Jeffrey Epstein is singlehandedly responsible for the extreme polarization of this country, and it’s time that we experience a Great Cultural Reset this year.
It makes me wonder, Jepstein set a lot of gears to turn independently, but without the spider at the center of the right-wing web I wonder how completely the propaganda will deteriorate as there’s now one less cohesive force at the center pushing it forward.
FBI is more interested in who leaked epstein’s death on 4chan than who he raped children with
The DOW is currently too high to investigate pedos
On one hand I’m happy this fuck is dead, and I hope he did suffer.
On the other hand, we all know he did not commit suicide and got killed by the Pedoresident following the playbook of his BFF putin to try to save his fat orange pedo ass
There’s still the option that it was a faked death. That much wealth and power, if it could be done, that’s who and when it would be done. I’m not giving it much credence without more evidence, but I’ve got no reason to think that it’s not possible given the series of absurd happenings that morning.
Somebody in Israel logged into Epstein’s Fortnight account a few years after his supposed death, FYI.
I would bet a handler was checking the device and fucked up.
and played a few ranked rocket league games for fun while they were at it
Then got pissed at the smerfs and killed himself
Their FedEx account was in use until 2024.
https://www.ontheditch.com/gained-access-to-epsteins-fedex-account/
Epstein’s Fortnite account
I hate this timeline so much
That someone was exposed as a teenage “hacker”.
I used quotes because it was more social engineering and lying than any sort of hack.
“hacker”… According to Epic, someone changed their handle to Epstein’s handle that was exposed in the files. There was no hacking involved.
I would absolutely believe it that he was walked out and flown to Israel where he lives as a hero of the pedo-genocide state, but his brother who identified his body is vocal about evidence it wasn’t a suicide. I’m not sure what incentive he’d have to both lie about identifying his brother’s body and making so much noise about it being a murder…
I’m not sure what incentive he’d have to both lie about identifying his brother’s body and making so much noise about it being a murder…
Remember that he was deeply involved in Epstein’s businesses, including holding the position of president over the J Epstein & Co investment firm.
Then if he went far enough to lie about identifying the body, it would serve him to not make a lot of noise about there being a big government conspiracy around it…
True, assuming this is rational behavior. People can do some pretty crazy things out of hubris or pressure though.
I’m not going to definitively state that Jeffery isn’t dead. It really is most plausible that he died that night. I just, wouldn’t be surprised if he showed up alive.
This was a hoax, look it up.
If I had that much money I know I would have a “Hail Mary” boobytrap that released a bunch of incriminating evidence in case of my death.
That might be Ghislaine’s job.
if i had that much money, i’d probably start a big ass farm or something. not enough ass in the world today
Imagine if he’d been one of the state of the union guests.
Trump pulls off his face, gasp it was Epstein all along
Like when Andy Kaufman did an entire show at the Apollo with ‘his grandmother’ rocking back and forth in a chair off to one side, only to pull off the wig and it was Robin Williams (in his quietest role ever) all along?
Not impossible, but I don’t see what advantage there would be to keeping him alive vs just getting rid of him entirely.
A simple trade, destruction of evidence in exchange for his life. Mind you I’d still kill him regardless but I also wouldn’t make any deal with slime like that to begin with.
I’m guessing a guy like that who traded in relationships and secrets would be smart enough to set up a dead man drop in the event he goes quiet for too long. It keeps his life valuable.
That would make sense if he wasn’t arrested, convicted, interrogated and with a mountain of evidence in the hands of the FBI. A dead drop isn’t going to keep you alive if the person who wants you silenced thinks you’re already spilling the beans.
But even if that’s the case he’s alive until he clears the dead drop because he’d still be a loose end.
That too. Really it would depend how stupid he and his handlers were/are, I can’t really make any statements on stupid or smart rich assholes are though since I come from a place of assuming everyone of these profligates are universally just above braindead.
It makes keeping him alive, a matter of national security.
Who knows.
Like someone else said there might have been a dead man’s switch ready to release all the kompromat.
Death is obviously very final, if he’s stashed somewhere then you could wheel him out to testify although I can’t really think of a circumstance where that would be advantageous.
I tend to think murder is the far simpler objective and therefore the most likely.
