The Senate has rejected legislation to extend Affordable Care Act tax credits, essentially guaranteeing that millions of Americans will see a steep rise in costs at the beginning of the year.
Pretty sure that’s just a dishonest attempt to DARVO the people who acknowledge that republican voters don’t care about anything until it harms them directly.
Not just Republicans. Most voters are fixated on local and personal issues. National politicians typically have a free rein on foreign policy thanks to the significant disconnect between international affairs and voter household issues. To add to the problem, Presidents can’t be recalled. Judges serve for life. Senators hold office on six-year stretches. The only people who really face the wrath of a disgruntled populace on a regular basis are House Reps (and gerrymandering blunts that knife most election cycles).
If you really get under the hood of the GOP and ask what makes them tick, one thing that sticks out is the degree to which the fossil fuel industry’s presence in a district/state influences the number of Republican voters. Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are great textbook examples, with rises and falls in the profitability of petroleum products neatly tracking their success at electing conservative leaders.
One question you might want to ask, as a liberal who claims to love universal programs like health care and education and housing and public transportation, is why your own state leaders suck at it so much. California’s the 7th largest economy in the world. And they’ve got broad control over their Medicaid dollars, same as any other state. Why aren’t they doing Public Options or State Run Hospitals like their peers in Canada and the UK?
FFS, blood red Kentucky has a more leftwing health care system than anything in bright blue Washington State or New Jersey.
As someone who used to work at a pharmacy, Medi-Cal works because it’s allocated as part of the state budget along with Medicaid and they actually pay on time (with minimal 3rd party middlemen). Given the shit going on with Medicare Advantage now, that’s about the best you can hope for public coverage :)
Everyone deserves healthcare. This is like the “I’m calling ICE on my neighbors that I know have undocumented family members because one of them voted for Trump”. It’s just treating politics as a team sport for entertainment; and not actually caring about it because you want positive change for the world you live in.
I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
Always laughable to hear republicans call for ‘entitlement reform’, because the reform is always ‘fuck you, you don’t get this anymore’. Or they sell the service to a private company who gets to wring you for every cent, then tell you ‘fuck you, pre-existing condition, go die’.
Yes, clearly. They put these people in power. They happily voted for a guy who had a health care policy that amounted to “concepts of a plan” for like a decade now.
The people who didn’t vote for Republicans don’t deserve it. The children and dependents of Republicans don’t deserve it. The adult voting Republicans do deserve it. They did it to themselves, I have zero guilt nor sympathy for them specifically.
I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
I don’t. I can’t think of a single time from last election season where this was agreed upon as a bipartisan issue. Also, health insurance has never been lumped in with this. Your argument that both parties wanted to end ACA subsidies is absolutely asinine and totally divorced from reality. More lazy “both sides” nonsense usually originating from people who want to feel superior to everybody while also not having to do any work.
FFS, look at the Michael Bloomberg campaign. And he’s practically running the national party at this point.
They were the same guys voting for Romney in 2012, the man whose health plan was good enough for Obama to crib wholesale.
Yeah, and then you fucking dumbasses started calling it “communism” and yelling about “death panels”. Did you forget? If you’re proud of that achievement, why did you reject it entirely four years later?
You’re seriously trying to act like we stole what you think was a good idea after the way you acted? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. Are you seriously trying to pretend that Republicans support nationwide universal healthcare? No one can be that stupid.
I don’t understand what you think you’re supporting with the Biden link. Your assertion was Republicans somehow didn’t bring about the situation they currently face. Did you forget, you fucking dumbass?
You seriously just some random thing that in no one supports your argument. You’re to pretend you never made that argument to begin with. I don’t even know what to say, how the fuck does that dispute the text you put it under?
You said that he “runs the party” and your link his 13th? How fucking stupid can you be? How is being 13th give him unilateral control over the party?
Stop making ridiculous you can’t even remotely support, it’s just fucking sad.
you fucking dumbasses started calling it “communism”
Oh sure. That was half the joke of 2009. Insurance lobbyists going on TV and predicting America would become Venezuela for getting subsidized private coverage.
And Democrats were happy to play along. Lieberman filibustered the Public Option from within his own party because the TV news made the bill so unpopular
I don’t. It’s going to hurt the red states more. Even in the areas that aren’t red, more people went so far to the left they chose to support Trump or sit out the vote which helped secure his house and senate wins.
