And there it is. The promised ‘vote on subsidies in december’ that the 6 dems cancelled the shutdown for. We all new what the outcome would be.
I feel for all those whose insurance premium is about to become unaffordable
I feel for all those whose insurance premium is about to become unaffordable
Idk. I’ve been told a bunch of them are Republicans and therefore they deserve to suffer.
Pretty sure that’s just a dishonest attempt to DARVO the people who acknowledge that republican voters don’t care about anything until it harms them directly.
Not just Republicans. Most voters are fixated on local and personal issues. National politicians typically have a free rein on foreign policy thanks to the significant disconnect between international affairs and voter household issues. To add to the problem, Presidents can’t be recalled. Judges serve for life. Senators hold office on six-year stretches. The only people who really face the wrath of a disgruntled populace on a regular basis are House Reps (and gerrymandering blunts that knife most election cycles).
If you really get under the hood of the GOP and ask what makes them tick, one thing that sticks out is the degree to which the fossil fuel industry’s presence in a district/state influences the number of Republican voters. Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are great textbook examples, with rises and falls in the profitability of petroleum products neatly tracking their success at electing conservative leaders.
One question you might want to ask, as a liberal who claims to love universal programs like health care and education and housing and public transportation, is why your own state leaders suck at it so much. California’s the 7th largest economy in the world. And they’ve got broad control over their Medicaid dollars, same as any other state. Why aren’t they doing Public Options or State Run Hospitals like their peers in Canada and the UK?
FFS, blood red Kentucky has a more leftwing health care system than anything in bright blue Washington State or New Jersey.
California has MediCal. It’s a weird system, but it works better than KY. I know I moved here from KY in 2016.
As someone who used to work at a pharmacy, Medi-Cal works because it’s allocated as part of the state budget along with Medicaid and they actually pay on time (with minimal 3rd party middlemen). Given the shit going on with Medicare Advantage now, that’s about the best you can hope for public coverage :)
Hoping this is sarcasm mocking this kind of take.
Everyone deserves healthcare. This is like the “I’m calling ICE on my neighbors that I know have undocumented family members because one of them voted for Trump”. It’s just treating politics as a team sport for entertainment; and not actually caring about it because you want positive change for the world you live in.
This is like the “I’m calling ICE on my neighbors that I know have undocumented family members because one of them voted for Trump”.
I’m sure liberal has done this IRL. The desire to punish brown people for voting incorrectly is strongly bipartisan.
If they brought it about then yes, they do.
Did they bring it about? I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
FFS, look at the Michael Bloomberg campaign. And he’s practically running the national party at this point.
Did they bring it about?
Did they vote for the clowns running this circus?
I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
Always laughable to hear republicans call for ‘entitlement reform’, because the reform is always ‘fuck you, you don’t get this anymore’. Or they sell the service to a private company who gets to wring you for every cent, then tell you ‘fuck you, pre-existing condition, go die’.
Did they vote for the clowns running this circus?
Giving every die hard Ted Cruz supporter a free pass
Did they bring it about?
Yes, clearly. They put these people in power. They happily voted for a guy who had a health care policy that amounted to “concepts of a plan” for like a decade now.
The people who didn’t vote for Republicans don’t deserve it. The children and dependents of Republicans don’t deserve it. The adult voting Republicans do deserve it. They did it to themselves, I have zero guilt nor sympathy for them specifically.
I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
I don’t. I can’t think of a single time from last election season where this was agreed upon as a bipartisan issue. Also, health insurance has never been lumped in with this. Your argument that both parties wanted to end ACA subsidies is absolutely asinine and totally divorced from reality. More lazy “both sides” nonsense usually originating from people who want to feel superior to everybody while also not having to do any work.
FFS, look at the Michael Bloomberg campaign. And he’s practically running the national party at this point.
What Bloomberg campaign?
They happily voted for a guy who had a health care policy that amounted to “concepts of a plan” for like a decade now.
They were the same guys voting for Romney in 2012, the man whose health plan was good enough for Obama to crib wholesale.
I can’t think of a single time from last election season where this was agreed upon as a bipartisan issue.