I’m sure it was possible to swap Epstein out. I just don’t think there was the motivation for it
No one wants Epstein alive. The rich and powerful want to bury their crimes, normal people want retribution. The only motivator I can imagine would be a deadman switch, but even if Epstein were smuggled out, the rich and powerful would have dismantled any blackmail Epstein had by now and finished the job
I see no path that still has Epstein alive at this point
There’s still the option that it was a faked death.
I love watching credible conspiracy theories turn into pure garbage conspiracy theories right before my eyes in one thread.
I hate when characters are killed off screen
It turns out the actor playing Epstein was himself involved in a sex trafficking scandal. He was fired. That’s why they couldn’t have an on-screen death for the Epstein character. The whole thing is super meta.
Does it still count as suicide if they hand you the rope and tell you this is the easy way out and if you don’t play ball they’ll make sure it’s painful?
The only threat they needed to make was a return to general population.
I seem to remember him being attacked by another inmate. Instead of being put into protective custody he was put on suicide watch, which is its own kind of hell.
So, he changed his will to fuck over his victims, and is suddenly pulled off suicide watch.
The only two people needed to then make sure Epstein was dead would be the warden probably Epstein’s own lawyer. Maybe the psychiatrist who signed off on the removal from suicide watch… But the suicide watch wasn’t initially justified, so pulling Epstein off it wouldn’t seem strange.
Hell, if you were a clever, high placed official in the DOJ, an example being Bill Barr, you could simply tell the warden to “put some pressure on the pedo” and then use the lawyer to deliver the real message of “kill yourself before we put you into the general population”.
Then you get a dead loose end and no record of illegal activity inside the prison. Also you only have to buy off a single person who likely already has questionable morals.
On the other hand, we all know he did not commit suicide and got killed by the Pedoresident following the playbook of his BFF putin to try to save his fat orange pedo ass
No, we don’t. That’s a dumb conspiracy theory.
At 8:16 a.m. on August 10, 2019, an anonymous 4Chan user posted…
It beat ABC News journalist Aaron Katersky’s post about Epstein’s death on Twitter, now known as X, by 38 minutes
Is that in any way surprising? Someone with insider knowledge posted about it before a journalist was informed?
In the Wikipedia article about his death they said that he was rushed to the hospital and pronounced dead at 6:39 AM. More than 90 minutes before even this post on 4Chan, he’d already been taken out of his cell, rushed to an ambulance, driven across NY, taken to a hospital, rushed into the emergency room, and pronounced dead. There were so many opportunities for someone to notice that and post it somewhere.
In a sense, this means you pretty much clear the jail guards, ambulance drivers and emergency room doctors, nurses, orderlies, etc. of suspicion. Can you imagine that they saw a dead Epstein, but sat on that for 90 minutes before posting it to 4Chan?
What’s surprising here isn’t that it was posted first to some forum used by random Internet chuds. That’s what you’d expect. What’s surprising is that they were competent enough to keep the news quiet for nearly 2 hours.
Not to mention the fact that people at ABC news knew about it sometime before the reporter posted about it.
That’s what you’d expect. What’s surprising is that they were competent enough to keep the news quiet for nearly 2 hours.
Most people in NYC are probably in traffic or on the train at that time in the morning. Aaron Katersky probably got the scoop simply by being at work before 9am.
I wonder how he found out. I’m guessing the person who leaked it on 4Chan is probably a political staffer, or something. Initially I thought it was a prison guard or a paramedic. But, I’d have expected them to leak it sooner. Say you’re a 4Chan user and you’re a prison guard. Would you really discover his body, call an ambulance… and then wait over an hour and a half before posting on 4Chan?
You might have some reports to fill out or whatever and post about it after getting home after the end of your shift or whatever. I mean it’s probably not the person’s first thought to post about it to 4chan so there being some lag time would make sense.
But it could also just be an intern at ABC who monitors social media channels (including 4chan) for leads heard about it and posted before it was confirmed. Serious journalists will put in some legwork to confirm a story before reporting it, but there’s no requirement to do that if you’re just posting shit to 4chan.
The newly released Epstein files show that the Justice Department tried to identify the 4Chan user behind the posts — but couldn’t figure it out.
“Good luck, I’m behind 7 proxies.”
classic
Reminder that the Sarah Palin hacker was caught because they included the web proxy url in their screenshots they shared.
Edit: it was 16 years ago so here’s the Wikipedia article for additional context.
