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    AI generated slop, ICE would not have stopped, ICE would have ran her over and told you to ignore your lying eyes. Though it certainly puts tank man in perspective, it wasn’t just tank man, it was those driving and commanding that tank who still had enough shame to stop and not trample them.

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      Do you actually know what happened at Tiananmen Square?

      Tank man was the day after. The night before, they turned a massive student protest into a slurry that they pushed into the sewers. There was no shame.

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        You seem to think I’m trying to justify the Tiananmen Square when I’m just putting one particular incident in perspective to how ICE usually acts. Your gross oversimplifcations seem to want to act like whataboutism to how much worse the Tiananmen Square by portraying it into a caricature of “a massive student protest into a slurry that they pushed into the sewers”.

        It got pretty bad, a lot worse than any particular ICE incident up to date, but in a lot of ways it was served to the people just like ICE is being served up. People in the US should really inform themselves better with nuance, because the nuance is that it’s far closer to how ICE is acting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre#Military_action

        This is only a year into Trump’s second term and it’s already this bad. Just look at how long it took Hitler. I’m one of the people that follow several China youtubers, who supports how they can be an outlet for criticism that could not be made any other way in China, but I’ve gotta say, it has been revealing how much they are willing to ignore what is happening in the US and how illegal the operation against Venezuela was to the point that I now ask how much their bias is influencing them taking about outliers as if they were representative of the whole. The standard you compare against matters.

        There were tanks that mowed down people in Tiananmen Square Massacre, but in the infamous particular photo that made Tank Man famous, it really does characterize the restraint of that particular commander and/or driver from their shame, specially because others in the same massacre didn’t. It’s used to illustrate what difference one instance of opposition can make, but it’s also inherently only possible because that tank chose not to make that guy an statistic. The thing is, you are much more likely to get someone in the military to doubt themselves when facing its from an army that made up of the general geographic group of your peers than you are from one specially made to include the most racist, narcissistic, and power-tripping members of it. That’s why soldiers get a lot of the post traumatic stress disorder than some of these assholes never will (and neither do I think Jonathan Ross was suffering from it).

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    So according to the tankie narrative, what this woman is really doing is telling them to go back and do their jobs

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      Fun Fact: You can totally Google the Not Safe For Life images of the Tiananmen Square massacre. Tank Man wasn’t ran over, but many other students were.

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      Bullshit.

      If he was alive and well he would have been trotted out to the public as propaganda by the CCP that they weren’t cruel. Look, see?! He’s alive! There was no massacre! While he regurgitates some safe speech that toed the Party line.

      If he’s lucky he disappeared and kept his mouth shut to survive in silence.

      Sources conflict as to his identity, and whether or not he was executed, imprisoned , or lived free.

      Not that I expect tankies to think anything other than pro-CCP thought.

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      A) The image isn’t even an actual event. The person doesn’t exist. Therefore they are neither safe nor unsafe.

      B) Sparing the life of one citizen after murdering hundreds is not the flex you think it is

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        It’s not just an image, it’s a video depicting a column of tanks leaving a Tiananmen square suspiciously empty of squished bodies. Tanks that, after having supposedly finished squishing hundreds of protestors that aren’t seen, just stop for one single guy who stops them and and even talks to the guys inside the first tank.

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          You should at least learn to comprehend English before spouting bullshit. The OP is an image which actually doesn’t feature any tanks at all! Always these mother fuckers dropping in with copy and paste internet warrior bullshit without even understanding context. This shit has to come from A) low-grade troll farms, B) Terrible LLMs or C) people with inconceivably bad grasp of the English language.

          The post I replied to was attempting to compare an actual, factual scenario against an imaginary scenario that never took place where anyway is anything and whisful thinking overrides reality. “Making shit up” to push political agendas is vile and disgusting and is called propaganda.

          Governmentz murdering innocent people is bad. Full stop. This isn’t West vs East tribal war bullshit. It’s a damn universal concept. Just swallow that tyrannical governments are bad. It doesn’t matter their location, or politics or ethnicity of the perpetrators. It’s still wrong and will always be wrong.

          I hope anybody who disagrees gets everythings they’ve ever dreamed of.

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            What? Are you talking about the literal op image itself and not what it’s referencing?

            And again, I’m highlighting the absurdity the a bunch of tanks that had supposedly just got finished squishing hundreds of protesters and were then leaving the square (that suspiciously doesn’t have hundreds of squished bodies in it) then decide to stop for one dude. How does that make any sense?

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              I’m highlighting the absurdity the a bunch of tanks that had supposedly just got finished squishing hundreds of protesters and were then leaving the square

              Nobody said that? The tank man incident occurred the following day and is a sign of rebellion against a tyrannical government. Nobody except the uneducated or people intentionally obscuring the facts believes both events took place on the same day. Tank man is so powerful because he did it despite the government slaughtering people the day previously. Standing in front of the tank was extremely brave and probably even a little stupid but powerful nonetheless.

              This is pretty basic history here. You really think the whole world would make a big hubbub over some rando standing in a street without any further context? People stand in streets everyday and aren’t newsworthy.

              Attempting to negate the sacrifice of those killed and belittle them is disgusting and wrong.

              The Chinese government, like ALL governments, did a bad thing and the only way we grow as people is to admit this shit happens and learn from it, otherwise we’re repeating the same cycle forever.

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    All of the ICE vehicles I’ve seen are unmarked, with non-uniformed masked men jumping out of them and attacking people or their vehicles. Maybe 10 years ago, a Florida Man shot a black kid for wearing a hoodie, and got off on “stand your ground laws”. Apparentlly, MAGA thinks “if they could be ICE, give them all your money and vehicles” or you, as domestic terrorist scum, deserve to get killed.

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    It’s refreshing seeing less complaints about AI. Soccer Mums attire is on point.

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      I mean… I think it’s worrying that the norm is “who cares if it’s AI? It’ll fool plenty of people, spread it!” If that’s what you mean.

      Social media is going to kill us all well before AI does.

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        Do you really think the intent of ops image is to “fool” people and not to be a parody political commentary?