Joe Biden Has Advocated Cutting Social Security for 40 Years
What Bloomberg campaign?
He’s the thirteenth most prolific campaign financier in 2024
They were the same guys voting for Romney in 2012, the man whose health plan was good enough for Obama to crib wholesale.
Yeah, and then you fucking dumbasses started calling it “communism” and yelling about “death panels”. Did you forget? If you’re proud of that achievement, why did you reject it entirely four years later?
You’re seriously trying to act like we stole what you think was a good idea after the way you acted? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. Are you seriously trying to pretend that Republicans support nationwide universal healthcare? No one can be that stupid.
I don’t understand what you think you’re supporting with the Biden link. Your assertion was Republicans somehow didn’t bring about the situation they currently face. Did you forget, you fucking dumbass?
You seriously just some random thing that in no one supports your argument. You’re to pretend you never made that argument to begin with. I don’t even know what to say, how the fuck does that dispute the text you put it under?
You said that he “runs the party” and your link his 13th? How fucking stupid can you be? How is being 13th give him unilateral control over the party?
Stop making ridiculous you can’t even remotely support, it’s just fucking sad.
you fucking dumbasses started calling it “communism”
Oh sure. That was half the joke of 2009. Insurance lobbyists going on TV and predicting America would become Venezuela for getting subsidized private coverage.
And Democrats were happy to play along. Lieberman filibustered the Public Option from within his own party because the TV news made the bill so unpopular
I don’t. It’s going to hurt the red states more. Even in the areas that aren’t red, more people went so far to the left they chose to support Trump or sit out the vote which helped secure his house and senate wins.
People are finally waking up to realize that elections have consequences and the latest elections are showing it.
Until it hurts someone you do like. My dude, that is the exact republican mentality we need to overcome eh?
Eh, at this point I’d be happy just to see a lot more graves with a red baseball cap hanging off them and an epitaph inscribed saying “I didn’t vote for this”.
They had, what, almost a decade to read the writing on the wall? Maybe two if you want to go all the way back to Bush (or four for Reagan)? I used to try to link resources for education when discussing with these people, explain the consequences of our own and others’ actions, and where have we ended up now anyway?
Fuck 'em. The more of them that die, the less problems my generation and my family and friends have to worry about in the future, and hey, maybe I can nab a cheap house at their bankruptcy auction.
MAGA ignorance is the result of the oligarchs war on the working class via destroying public education among a litany of other things.
Nothing about magas dying will prevent the cycle repeating.
Then the clear solution is that there should have been grassroot organizations that took charge and emphasized the importance of an educated citizenry…
Oh wait, there were. The response was that they banned books and criminalized areas of study (Critical Race Theory) that would give the citizenry the ability to reflect on history and their abuses. All of this occurred within the last 13 years, by the way.
Brain drain has already taken effect from those who took the emigration route out of their state to a place that valued them. If those of sound mind need to escape but are unable to afford, let I be the first one to donate to their plane or train ticket. As for the rest of the state, let it fail. Let it self destruct. Allow the Kansas Experiment to repeat until nothing is left but the hollow shells of buildings.
Exactly. These people are probably producing lots and lots of mini-mes. Cons may rebrand out of being “maga” into something else, just like they tried to make “tea party” a thing, but it is the same old shit in a different box - the oligarchs will whip up division - the old favorite is of course along racial lines, but lately, there has been a big helping of anti-trans rhetoric, and also a huge addition of inter-generational conflict, and I see lots of the so-called “left” buying into that, and… holy shit is that stupid. But I digress. Anyway, the oligarchs whip up this division, get a lot of idiots voting for Republicans so they can “hurt the right people” or lots of tankie type morons sitting out or lodging protest votes for the unelectable because “gerontocracy” or whatever the fuck, and then, of course, get lots of policies that funnel more money and power upwards…
People keep thinking the younger generations will save us and I want to believe it, but just don’t see the evidence. If anything, I see them getting sucked into a vortex of red-pill bullshit on the various platforms at very impressionable ages and with very little life experience or wisdom to counter it. At least when boomers or gen-xers or older Gen Y were/are getting exposed to things like this as well as Faux, they had experience prior to encountering it…
I definitely think many have even less media literacy and less critical thinking skills than prior generations, since conservatives have been doing everything possible to chip away at anything like that in public schools. Texas Republicans even had opposition to critical thinking in their platform…
As a Gen Z who has gone to great lengths to ensure I have the education needed to engage with these issues honestly, and who is surrounded by colleagues of a similar level of understanding in my state (California), I heavily dispute your statement.