The hacker left behind traces of his activity. His IP address was logged at the proxy he used, CTunnel.com, and he also left his email address while posting to 4chan. Furthermore, the attacker revealed the original web address used by the proxy
There were at least 3 easy ways to track him. Dude really sucked at covering his tracks
I backtraced it!
Trump obviously killed this dude, right?
No. There’s talk about he’s alive and living in israel. Which makes a lot of since. Epstein was too powerful to be killed.
That is the most crackpot thing I’ve heard in a long time.
Tha that photo was AI
It could have been any number of people. He had dirt on half the politicians and business leaders in the country. Lots of people wanted him dead.
Yeah but there’s the classic elements to solving a murder mystery: means, motive, and opportunity.
Trump had all three.
The user also provided some of the earliest unproven conspiracy theories about Epstein’s death. In one post, which was later deleted but provided to the FBI in response to the subpoena, the user said someone may have swapped out Epstein’s body because of a mysterious van seen the previous night, DOJ records show. “You guys i am shaking right now but i think they switched him out,” the anonymous poster said.
Damn
Yeah there’s also a theory that Ghislaine is out free, someone saw her in Quebec
Also someone logged into one of JE’s gaming accounts from Israel like a month ago
My bet is he is being sheltered by Israel, and Ghislaine is headed there too
Edit- I should have said someone SUPPOSEDLY saw her, that’s on me
There are 8 BILLION people on this planet. The chances of a Ghislane doppelganger roaming around is not as low as one might think.
Yeah but like 5 billion of the people on earth are either Chinese or Indian
EDIT!! I am not racist, it’s just a fact that there are not 8 billion white ladies
She looks a lot like my stepmom
The ghislaine video was proven to be a faceswap.
This one?
Not saying it’s definitive or that it’s NOT a face swap but dang that’s a wild video
Yup! Definitely that one. Showtoolsai has a video explaining the tells on it.
Here’s the instagram link, he hasn’t put it up on YouTube yet: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVJ7hHvD63Q/
This is really cool, thank you
No problem! I wish there were more people doing that publicly, and I’m sure there are but I would need to go looking.
Proven by whom? How do you even prove such a thing?
Image analysis. When a video is modified it is often pretty simple to tell if there are inconsistencies from an image captured under real world conditions using a camera lense.
It’s pretty simple to trick the human eye these days. But it’s significantly more difficult to modify a real world videos and perform “in-painting” (the more general term for a face swap) without obvious inconsistencies appearing.
It’s significantly easier to detect these inconsistencies than it is to perform in-painting that doesn’t have these inconsistencies.
It’s not 100% deterministic. But it is enough to conclude that it is more likely than not a digitally modified image/video.
Video is MUCH easier to conclude as fake or real too. Because, unlike an image, the in-painting needs to not only work consistently to real world conditions and match the surroundings throughout, but it also has to match seemlessly and naturally to every single frame one after another.
The specific techniques are usually dependent on the video. But sometimes something as simple as increasing the contrast on an image can really expose that the pixels of an in-painted portion are not behaving how the surrounding pixels are.
If you’re interested I found a journal paper that goes over it. Haven’t read it myself. But will likely after this comment. But just looking at the images in it can give you an idea of what the image analysis would be looking at.
https://www.mdpi.com/2313-433X/10/2/42
Edit: I know nothing about the Maxwell video in question. This is just an answer on “how” people can determine if a video or image has been modified.
Not sayin I believe it
Here’s one showtoolsai posted on instagram, its not up on his YouTube yet but he does this for a living and is a great resource for learning AI red flags.
The gaming account was someone who changed its username and then got banned.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that was found out. But I am not comfortable just believing something like that. I don’t think that’s healthy.
It’s not a comfortable thing to think about, that’s for sure
Well 4chan had some deep ties with epstein. Epstein knew the founder and even got him to make a channel
Yeah I don’t think this is necessarily related. At least one of the two sets of claims looks credible, came from a New Jersey IP, and are connected with someone who worked at the facility.
The timing could very well be a coincidence. But he had deep ties with pretty much everybody regardless
Elon and his cohorts have been involved in 4chan since it was a cultural phenomenon back in the day. Not because he had some skin in the game, but because it probably felt good to know and disseminate information before the rest of the 4channers knew it. That boy is all about clout before anything else.
clout
Isn’t 4chan’s main claim to fame that everybody is anonymous?