People are finally waking up to realize that elections have consequences and the latest elections are showing it.
Eh, at this point I’d be happy just to see a lot more graves with a red baseball cap hanging off them and an epitaph inscribed saying “I didn’t vote for this”.
They had, what, almost a decade to read the writing on the wall? Maybe two if you want to go all the way back to Bush (or four for Reagan)? I used to try to link resources for education when discussing with these people, explain the consequences of our own and others’ actions, and where have we ended up now anyway?
Fuck 'em. The more of them that die, the less problems my generation and my family and friends have to worry about in the future, and hey, maybe I can nab a cheap house at their bankruptcy auction.
Then the clear solution is that there should have been grassroot organizations that took charge and emphasized the importance of an educated citizenry…
Oh wait, there were. The response was that they banned books and criminalized areas of study (Critical Race Theory) that would give the citizenry the ability to reflect on history and their abuses. All of this occurred within the last 13 years, by the way.
Brain drain has already taken effect from those who took the emigration route out of their state to a place that valued them. If those of sound mind need to escape but are unable to afford, let I be the first one to donate to their plane or train ticket. As for the rest of the state, let it fail. Let it self destruct. Allow the Kansas Experiment to repeat until nothing is left but the hollow shells of buildings.
Exactly. These people are probably producing lots and lots of mini-mes. Cons may rebrand out of being “maga” into something else, just like they tried to make “tea party” a thing, but it is the same old shit in a different box - the oligarchs will whip up division - the old favorite is of course along racial lines, but lately, there has been a big helping of anti-trans rhetoric, and also a huge addition of inter-generational conflict, and I see lots of the so-called “left” buying into that, and… holy shit is that stupid. But I digress. Anyway, the oligarchs whip up this division, get a lot of idiots voting for Republicans so they can “hurt the right people” or lots of tankie type morons sitting out or lodging protest votes for the unelectable because “gerontocracy” or whatever the fuck, and then, of course, get lots of policies that funnel more money and power upwards…
People keep thinking the younger generations will save us and I want to believe it, but just don’t see the evidence. If anything, I see them getting sucked into a vortex of red-pill bullshit on the various platforms at very impressionable ages and with very little life experience or wisdom to counter it. At least when boomers or gen-xers or older Gen Y were/are getting exposed to things like this as well as Faux, they had experience prior to encountering it…
I definitely think many have even less media literacy and less critical thinking skills than prior generations, since conservatives have been doing everything possible to chip away at anything like that in public schools. Texas Republicans even had opposition to critical thinking in their platform…
As a Gen Z who has gone to great lengths to ensure I have the education needed to engage with these issues honestly, and who is surrounded by colleagues of a similar level of understanding in my state (California), I heavily dispute your statement.
Its OK to dispute it, but you understand that you’re basically describing a filter bubble, right? You’re well educated and surround yourself with well educated people, but that’s not something that will describe the average person. Its a bit naive to assume that because you understand these topics and surround yourself with others of your ilk, your peers are doing the same.
Millennials had plenty of people who were well educated and could engage openly and honestly about hard topics. But they’re outnumbered by those that choose not to think too deeply. Just like Gen X, Boomers, etc. And unfortunately, without any evidence of the contrary, its a safe assumption that your generation will run along the same lines. I really hope I’m wrong. But as they say, hope in one hand…
That’s great, but that’s anecdotal. Please show me how education has improved in the areas of critical thinking and media literacy in the aggregate. I’d love to be wrong about this.
I probably would be unable to present anything substantial due to the lack of data available under both Trump administration’s Department of Education, and the lack of relevant census data.
The point I’m trying to make is describing us as a monolith of AI slop consumers and social media addicts doesn’t make your calls for change any more heard, nor is an accurate portrayal for how we think for ourselves.
Fuckin A brother. I grew up on the hopium of making changes and leave the world a better place but giant swathes of people would rather see it all burn just so they can show the other side they were right.
Me n mine are doing what we can to survive whatever the hell happens and just be happy in our little slice of heaven as independent as we can be.
When one side is hellbent on criminalizing your existence, why would you give a shit about trying to appease the other side and shake their hand lol.