That’s great, but that’s anecdotal. Please show me how education has improved in the areas of critical thinking and media literacy in the aggregate. I’d love to be wrong about this.
Its OK to dispute it, but you understand that you’re basically describing a filter bubble, right? You’re well educated and surround yourself with well educated people, but that’s not something that will describe the average person. Its a bit naive to assume that because you understand these topics and surround yourself with others of your ilk, your peers are doing the same.
Millennials had plenty of people who were well educated and could engage openly and honestly about hard topics. But they’re outnumbered by those that choose not to think too deeply. Just like Gen X, Boomers, etc. And unfortunately, without any evidence of the contrary, its a safe assumption that your generation will run along the same lines. I really hope I’m wrong. But as they say, hope in one hand…
Fuckin A brother. I grew up on the hopium of making changes and leave the world a better place but giant swathes of people would rather see it all burn just so they can show the other side they were right.
Me n mine are doing what we can to survive whatever the hell happens and just be happy in our little slice of heaven as independent as we can be.
When one side is hellbent on criminalizing your existence, why would you give a shit about trying to appease the other side and shake their hand lol.
But hey, if you got a place where people accept each other and are willing to work together for a better future, good for you. I’m just hoping I don’t get dragged away from my family, and to outlive those who try.
When one side is hellbent on criminalizing your existence
The bipartisan war on drugs is decades old.
You sound exactly like them eh.
You sound exactly like the type that would rather attack people than look for common ground or understanding. Peace.
If they don’t understand why, then their suffering will just embolden their anti Democrat beleifs though.
Imagine if the government was still shut down and we still didn’t have these subsidies.
Anyone who was surprised by this needs to retire from having political opinions of any kind, to say nothing of such people who actually hold any political power.
The former should develop humility and realize they are idiots.
The latter should be maimed, defrauded of their wealth, and then forced to endure their own system.
I’m sure Schumer’s brow is extra furrowed today.
Glasses just dangling off the tip of his nose.
I wouldn’t worry about Chuck S.'s glasses running out of nose length.
That’s awfully antisemenetic of you
me thinks it was about him being a liar tho.
I’m aware. I think you guys misread what I said though
dang i need better glasses
It’s OK. Stoned jokes are hit or miss and sobriety says this one was a miss
methinks the long. hooked nose is anti-Semitic stereotype.
pinocchio, yo. dude was a puppet from italy.
Why is this downvoted? Is Lemmy anti-Semitic now? Man, those “progressives” should really be proud of themselves.
I’m sure he’ll be having frantic conversations with the
split personalitiesalternate identitiesmental fabrications of the “median voter” he’s constructed in his head.That’s not really a joke, for nearly two decades now, he basically invented multiple, imagined “median voters” in his head, gave them complex backstories, frequently refers to them as if they are real, frequently cites “conversations” he has with them, in writing, to justify/explain his thinking process.
Hooray for the gerontocracy, long live decree by dementia!
Schumer didn’t vote to end the shut down.
Goddamn, misinformation is fucking rampant here. You guys don’t even remotely care about the truth, do you? You just want everything to confirm your biases.
If Schumer doesn’t want to be blamed for the Democrats caving then he shouldn’t be minority leader.
So the argument isn’t that he caved. The argument is that he doesn’t have total control over other Senators?
That’s stupid as fuck. He can’t control other Senators, you fucking dumbass. Senators are responsible to their constituency, not the informal party leader.
The fact that you guys NEVER list the eight Democrats that actually did vote to end it and ONLY put the blame on Schumer, despite that making no sense, is ridiculous. It’s plainly obvious that the truth does not matter to you. Schumer did exactly what you said you wanted him to do but now you’re crucifying him anyway because he’s the “evil establishment” Democrat. You picked sides LONG before this, you never had any intention of judging Schumer fairly.
