbates gender inequality. Under capitalism anyone who is working class is forced to sell their labor to survive. Women are inherently disadvantaged here because their labor is required for social reproduction. Even assuming an equal distribution of housework and raising kids women have to do the unpaid work of pregnancy, childbirth, nursing, etc. Capitalists will therefore discount the value of a women’s labor regardless of her individual capabilities or productive output. As a result women are often forced to depend on the men in their lives for financial stability.
Conservatives are hell bent on normalizing this unnatural inequality between the sexes because doing so protects the underlying class inequality between owners and workers. This is what helps to create a sexist culture that even wealthy women have to endure. However, a woman who can live off of the growth of her investments is not facing the full weight of gender inequality that a working class woman must contend with. She does not have to deal with the threat of homelessness, hunger, and poverty that keeps many working class women dependent on men. Her financial stability is already assured because of her class position and the exploitation of the working class. That gives her far more freedoms than even most working class men.
The obvious solution to the problem is to upend capitalism which is what reinforces class. That creates the possibility of actually valuing reproductive labor and giving universal financial independence to all women. If you just try to address gender inequality alone without upending capitalism you won’t be able to succeed. Even if somehow you did, the vast majority of inequality would remain because most inequality can be explained by class alone. So while its true that gender and class issues are interrelated, abolishing class creates the conditions necessary to abolish gender inequality.
If you just try to address gender inequality alone without upending capitalism you won’t be able to succeed.
This but in reverse! If you just try to crush capitalism without eradicating gender inequality you will probably fail. If the working class isn’t even united and equal between its genders how could you muster the strength to abolish the upper class?
There’s a difference between rejecting sexism within a movement and trying to abolish gender inequality. I agree that the former is important for building solidarity. However the latter is likely impossible under capitalism.
Idk sort of agree, systemically.
If you are of high enough class, gender aint a problem.
Either way, its the class that I have a problem with regardless whether one gender or another.
I promise I wont discriminate here, believe me.
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Depends who’s richer
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Not entirely? Like class is important but the fact is that women get punished more often for having their sex lives leaked than predatory men do.
You mean kim?
Okay Cesar Chavez
Just stopping by to drop off some ad hominem?
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Yeah, maybe I misunderstood the reference. I guess there’s a bit of a joke in there? It’s not really where my thinking is at for the discussion, but probably there is another conversation the have there fo sure.
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Horrible.
Would it not be reasonable to think he ignored gender equality because of his values towards women?
But you’re right, they are tied together, as are all the other cultural class divisions rooted back to the core issue of economic class. That is the problem to solve, not to the exclusion of others, but because the other problems also must be solved.
I don’t think you know what that word means
in adressing the implication it’s appropriate.
Oh well as long as it’s appropriate
Im not sure this is the double standard you think it is. Women who are in the epstein files also seem to be getting off pretty easily.
Not as easily as they would with fresh slave children to rape, but easily.
I find that, just as some people don’t think trans men exist, some people don’t think woman can be rapists or paedophiles.
I dont think the men in the files are getting it any worse. I think our culture just reveres the rape of children, no matter whos doing it.
Same people who think black people are mostly the source of crimes.
Yeah it has always been the billionaires vs the rest of us
Ownership class vs labor class
The only person serving time for a global conspiracy to rape children is a woman.
She’s a terrible woman who deserves it, but it’s still telling.
TBH, there was another guy but he is either dead or disappeared now.
But the factor of whether people get tried for their crimes is much more about wealth and connection than gender IMO. Even in jail she’s given preferential treatment, and I’m sure there are other women who have been involved with Epstein’s Island of evil in additional to the rich men.
…I’m pretty sure alot of the victims became perpetrators by helping Epstein recruit new victims. If you look into their testimony, they conveniently don’t provide evidence about acts that occured after their 18th birthdays.
There is no connection to gender, only wealth and networking
you mean maxwell in probably a 5 star hotel of a prison?
i remember the 2016 race when identity politics were used as a wedge issue to break up class consciousness
Gender equality is inseparable from class consciousness. The amount of leftist on this platform who are dismissive of feminism is kinda insane. If our class can’t support and aid the most endangered minorities within our own body, why have any hope that any of this is actually about solidarity.
Feminism is foundational in creating class consciousness in western society, you start from the bottom up. If you don’t upset the social economic hierarchy then there is no reason for disenfranchised minorities to believe a revolution would be anything but a civil dispute within the current hegemony.
