Ayo where the fuck is my horny posting?!
I love how “I fucked your mom” is just too straight and real for Lemmy.
I might be an old straight guy, but I can appreciate keeping it fake & gay around here. 🫡
here’s my cat doing a slutty pose
Me-ow
Thanks for the cat pic, now this pic is mine. What do you call this monster?
To those who’ve down voted this,why if I may ask? Genuinely curious
Because it’s short-sighted and ridiculous. Yes Russia bombs are bad, yes some NATO bombs are necessary but many are also bad, some Israeli bombs may have been necessary in the past but are now overwhelmingly bad.
This is dumb “tankie” talk that tries to push people into corners that are comfortable for the OP so that they don’t have to use their brain and think about whether people’s world views may be more complex and (eep!) sometimes more well-thought of than their own simplistic view of “NATO bad - Communism good”.
And lastly, as many posts on here, it simply reeks of anti-western propaganda.
But this is literally how western media and leaders are portraying this. All bombs are bad, NATO or Russia or China or Iran or Israel I don’t care. And fuck Israeli bombs in particular where and why would bombs by a colonial entity committing genocide ever be necessary wtf?
It’s just American, Israeli and other (extreme) right wing media. So it’s not “western media”.
And no, bombs on an actual terrorist’s head are good bombs. A bomb on Hitler’s ass (like the attempted “Valkyrie” bombing) would have been a damn near perfect bomb.
And as for the Israeli bombs – and as I told the other guy – try to read what I actually said and not what you expect to read based on your prejudices.
yes some NATO bombs are necessary but many are also bad, some Israeli bombs may have been necessary in the past but are now overwhelmingly bad.
That’s what you said and that’s why I responded to.
And where did it say the genocide bombs are good exactly?
some pissrahelli bombs were necessary in the past
there
I know what I wrote, which, incidentally, is not that.
But no, not there. Try again.
Because there is such a thing as self-defence. If you are getting bombed by an aggressor, then bombing them back is a necessary thing. This moronic meme doesn’t take that into account.
Lol Israeli and NATO bombs were necessary? Man, may God forgive you for your lack of humanity and overall ignorance.
Try to read the sentence again. Slowly.
But I did and you’re just pushing Western imperialist propaganda, what’s going on here? Israel is literally a Western colony that destabilises the rest of the region and is genociding the locals, the West has done nothing but terrorise the world for hundreds of years… Are you denying this or what?
Western imperialist propaganda,
Ok, tankie.
I know you just learned this word and are very excited to use it but try to stay on topic.
Ok tankie
Being called a tankie by smug liberals on Lemmy.world is a badge of honour. Wear it with pride 👍🏻
I mean I can’t speak for the other person, but I find Nato Bombs and munitions killing russian fascists very necessary.
Dirty zionist pig
Communism good, anything else: Zionist pig.
It must be bliss to live with such a simplistic world view. Or is papa Putin paying you?
🐷 the hell did I do?
There is not a single good bomb thrown by Israel in history, just like Russia hasn’t thrown a good bomb in the history of the Ukraine conflict. The reasoning is exactly the same. Israel, like Russia, is the aggressor, the occupier in this conflict, since its very inception. It’s very clear from your comments that you don’t read history, and it would serve you well to be less confident about the things you clearly don’t really know about.
“Bla bla bla, hurrdurr you clearly don’t read history, look at me, smarter than anyone!” *Beats chest like a fucking gorilla
That is what you sound like.
I am very well aware of the history. The issue here is that you just can’t wrap your head around the fact that there are actual terrorists that threaten actual, innocent (yes Israeli) people. People who didn’t choose to be born in Israel, kids, teenagers at a music festival.
Good bombs can be thrown by bad regimes. Until you can wrap your head around that one there is indeed no point in arguing. Not because I don’t know about things, but because you don’t. Stop trying to sound smart because your black and white views are anything but. See you around, gorilla boy.