Schumer negotiated the deal, scheduled the vote, and arranged for enough Senators not facing election in 2026 so he could vote against it.
Schumer negotiated the deal,
That is an absolute fucking lie. You should be ashamed of yourself, intentionally spreading misinformation like this, We get enough of that from the right.
Zero proof for any of your convenient assertions.
Yay, Senate Dems caved for absolutely fucking nothing!
Chuck Schumer is a piece of shit
Schumer didn’t cave.
please, there are two options here, neither is good for Schumer. Either, he’s ineffectual party leader (whether by not knowing or not having control)… OR he orchestrated it to maintain “plausible” deniability.
So you want a “party leader” to literally control all other politicians in their party? That’s representative democracy to you? What “control” is he supposed to have?
What a stupid fucking argument. He doesn’t have a goddamn mind control device and Senators are individuals that make their own decisions.
Just admit the truth. You criticize Schumer BY DEFAULT no matter what he does. That’s what this boils down to. He did exactly what you said you wanted him to do and now you’re moving the goalposts. You are literally incapable of admitting that he did something you agree with.
Yeah what a coincidence that all the representatives that broke the shutdown weren’t up for re-election next time. Very convenient! I’m sure there was zero coordination to decide who would break rank.
But even if there wasn’t any of that, Chuck still bears responsibility for the failure of the shutdown even if you don’t want to admit it.
Chuck led the shutdown. For better or for worse, it failed to accomplish its goal. Ultimately more responsibility falls on him as minority leader than anyone else. It’s not insane to want someone who coordinates a major gambit like a government shutdown to be capable of keeping the other representatives from breaking rank to accomplish the goal of the shutdown. Coordinating votes is literally a huge part of the job as majority or minority leader. It’s disingenuous to say expecting a party leader in the house to line up votes is contrary to representative democracy.
Just admit the truth, you’ll suck Chuck off no matter what he does. You’re literally incapable of not sucking his dick
He literally gave the republicans what they wanted in exchange for a vote that would make zero material difference in the lives of his constituents.
What the fuck are you talking about? NO HE DID NOT. He was NOT one of the Democrats who voted to end the shut down.
You know being progressive isn’t an excuse to be downright dishonest, right?
OK, if he didn’t approve of their votes, what has he done to punish the democrats who did? Nothing at all? Weird.
Ok do you’ve abandoned your original premise, proving you’re a lying sack of shit.
On the your next point, Schumer isn’t a fucking school principal dumbass, how is he going to “punish” them? What the fuck do you think a minority/majority leader does exactly?
Fake fucking progressives gloating about sinking Democrats and letting Trump run wild.
My premise is that he was responsible for the party he leads caving, hence why the ones who actually voted weren’t punished.
He can punish them be taking them off committee assignments. The most basic function of a political party is to be able to negotiate as a bloc.
The leader of the minority party is a piece of shit for…not convincing enough members of the majority maga party to vote against party lines ?
To these people, he’s a piece of shit no matter what. They’ve decided that “establishment” Democrats are even more of an enemy than Republicans. No matter what Schumer does, they will always criticize him for it.
Yeah apparently so. -7 downvotes (and counting) for me trying to figure out why they’re blaming the minority leader for this…I am so confused.
I’m not sure if this is maga on lemmy trying to make the dems look bad, or if it’s russian trolls pretending to be dem supporters sick of the establishment or something else but whatever it is, putin has definitely got what he paid for.
The way a lot of people act on here, I hope you’re right. Because it gives a VERY bad impression of the left. It feels much more “MAGA” than I’d like.
You’re right though, if I were a Russian troll, the “stupid liberal” would be the character I’d choose.
These are some of the most horrible people in our society. They should be unable to enter into any contract or have custody over any living being.
They should all be shot
Its a condition. Kids are being born everyday who lack empathy. They are a clear minority though. They should be identified and prevented from letting their emotional blindness harming others.
Welk, look at Ted Cruz the nost loathed politician in Texas… And keeps getting reelected. You’d think for just ONE electoral cycle folks would just vote Dem and be rid of the turd … but nope.