I think intersectional feminism had a great shot at lighting issues that different types of folk encounter. Somehow socioeconomic status was disregarded and focus was put mainly on race, sex and sexuality. Which is why poor, white, straight men felt were left out and quite understandably so. It wasn’t a problem with intersectional feminism though.
Somehow socioeconomic status was disregarded and focus was put mainly on race, sex and sexuality.
I mean it’s not that big of a mystery when considering the American higher education system. Feminist education being dominated by professors from Ivy League universities made it inevitable that it would be learned through the lens of liberal economics.
Though that’s not really an excuse for self proposed leftist to conflate all aspects of feminism with “blue hair, hate men” that’s so common nowadays.
I don’t really understand why kyriarchy isn’t talked about more by feminists. I think kyriarchy does a much better job of conceptualizing modern systems of oppression vs patriarchy. Multi-dimensional (kyriarchy) vs one dimensional (patriarchy).
Because it will shift the focus from regular men who usually mind their own business to the real problem - deceptive rich parasites
This is the idea behind Jineology if anyone wants to read about it.
As a feminist, i wasn’t being dismissive of feminism. i was referring to the propaganda used to push apolitical disenfranchised straight white men further to the right by creating a “radical” boogie monster version of feminism that made it feel anti male and not about equality.
a similar thing happened with the whole “misogynistic bernie bro” smearing during the dem primary.
There are high society women involved with Epstein too and none of them have been held accountable. In fact the only woman to receive a punishment just got moved to a min security prison and was given a puppy. Stop using heinous shit to push your agenda
Yeah, this isn’t so much about men/women, as it is about money. Like there was a story on here recently about the connection to Ariane Rothschild, and how she basically introduced him to all the power people / helped establish his honey trap – story claimed her name showed up like 12k times in the files, but little/nothing’s happened. Her name is basically verboten in all media… because she’s stupid rich. And Ghislaine is currently alive in a min security prison, with a dog – while Epstein was killed. So, like in terms of the ‘main people’ perpetrating the crime, the guy in the couple got killed, the woman got a dog.
At least the rich men are getting named and semi shamed, like Gates needing to eat crow for fuckin on the island and passing an STD to his then wife.
This isn’t a gender inequality issue. The problem is the Epstein class, not the Epstein gender.
It’s always enlightening to see every time a post about sexism make the front page of Lemmy how many people in the comments argue that sexism isn’t an actual problem.
Looks more to me like people arguing sexism isn’t the problem on this specific case, because it’s not. This is a class issue, not a gender issue. Men and women alike see consequences for CSA, as long as they aren’t wealthy or connected enough to have at least a couple Senators on speed dial.
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Yep you can play misogyny bingo with it
Or misandry
Honestly, it kind of fucking breaks my heart. I usually love the climate and culture on Lemmy. But every time this shit comes up, there is an overwhelming outcry to try and downplay the role of sexism, to highlight outliers in the data while ignoring the obvious trends, and a fuck ton of lemmings do their best Tucker Carlson impression and “just ask questions” that coincidentally reinforce a misogynistic world view.
There’s proof Matt Gaetz paid a teenager for sex, and literally nothing was done.
I used to write cheeky notes in the memos of checks to friends and family (eg “for: eye hole widening” or some shit like that) until I learned the bank and your accountant read that shit and if it looked or smelled funny they were professionally and ethically obligated to report it.
Now I make sure it’s embarrassing just not reportable. (eg “for: butthole removal, 2nd attempt”)
The Metoo movement didn’t even scratch the surface. Every single grown women I have had the privilege to talk to has been sexually assaulted in their lifetime. My wife, my mother, and now my daughters.
The backlash from the Metoo movement has been insane. Cops, prosecutors, and judges have ensured that there will be no justice. The President is a damn child rapist for Christ’s sake. We are absolutely fucked when it comes to gender inequality.
Still waiting for the Equal Rights Amendment to be ratified.
Thanks for having women’s back ❤️
I don’t think many people deny it’s existence. Right-wingers usually justify it by appealing to nature.
I, personally don’t think that introducing girl-bosses and cancel-culture will help with the systemic issue that creates this gender inequality.
I think we could start with killing the rich. See if that one works.
Unfortunately sexist people will continue to generalize. Same as if I call most brown, black people criminals. Glad there are people with brain capacity like you, though the major movement is “some men bad thats why I will call all men bad”
It’s crazy how accountability seems to depend on who you are, not what you did.
How much money you have, that’s all that matters.