You know what bombs do? They kill people, indiscriminately, especially when you throw them on desnsely populated civilian centers that you’ve driven 100s of thousands of refugees into. They don’t defend against “terrorist” attacks on your occupied soil, they only serve to invite more. What are you going to tell me next, “muh human shields”? Fuck off.
No way, bombs kill people?
And more bad faith arguments after you’ve accused me of making them?
Where have I said that throwing bombs on civilian centres are good? You fucking dense motherfucker.
Don’t tell me to fuck off when you’re arguing like a fucking retard MAGA scumbag.
issue here is that you just can’t wrap your head around the fact that there are actual terrorists that threaten actual, innocent (yes Israeli) people. People who didn’t choose to be born in Israel, kids, teenagers at a music festival.
Where have I said that throwing bombs on civilian centres are good? You fucking dense motherfucker.
Where the fuck are the bombs “protecting” the people at that music festival going, HMMMMM?
It’s fucking hilarious to see you call someone else dumb when you can’t even think through the second order events that come from your statement. To paraphrase you:
Where else do you think those bombs are going to fall? You fucking dense motherfucker.
You’re talking about retaliation against civilians for the actions of terrorists, and those civilians are packed into dense areas by the people who drop the bombs on them.
No one said you thought they were good, that’s your lazy deflection to not acknowledge that it’s happening. How can you not see this?
Sees the slur
Yeah, they’re arguing like a magat scumbag, not you…
Whatever dude, you MAGA fucktards are all the same.
Yes you’re fucking dumb if all your brain is capable of is black and white. Nice and easy, but not the way the world works. Good bombs thrown by bad people on other bad people’s heads and all.
I’m not talking about retaliation either. So if you have to tell me what I’m talking about and have to “paraphrase” me to make an actual point, then maybe, just maybe you don’t really have a point.
Short-sighted.
Sorry.
Ahh it’s grammar. Edited and thanks
That’s alot of assumption from a meme. Edit Addendum: I’m pretty sure the meme is a reference to how specifically media portrays bombs from various countries as opposed to any actual moral claim about bombs.
Maybe you should have a look at OP’s post history.
I think I’m pretty accurate in my analysis ;)
Edit: and yes, of course it is a meme about how media (and certain people) portray these bombs. That doesn’t change what I said at all, and in fact what I said is based on that very same premise.
I wonder why some people push “anti-western propaganda”
Maybe it’s because the west keeps doing deplorable things.
“The west” does do deplorable things but the rest is no better. Don’t fool yourself.
And even then: report what happened, stick to the facts and don’t make propaganda.
This isn’t a news comm it’s shitpost
No shit
Russian bombs are bad not because of the flag, but because they consistently target civilians indiscriminately. Plus the whole invading a neighbor, murdering the people and stealing the land.
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Genuinely not defending Russia here, but Dubya’s pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan was if anything even flimsier than the “justification” for the Ukraine invasion, and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.
The estimates I’ve seen are 300.000 killed in Iraq. There’s more Russians killed alone than that, let alone Ukrainian military and civilian casualties…
Just 15172 civilians killed in Ukraine, according to UN, though. About 40k injured. That’s the lower estimate, yes, but, in comparison, the USA has committed more than 100k confirmed civilians kills in just Iraq alone.
Ok, some in Yemen and Somalia too, but Wikipedia claims the cost of life of the gwot was 4.5 million, and I’ve seen credible estimates as high as 6.
And I think in this situation we’d only really be comparing Ukrainian casualties to them.
and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.
No it fucking didn’t. The completely delusional claim of yours is a good example of why this blanket statement is so stupid.
You can just look up the numbers. This isn’t some secret knowledge. 400k civilians directly killed, on the low end, millions more dead from famine and displacement. Versus like 15-20k in Ukraine.
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Any point you might’ve had about land acquisition, separatism, or imperialism, is pretty hard invalidated by this comparison. Like, why add Bush as a qualifier?