Elon def has namefag energy
i don’t use 4chan, what’s a namefag
Basically, on an online forum like 4chan, using a username or real name instead of just going with the flow like almost everyone else.
As for why they attach f*g to literally any and every designation besides anon, it’s 4chan. Actually, many dots were connected for me as far as the disgusting nature of 4chan when I realized Epstein was very active on /pol/. He was also very active on /u/ (Yuri) but most people aren’t ready for that conversation, people really don’t like it when you imply porn is bad here.
Tell me more about his /u/ connection
(Also porn is good btw)
tw: slurs I guess but from context I think that should be expected
I’m pretty sure it started with “newfags” and self-declared “oldfags” and grew from there to be a general suffix. (e.g. “consolefag here. Should I finally try PC?”)
so rather than get a new number every post, logging in and getting a username sort of thing?
Uh, no, more like making a post and then signing your message with a username/real name.
Edit: truth be told though, I don’t know if there was a way to actually have a ‘username’ on 4chan — someone else will have to answer that. Didn’t spend a large amount of time on the platform.
Pretty sure it’s just a text field but yeah I was saying Elon is an egomaniac so he would sign his posts on a board that’s known for anonymity
It is! Until you tell everyone that you hang out on /b/. Much like a number of people in his DOGE cabinet that were salivating at the chance to undermine the government without understanding how it functioned. Telling people that you browse /b/ is virtue signaling that you’re mentally deficient.
I don’t think virtue signaling is accurate here.
I think it is directly signaling that you are mentally deficient, and this has been true the entire time /b/ has existed.
True. /b/ was never good.
whenever there is breaking news, I always pop over to 4chan. They have videos, images, witnesses, and statements before any mainstream media.
Yup, same. Even now, despite how bad it’s gotten over there. They’re usually ahead of certain types of news
What board is posted on?
/b/ and /pol/, occasionally /bant/
Obviously you have to sift through the usual 4chan shit to get to it but it’s there
I’ve managed to avoid going to 4chan for over a decade, but now with how other sites are going, I should probably consider going there regularly to see what’s what
it’s gotta be better than reddit, right? at least in terms of real people behind the accounts?
Not worth it.
It’s almost the absolute worst of humanity made anonymous and public. “Almost” is only there because they will delete blatantly illegal content like cp, but anything else goes. Overt racism becomes normalized because people engage with it so it keeps getting bumped to the top. Some legitimately mean it, some are just trolling for the lolz, but either way it desensitizes people and normalizes the view.
Repeat for any other kind of bigotry or harmful view you can imagine.
In terms of real people behind the accounts
One of the defining features of 4chan is the lack of accounts. Most posts are anonymous. Even harder to tell if someone is human or bot when you can instantly just roll a new anon ID.
yeah I don’t mean browsing I just mean when something happens to go check out there instead of elsewhere that has no info yet
You understand that people on 4chan make stuff up when breaking news happens? It’s a time honored tradition to find a random picture of a trans woman every time a school shooting happens and say it is her. You’re doing the equivalent of going to Stormfront or Alex Jones for breaking news.
gonna be honest, it’s not usually worth being on the bleeding edge or whatever the kids are calling it of info if you have to go to 4chan. take a nap, let your blood pressure drop, and then go back to your usual reliable sources.
Lol no
Better than reddit is a very low bar.
It’s way worse than reddit. It is trolls trolling the cesspool. It just so happens that thanks to no filters, 4chan breaks news faster than anyone. They had all the Charlie kirk videos before anyone and the news of his shooters capture too. They knew world cup hosts and all about Luigi hehe anyone. Celebrity scandals and political victories too.
The longer this goes on the weirder it gets.
A death reported before it happened?
Thousands or hours of video tapes being withheld?
Shipping containers he used full of incriminating documents?
I’ve always had distain for conspiracy theories, but I also suspected the elites were probably deranged.Then, the other day, I was search for bbq recipes, and came across a Cannibal bbq subreddit. I assume it’s all ai, but… I don’t know what to think anymore. Trump and his friends are just so evil. All I can think about is what the nazi concentration camp people did. torture twins, make lampshades out of human skin.
I grew up in a rural town where nothing ever happened and nobody locked their door. This is all so wrong.
I’ve always had distain for conspiracy theories
I totally am with you. However, there is definitely quite a range in the theories. And it’s probably a bit naive to always fall for the narratives handed down by suspect elites on any given matter, some of them better known as “coincidence theories”.