That is the problem. Most people are incapable of seeing these people for what they are. Rafael uses a proffered name. He wants to be called Ted but wants to deny that for others. Its pretty clear what kind of person he is but they keep voting for him.
So what happens now? Do those Democrat senators provide their own swords to fall on, or do they get beheaded? What’s the protocol here for senators who have failed as entirely as they have?
Please tell me again how these fucks the FUCKS YOU elected “represent us”… y’all need to stop watching the billionaire owned media and understand how fucked up this shit is and do better use your critical thinking skills (if you have ANY) which are lacking right now and it’s savage that y’all don’t even know it!!!
“Obama’s policies aren’t gonna kill us.” It’s 100% Trump because he’s willing to put America citizens at risk of his billionaire friends!!
I am done being a millennial trying to work my ass off while I am dealing with crisis after crisis after national crisis after crisis after crisis, we can only do so much in own generation and y’all keep blaming us for this shit! It’s savage!!!
Stop telling us healthcare cannot be a thing where we are paying billions for wars that we don’t even believe in!!!
Hey everyone, just buy TWO pencils for your kids. Having 37 pencils was obviously keeping you from being able to afford health care. THANKS, OBAMA!
Also, if you are not a billionaire or at least a centimillioniare, it is your fault! Too much avocado toast, having a daily latte, a large screen TV, a smart phone, and Netflix, I think.
Who will people blame when they cannot afford medical care?
Cause Luigi is a folk hero, and all the people responsible for this should live in fear of the bullseye’s they have painted themselves with.
Storm brewing.
Luigi is a conservative that promotes people and policies that prevent universal healthcare.
Him being a “folk hero” just proves how stupid people in this country can be.
Biden.
Youre right, democrats should have prosecuted trump.
So they kept their promise and held a vote? Amazing!
People with terminal illnesses and wounds are not bound by any law of this world. They are completely free to do anything their hearts desire with no regard to the consequences.
Hey republicans, when your grandparents die because they can no longer afford the healthcare they thought they had for life, just remember to thank yourself and your lard in savor…. These deaths that will follow from people losing their insurance will be on your hands whether you think so or not. Merry Grimas!!!
They don’t care, they are voting for racism. Ig grandma might die in order to keep a black man out of the whitehouse, then that’s a risk they are willing to take.
These people suck, and have no shame.
Hey that’s just the universe correcting itself. Less boomer voters means less republican voters.
With Gen Z turning Right Wing, it may not be enough
Yep. I’ve been seeing a lot of shit-stirring between generations probably mostly spurred on by the oligarchs and their apparatchiks.
I doubt that is an accident: keep everyone distracted. Have the boomers bitching about Gen Y. Have Gen Z whining about Silent Generation (“Biden so old”). Another wedge issue to fight over and distract with while the oligarchs funnel more money upwards. Just like they use race and trans, they’ll have young vs. old. Micro-generational differences (Gen Y1 vs. Gen Y2!) being agonized over. People seriously believing a teenager working in a dead-end service job giving you an exasperated stare is unique to Gen Z (lol) and other such inanities. Anything to have everyone take their eye off the ball…
Meanwhile, it seems the very people that are supposedly going to “save us” are getting rapidly red-pilled into crazy right wing extremism on the platforms.
Meanwhile, it seems the very people that are supposedly going to “save us” are getting rapidly red-pilled into crazy right wing extremism on the platforms.
If I went back to the 90’s and told people that Silicon Valley Tech Billionaires and Donald J. Trump controlled the nation, that they’d think the Democrats were in power.
LOL, if only. Also, remember, this is the boomers. The generation that the old fart cons that came before would point at and whine about when it came to all their rhetoric about “the 60s”.
There is lesson there. If only people might ponder on it…
Trump was literally responsible for covid shitshow in US, killing thousands.
The base stands for what he is: racist, misogynist, fraud, a felon, and a pedophile, not what he does.
What he does is irrelevant.
The AP article says the democrats “forced” a shutdown over the issue
Subtle but that’s how we know all media is fascist
healthcare should be free
They’re trying to exterminate us.
The end game of AI.
The 1% wants fully automated workers/military so they can finally solve their biggest problem. (Us)
