• FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
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    8 months ago

    Either they’re all ironic and OP sides with Russa over Ukraine or none of them are ironic and OP sides with Israel.

    I don’t like it. Fuck Netanyahu and Fuck Russia.

    • MTZ@lemmy.worldOP
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      8 months ago

      I absolutely and unequivocally side with Palestine (half of my family is Palestinian) and Ukraine.

      It’s jokes. It’s a shitposting group. I shitposted.

      I do not stand with Russia or Israel. Both of those regimes go against everything that means basically anything to me. They are evil, along with the USA, which I live in unfortunately.

      WTF

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        I’m glad I’m finally seeing someone else that’s actually both pro-palestine AND pro-ukraine for once. It’s usually mutually exclusive — I don’t understand why. Literally every single pro-palestine person I’ve seen otherwise has been pretty vocally anti-Ukraine.

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          Yeah I think it’s due to Russian influence on social media. Hamas were used by Russia to weaken a key US Ally. So Russia has always pushed pro palestinian talking points which makes them Saints in some people’s eyes.

          Fuck Russia and fuck Israel. May fascists die a painfull death everywhere.

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            People in asia seem to have an infatuation with Russia even before the palestine issue became prominent. It’s sickening.

            The only good thing about it I see is that it’s a necessary counter-balance against the US and its imperialism, perhaps.

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        8 months ago

        Everyday I see tankie posts and it’s often the same scam: “america bad” (okay) “hence russia and china good”

        Your post could be interpreted as such, especially on Lemmy

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          8 months ago

          Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.

          That being said 9s after posting this comment I already have one upvote? Wondering if the admins can check what’s happening with the votes because as much as I believe I’m right I do also think there’s a lot of vote manipulation and propaganda accounts in here.

          • Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world
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            8 months ago

            Israel is a colonist entity just like the USA, Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Argentina, Brazil, etc etc. When the original Israelites arrived there thousands of years ago they colonised it and drove out whoever was there first, they were then driven out by the Arabs who were driven out by the Ottomans who were driven out by the British, who ceded it to the Arabs and Jews who will likely both get invaded by the Turks to “restore peace”. It’s a cursed piece of land. But, you can’t remove it, because the Israelis have hidden a bunch of nukes all around the world as an insurance policy.

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            8 months ago

            What choice is there?

            The large majority of them were born and raised there, and some of them truly want peace and prosperity. If their democracy were functioning well then cruel people like Netanyahu would not be able to cling to power for so long, and especially not after his trials.

            To ask every Israeli to leave or die is not different than the gaza genocide.

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              8 months ago

              Well just because apartheid south Africa or nazi Germany got dismantled it doesn’t mean that everyone living there suddenly ceased to exist.

              A state is an imaginary construct and as such can cease to exist without the actual human being‘s phyiscal existence being affected by that.

              It’s a logical fallacy to equate these two things and justify the existence of a settler colonial entity through that.

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                8 months ago

                “The entire concept of” South Africa and Germany still exist. The comment you made above says

                Israel is a colonialist entity committing crimes against humanity such as but not limited to genocide and apartheid fuck 100% the entire concept of it.

                Implying you think it and its people should stop existing.

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      I don’t interpret this in either of the ways you suggest. I interpret the image as a whole as ironic:

      OP is paraphrasing people that claim “Russia bombing people is bad, but the US bombing people is good, and by the way Israel is above all criticism and you’re an antisemite for suggesting otherwise”, and pointing out the hypocrisy in that claim. I think OP is against wars of aggression in general, and is pointing out that the US and Israel are behaving the same way as Russia when they go bombing people “preemptively”, and that being the aggressor in a war is always bad, regardless of who you are.

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        THANK YOU. That is exactly what was meant by this. It’s a critique towards Israel and war itself, and in no way was meant to show support for the US, Israel or Russia. Fuck all of those countries’ governments.

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          You correct, it’s the NATO flag, so you can replace “US” with “NATO” in my comment and my original point still stands. I wrote “US”, because they’re the only NATO member currently bombing someone in a war of aggression.