To prevent tankies from accusing me of US bias.
Not helping your credibility
Said the tankie…
Yes, and as usual the tankie is correct
Said the tankie…
I didn’t, but I’m assuming they just haven’t heard anyone say that it’s good to be nuked by NATO.
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There is only one country that has ever nuked another, and NATO didn’t exist back then.
Also, that last bomb should have a sponsored by the USA logo.
Made in USA
With $$$ (Dollar) signs, because the funding came from US taxpayers.
… but then we’d have to have two flags on every bomb! It’s redundant
Yeah, we don’t have time for that. Iranian school girls aren’t just going to turn themselves into chunks of lifeless meat scattered across a wide area.
Americans jumping in calling Israel out are hilarious, you guys are the main source of terror, don’t act like you’re on the right side of this. Go fix your dumpster fire, leave this one to people who aren’t being led by a pedo psychopath. The last thing the free Palestine movement needs is Americans cheapening it.
Who, if not Americans, should call out their nation’s support and direct involvement in this shit?
No see you’re not protesting yourselves and government you’re protesting Israel only as if you guys are innocent
I would assume that “anti-Israel” protesters are equally unhappy with their government’s support for Israel. I may be wrong, but I haven’t met a single person yet, who is a vocal opponent of the Israeli military actions and not their own country’s support for those actions. Maybe those people do exist, stupidity knows no bounds, but I haven’t met them.
Americans are the biggest colonizing terrorist on earth but love it when they can point at another country and go “YOU’RE DOING WRONG” maybe fix your own shit first? Stop dodging blame? Stop policing the world and let better people handle this shit?
I would assume that “anti-Israel” protesters are equally unhappy with their government’s support for Israel.
MAGA is not all Americans. It’s not even most Americans.
MAGA and MAGA enablers, you guys have spent the last 2 years even now insisting democrats are somehow worse than Trump. You are all responsible for this shit show, every single one of you.
While disappointing, democrats are not worse than Trump and I have never claimed they were. You are being hyperbolic.
Many of us want to change it, but we are cattle in the eyes of our government with no real power to change it - though we’re doing our damndest in spite of that.
Second amendment
Remember boys and girls, if the bomb falls from the sky either from a plane or ridding the nosecone of a missile or is shot from the barrel of a tank, that is never Terrorism, it’s only Terrorism if it’s otherwise.
Only poors can do terrorism, silly!
Thats right. When a school or hospital is bombed its only terrorism if the bomb wasn’t made by a fortune 500 company.
You’re going to get called a Chinese bot account for this
War crimes are only bad if the bad guy does them. NATO is a good guy.
Lmao
Clearly it’s a peace negotiation
Aggressive bomb definitely bad, defensive bomb probably impossible, preemptive bomb difficult to distinguish from aggressive bomb
Oops, all bad bombs.
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that last bomb
Truly a feddit.org moderation moment.
Top of the bell curve shit post. I’d argue about operation noble anvil but, that would put me at the bottom of the curve.
I’m still about to see what’s up with that operation tho.
It’s the only time I defend NATO as an institution for defending a marginalized group.
Am I right? Fuck if I know but at least I believe in something.
They did not defend a marginalized group. they needed a Balkan country for a military base (and other pedophilic needs for your masters), so they made one up. Once this base is not needed, you and your fellow Americans will forget that these made-up marginalized groups ever existed.
That’s a whole ass hour dog. Can I get a too long didn’t watch?
Stay away from it. There’s so much more meaningful YT shorts and TikToks for your attention span and learning disability.
Bet.
BYOB
You’re allowed to be antisemitic now as long as you use the word “zionist” instead of “jew”.