But hey, if you got a place where people accept each other and are willing to work together for a better future, good for you. I’m just hoping I don’t get dragged away from my family, and to outlive those who try.
Anyone who was surprised by this needs to retire from having political opinions of any kind, to say nothing of such people who actually hold any political power.
The former should develop humility and realize they are idiots.
The latter should be maimed, defrauded of their wealth, and then forced to endure their own system.
And there it is. The promised ‘vote on subsidies in december’ that the 6 dems cancelled the shutdown for. We all new what the outcome would be.
I feel for all those whose insurance premium is about to become unaffordable
Idk. I’ve been told a bunch of them are Republicans and therefore they deserve to suffer.
Pretty sure that’s just a dishonest attempt to DARVO the people who acknowledge that republican voters don’t care about anything until it harms them directly.
Not just Republicans. Most voters are fixated on local and personal issues. National politicians typically have a free rein on foreign policy thanks to the significant disconnect between international affairs and voter household issues. To add to the problem, Presidents can’t be recalled. Judges serve for life. Senators hold office on six-year stretches. The only people who really face the wrath of a disgruntled populace on a regular basis are House Reps (and gerrymandering blunts that knife most election cycles).
If you really get under the hood of the GOP and ask what makes them tick, one thing that sticks out is the degree to which the fossil fuel industry’s presence in a district/state influences the number of Republican voters. Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are great textbook examples, with rises and falls in the profitability of petroleum products neatly tracking their success at electing conservative leaders.
One question you might want to ask, as a liberal who claims to love universal programs like health care and education and housing and public transportation, is why your own state leaders suck at it so much. California’s the 7th largest economy in the world. And they’ve got broad control over their Medicaid dollars, same as any other state. Why aren’t they doing Public Options or State Run Hospitals like their peers in Canada and the UK?
FFS, blood red Kentucky has a more leftwing health care system than anything in bright blue Washington State or New Jersey.
California has MediCal. It’s a weird system, but it works better than KY. I know I moved here from KY in 2016.
As someone who used to work at a pharmacy, Medi-Cal works because it’s allocated as part of the state budget along with Medicaid and they actually pay on time (with minimal 3rd party middlemen). Given the shit going on with Medicare Advantage now, that’s about the best you can hope for public coverage :)
Hoping this is sarcasm mocking this kind of take.
Everyone deserves healthcare. This is like the “I’m calling ICE on my neighbors that I know have undocumented family members because one of them voted for Trump”. It’s just treating politics as a team sport for entertainment; and not actually caring about it because you want positive change for the world you live in.
I’m sure liberal has done this IRL. The desire to punish brown people for voting incorrectly is strongly bipartisan.
If they brought it about then yes, they do.
Did they bring it about? I seem to recall “Entitlement Reform” as bipartisan issue.
FFS, look at the Michael Bloomberg campaign. And he’s practically running the national party at this point.
Did they vote for the clowns running this circus?
Always laughable to hear republicans call for ‘entitlement reform’, because the reform is always ‘fuck you, you don’t get this anymore’. Or they sell the service to a private company who gets to wring you for every cent, then tell you ‘fuck you, pre-existing condition, go die’.
Giving every die hard Ted Cruz supporter a free pass
Yes, clearly. They put these people in power. They happily voted for a guy who had a health care policy that amounted to “concepts of a plan” for like a decade now.
The people who didn’t vote for Republicans don’t deserve it. The children and dependents of Republicans don’t deserve it. The adult voting Republicans do deserve it. They did it to themselves, I have zero guilt nor sympathy for them specifically.
I don’t. I can’t think of a single time from last election season where this was agreed upon as a bipartisan issue. Also, health insurance has never been lumped in with this. Your argument that both parties wanted to end ACA subsidies is absolutely asinine and totally divorced from reality. More lazy “both sides” nonsense usually originating from people who want to feel superior to everybody while also not having to do any work.
What Bloomberg campaign?
They were the same guys voting for Romney in 2012, the man whose health plan was good enough for Obama to crib wholesale.
Joe Biden Has Advocated Cutting Social Security for 40 Years
He’s the thirteenth most prolific campaign financier in 2024
Yeah, and then you fucking dumbasses started calling it “communism” and yelling about “death panels”. Did you forget? If you’re proud of that achievement, why did you reject it entirely four years later?