Some “theories” later turned out to be true. It’s quite a distance between the findings of the Church Committee, for example, or what came out of Iran/Contra, or the Pentagon Papers, or the Panama Papers, as contrasted with rando nonsense like “Nazis built bases on the moon”.
Unfortunately, it’s hard to thread that needle I guess. People jump from the findings on Tuskagee and go feet-first into assuming Fauci did something illegal in Wuhan and/or that Covid was fake/“just a flu” and this was all a trial run/experiment to institute the New World Order and/or that mRNA vaccines were going to kill you or whatever…I mean, so many people just went buck wild during Covid.
In 2019 I graduated uni and struggled to find work for 9 months. During that time my boredom took me to the conspiracy subreddit… Most of the things on there are hilariously far fetched. But also people there were CONVINCED that Epstein wasn’t going to make it to trial. When he died (or escaped), my view on conspiracy theorists changed substantially. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised to find out 9/11 was planned, in all honestly.
Watch Saló by Pier Paolo Passolini. Looks totally credible. If butchers in concentration camps (or IDF in Gaza) can be the summum of evil, why would the elite not be. Epstein compromised them and now, after Gaza, Trump is going to go to war with Iran because there’s a pedo video of him somewhere. I always assumed Israel was doing America’s dirty work in the middle east but it’s the other way around actually. One can only assume Israel has the same leverage over the UK. They all got compromised.
Watch Saló by Pier Paolo Passolini.
You’re not wrong, but . . . jfc that is a hard movie to watch if you have a soul.
Which is, of course, why Pasolini made it the way he did.
You want to get even weirder about conspiracies, him and thiel where looking for ways to make systems collapse as an easier way to make money and epstien’s death is triggering a lot of people to go down conspiracy rabbit holes thus weakening faith in existing power structures, if any of this is actually planned I bet his suicide faked or otherwise and the ripple effects might be
It’s surprisingly hard to get AI to give reasonable cannibalism recipes.
It’ll do it if you ask for human like meat as a placeholder though.
What is a “human like meat”
Long pig
In https://lemmy.world/c/Epsteinfiles from 17 days ago:
https://lemmy.world/post/42921222?scrollToComments=true
There were two IP’s associated with these comments.
107.77.223.177
and
172.58.139.162
One IP was responsible for all of the comments regarding medical information (which can be confirmed in part by the autopsy, also available unredacted (mostly) in the files(.
I tried to follow up on the FBI effort to get the cell data for both of these. As far as I can tell, the rPtND1Si post resolved to a new jersey IP (this is the AT&T customer), and the second resolved to a sprint customer (swam8WIF). If you look up the second IP, it resolved to the Chicago area (the sprint customer). The sprint response to the FBI record request stated that their system used “dynamic IP”. Its not clear to me the FBI followed up on the sprint customer any further. My read was they couldnt get a location from that IP because of sprints internal system.
See here: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 9/EFTA00133349.pdf for the original data.
Sounds like Epstein got the confidential-informant-who-gets-a-fake-identity treatment. From the sounds of the rumors, it wouldn’t be the FBI either. Given it involves international parties, it would probably involve the CIA and Epstein would literally be protected by the Intelligence Identities Protection Act if his new identity were to be revealed, and at the highest classification of secrecy, so nobody involved in the operation probably even knows who they are providing support to.
I mean the autopsy agrees with the statements in the 3 post 4chan thread, which was the first to claim epstein was dead. There was also a leak in some of the docs with a reporting reaching out to the FBI about a paramedic who leaked the situation via 4chan. So at least the FBI clearly thought that claim was credible.
The second 4chan claim, about the swapping out. This one is tough. I’ve dug around and I can’t confirm that the subpoena records go anywhere. I can find the subpoena to 4chan and 4chans legal response. I can also find the subpoenas to T-mobile and I think Sprint, looking for the information on the IP addresses given by 4chans legal response. But I can’t find the response from the telcoms to those subpoenas. Thats where the chain ends for me currently.
Probably trying to find a way to sue 4chan.
Can we do a class action lawsuit?
Slam dunk case too.
Lucky guess
I don’t think that he is
Deadif he suddenly shows up with a fleet of gold
star destroyersbattleships i will forgive JJ and Disney but only then