Nobody has ever used this one weird trick before ever, so it’s sure to trick everyone! Just remember to use the word “genocide” as many times as you can when someone calls you out for antisemitism. Bonus points if you say “Ackshually the
jewszionists are the nazis!” That’s super original and you automatically win every argument when you compare a group of people with the nazis.Then you can go about making conspiracy theories about the
jewszionists controlling the media, being the secret puppet masters of the world, etc. all you want!I respect the Jewish faith, and think genocide is wrong and should be stopped.
Call me an antisemite now, fuckface.
And don’t forget about people of Jewish ethnicity who are not religious. I respect them too, though I oppose Israel’s genocide.
Do you consider the acts of Hamas on October 7 to be a genocide?
What are you actually asking me? Don’t play stupid coy games.
Do you think of the massacre of women and children to be a game? I consider the actions Hamas commuted on October 7 to be genocidal, not a game.
You a disgusting person to think of genocide as “a game.”
Yes, that’s definitely what I said. You bested me and trapped me with definitely my own words. I bow down to your genius.
So you agree genocide is always wrong then, right?
Bad take.
- Antisemitism is not anti-zionism in any way. One is the dislike of Jewish people and the other is a dislike of a certain sector of people, who need not be Jewish at all. In fact, most zionists are Christian. But I know that you already know that.
- Semites are literally Palestinian people, not Israelis.
“certain sector of people”
Hmmmm… which sector of people would that be? Oh I’m sure you believe there’s “some good ones” when you think about Jews.
Semites are literally Palestinian people, not Israelis.
So you don’t even recognize Jews exist now? You’ve erased the entire Jewish identity from your mind in your rationalizations of how you’re not antisemitic? That’s really disturbing.
It’s the sector of people that want to colonize Palestine, genocide the natives and create an ethnostate. That sector of people.
Yes, that sector.
This isn’t a cryptic mystery here. This isn’t anti semitic. Are you saying all Jews are zionists
What? No, I’m actually saying the exact opposite. I’m the one who informed spacecowboy that most zionists are Christian.
WTF is going on here. Lol
The sector that supports active genocide of Palestinian people.
Once again…most zionists are Christian. I honestly believe that you know exactly what I am saying and are trying to twist my words into something else that would fit your narrative using semantics.
And yes, I have absolutely erased Jewish identity, in my own mind. I am Hitler, in my own mind and I am trying to detach from the guilt I feel, in my own mind. Congrats. You figured me out!
You win a prize!
How do you feel about the “sector of people” that supports the genocide of Jews? Sectors like Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and the Ayatollah of Iran. Whoops, scratch that last one!
Guess what. I’m against that too! I just think genocide is not the best thing. It’s not really that hard to understand. 🤷
Are you against the genocide that Hamas committed on October 7, or do you deny that it was a genocide?
Of course, I am against violence in all cases. It was, by definition, not at all a genocide in any way. It was terrorism.
In your mind: How many elementary schools can a nation bomb before we’re allowed to say that nation’s government is evil and should be eliminated?
Because Israel is constantly targeting and killing women and children, and you’re…ok with that? Please explain.
How many protesters can the Ayatollah execute before you’ll admit the Iranian government is evil and should be eliminated?
You’re arguing regime change is necessary when a government is evil. Iran’s government has killed tens of thousands of people in the last few months. So do you agree Iran’s regime is evil? How are you deciding which regime is evil and “should be eliminated”? Does it have anything to do with the predominate ethnicity of the countries being discussed?
I did not argue that regime change is necessary. I didn’t say a goddamn thing about regime change.
What I said was a direct question, and your dishonest ass couldn’t answer it.
So I will repeat it: HOW MANY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN IS ISRAEL ALLOWED TO MURDER BEFORE YOU’LL BE AGAINST IT?
Answer the goddamn question I asked or leave me alone.
In your mind: How many elementary schools can a nation bomb before we’re allowed to say that nation’s government is evil and should be eliminated?
Emphasis added.
Do you make a distinction between eliminating a nation’s government and a regime change?
Or were you just JAQing off there?
I uh… what? Is this a joke?
I don’t know you tell me. Are the current efforts to zionist wash all of the old antisemitic tropes a joke? I’d think after a bunch of Jews got massacred in Australia y’all would realize antisemitism is real, it’s global, and maybe it’s not a joke.
I dont think there’s a single person here that would say antisemitism is fake. But a blanket “Your an antisemitic a-hole” for anyone that has a differing opinion is literally the same thing, just with religion removed.
Im not saying thats what you are doing, because both your comment and reply have deeply confused me. I dont like to assume withiut at least some level of confirmation, and I never got my answer anyway…
Ah so you recognize antisemitism is real. Good for you. Do you also recognize that there’s a deliberate effort to make antisemitism acceptable by preemptively discrediting all claims of antisemitism?
That’s what the meme is about isn’t it? The point is that “it’s ok to say whatever you want, antisemitism isn’t real.” You’re being front loaded with the idea that if anyone says something is antisemitic that person should automatically be discredited.
If all accusations of antisemitism are false, that logically means antisemitism isn’t real.
A very insidious tactic they’re using here isn’t it?
What? The meme is clearly about using antisemitism as a false flag to shut down arguments.
You may have been on the internet too long, you should take some time to yourself. You have used the word ‘antisemitism’ 11 times in our comment chain alone, including your original comment. You might be trying too hard.
Edit: you still haven’t answered my original question either.
Yes, it’s about characterizing all accusations of antisemitism as being a “false flag” before any discussion happens. How can you know what will be said in future discussions? If all accusations of antisemitism in all future discussions are preemptively declared “false flags” that’s a declaration that antisemitism no longer exists.
You may have been on the internet too long. The internet is filled with rationalizations for hate speech and you might have bought into some of them. The “anti-zionists” talk like antisemites, act like antisemites… take some to to consider whether anti-zionism is just a rebranding of antisemitism. Consider that all of the usual antisemites like Candace Owens are saying the exact same antisemitic conspiracy theories, but they’re careful to use the word “zionist” where they used to say “jews”. Consider that the people JD Vance has been talking to indicate the usual anti-semites that have now rebranded themselves as anti-zionists are being folded into the American fascist movement.
In these times it’s important to establish some red lines you refuse to cross. Because they don’t start with “Hitler was right” on day one. They make you hate a certain group of people and then expand that group over time. Fascists are pushing “anti-zionist” rhetoric, there’s been a rise in attacks on synagogues and there’s been a massacre of Jews celebrating Hanukkah. How long can you deny that these events aren’t connected to the “anti-zionist” rhetoric you’re seeing? You may believe there’s a distinction between zionists and jews, but it’s very obvious there’s a lot of people committing violent acts that don’t care about that distinction.
Why should I care about your rationalizations more than I care about the fact that “anti-zionist” rhetoric is resulting in violence against Jews? To me, if your rhetoric results in violence against Jews, your rhetoric is antisemitc no matter what you call it. Just more racist dog whistling by racist assholes.
Dude this is a bot or troll account. Its impossible to write this much and say absolutely nothing.
There is a deliberate effort to have Israel equal the Jewish faith, so any criticism of the state can be ignored through calls of antisemitism. It’s transparent, part of the Israeli governments playbook and exactly what this meme is about.
I’d also like to point out that you specifically, Spacecowboy, have done some BLATANT genocide denial in the past, so it feels particularly hollow coming from you.
The only one being mislabeled in this meme is the EU. Ukraine is actually defending themselves form an invader (Israel is bombing civilians basically for fun at this point, Hamas is no real threat to them.)
Now who’s in denial? Do you deny the acts committed by Hamas on October 7? Many people were saying they were no threat before that day. Now you’re saying it again.
Do you consider what Hamas dead on October 7 to be genocide? Why not?
You insinuate any push back against Israel is antisemitism, while having very vocally denied the genocide. It’s very easy to see through.
Can’t get healthcare but we can get bombs… 🤦
Either they’re all ironic and OP sides with Russa over Ukraine or none of them are ironic and OP sides with Israel.
I don’t like it. Fuck Netanyahu and Fuck Russia.
I absolutely and unequivocally side with Palestine (half of my family is Palestinian) and Ukraine.
It’s jokes. It’s a shitposting group. I shitposted.
I do not stand with Russia or Israel. Both of those regimes go against everything that means basically anything to me. They are evil, along with the USA, which I live in unfortunately.
WTF
Everyday I see tankie posts and it’s often the same scam: “america bad” (okay) “hence russia and china good”
Your post could be interpreted as such, especially on Lemmy
I’m glad I’m finally seeing someone else that’s actually both pro-palestine AND pro-ukraine for once. It’s usually mutually exclusive — I don’t understand why. Literally every single pro-palestine person I’ve seen otherwise has been pretty vocally anti-Ukraine.
Yeah I think it’s due to Russian influence on social media. Hamas were used by Russia to weaken a key US Ally. So Russia has always pushed pro palestinian talking points which makes them Saints in some people’s eyes.
Fuck Russia and fuck Israel. May fascists die a painfull death everywhere.
People in asia seem to have an infatuation with Russia even before the palestine issue became prominent. It’s sickening.
The only good thing about it I see is that it’s a necessary counter-balance against the US and its imperialism, perhaps.
Yes, I suppose it’s better than them uniting against the democratic world.
Fuck Israel as a whole too why just Netanyahu?
Like 78% of Israel.
Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.
That being said 9s after posting this comment I already have one upvote? Wondering if the admins can check what’s happening with the votes because as much as I believe I’m right I do also think there’s a lot of vote manipulation and propaganda accounts in here.
Israel is a colonist entity just like the USA, Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Argentina, Brazil, etc etc. When the original Israelites arrived there thousands of years ago they colonised it and drove out whoever was there first, they were then driven out by the Arabs who were driven out by the Ottomans who were driven out by the British, who ceded it to the Arabs and Jews who will likely both get invaded by the Turks to “restore peace”. It’s a cursed piece of land. But, you can’t remove it, because the Israelis have hidden a bunch of nukes all around the world as an insurance policy.
What choice is there?
The large majority of them were born and raised there, and some of them truly want peace and prosperity. If their democracy were functioning well then cruel people like Netanyahu would not be able to cling to power for so long, and especially not after his trials.
To ask every Israeli to leave or die is not different than the gaza genocide.
Well just because apartheid south Africa or nazi Germany got dismantled it doesn’t mean that everyone living there suddenly ceased to exist.
A state is an imaginary construct and as such can cease to exist without the actual human being‘s phyiscal existence being affected by that.
It’s a logical fallacy to equate these two things and justify the existence of a settler colonial entity through that.
“The entire concept of” South Africa and Germany still exist. The comment you made above says
Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.
Implying you think it and its people should stop existing.
I don’t interpret this in either of the ways you suggest. I interpret the image as a whole as ironic:
OP is paraphrasing people that claim “Russia bombing people is bad, but the US bombing people is good, and by the way Israel is above all criticism and you’re an antisemite for suggesting otherwise”, and pointing out the hypocrisy in that claim. I think OP is against wars of aggression in general, and is pointing out that the US and Israel are behaving the same way as Russia when they go bombing people “preemptively”, and that being the aggressor in a war is always bad, regardless of who you are.
THANK YOU. That is exactly what was meant by this. It’s a critique towards Israel and war itself, and in no way was meant to show support for the US, Israel or Russia. Fuck all of those countries’ governments.
It’s super hard to joke on Lemmy lately, everyone is srs af
That’s not the US Flag.
Fuck Russia.
You correct, it’s the NATO flag, so you can replace “US” with “NATO” in my comment and my original point still stands. I wrote “US”, because they’re the only NATO member currently bombing someone in a war of aggression.
Fuck Netanyahu and Fuck Russia.
This.