You’re seriously trying to act like we stole what you think was a good idea after the way you acted? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. Are you seriously trying to pretend that Republicans support nationwide universal healthcare? No one can be that stupid.
I don’t understand what you think you’re supporting with the Biden link. Your assertion was Republicans somehow didn’t bring about the situation they currently face. Did you forget, you fucking dumbass?
You seriously just some random thing that in no one supports your argument. You’re to pretend you never made that argument to begin with. I don’t even know what to say, how the fuck does that dispute the text you put it under?
You said that he “runs the party” and your link his 13th? How fucking stupid can you be? How is being 13th give him unilateral control over the party?
Stop making ridiculous you can’t even remotely support, it’s just fucking sad.
Oh sure. That was half the joke of 2009. Insurance lobbyists going on TV and predicting America would become Venezuela for getting subsidized private coverage.
And Democrats were happy to play along. Lieberman filibustered the Public Option from within his own party because the TV news made the bill so unpopular
I don’t. It’s going to hurt the red states more. Even in the areas that aren’t red, more people went so far to the left they chose to support Trump or sit out the vote which helped secure his house and senate wins.
People are finally waking up to realize that elections have consequences and the latest elections are showing it.
Until it hurts someone you do like. My dude, that is the exact republican mentality we need to overcome eh?
Eh, at this point I’d be happy just to see a lot more graves with a red baseball cap hanging off them and an epitaph inscribed saying “I didn’t vote for this”.
They had, what, almost a decade to read the writing on the wall? Maybe two if you want to go all the way back to Bush (or four for Reagan)? I used to try to link resources for education when discussing with these people, explain the consequences of our own and others’ actions, and where have we ended up now anyway?
Fuck 'em. The more of them that die, the less problems my generation and my family and friends have to worry about in the future, and hey, maybe I can nab a cheap house at their bankruptcy auction.
MAGA ignorance is the result of the oligarchs war on the working class via destroying public education among a litany of other things.
Nothing about magas dying will prevent the cycle repeating.
Then the clear solution is that there should have been grassroot organizations that took charge and emphasized the importance of an educated citizenry…
Oh wait, there were. The response was that they banned books and criminalized areas of study (Critical Race Theory) that would give the citizenry the ability to reflect on history and their abuses. All of this occurred within the last 13 years, by the way.
Brain drain has already taken effect from those who took the emigration route out of their state to a place that valued them. If those of sound mind need to escape but are unable to afford, let I be the first one to donate to their plane or train ticket. As for the rest of the state, let it fail. Let it self destruct. Allow the Kansas Experiment to repeat until nothing is left but the hollow shells of buildings.
Exactly. These people are probably producing lots and lots of mini-mes. Cons may rebrand out of being “maga” into something else, just like they tried to make “tea party” a thing, but it is the same old shit in a different box - the oligarchs will whip up division - the old favorite is of course along racial lines, but lately, there has been a big helping of anti-trans rhetoric, and also a huge addition of inter-generational conflict, and I see lots of the so-called “left” buying into that, and… holy shit is that stupid. But I digress. Anyway, the oligarchs whip up this division, get a lot of idiots voting for Republicans so they can “hurt the right people” or lots of tankie type morons sitting out or lodging protest votes for the unelectable because “gerontocracy” or whatever the fuck, and then, of course, get lots of policies that funnel more money and power upwards…
People keep thinking the younger generations will save us and I want to believe it, but just don’t see the evidence. If anything, I see them getting sucked into a vortex of red-pill bullshit on the various platforms at very impressionable ages and with very little life experience or wisdom to counter it. At least when boomers or gen-xers or older Gen Y were/are getting exposed to things like this as well as Faux, they had experience prior to encountering it…
I definitely think many have even less media literacy and less critical thinking skills than prior generations, since conservatives have been doing everything possible to chip away at anything like that in public schools. Texas Republicans even had opposition to critical thinking in their platform…
As a Gen Z who has gone to great lengths to ensure I have the education needed to engage with these issues honestly, and who is surrounded by colleagues of a similar level of understanding in my state (California), I heavily dispute your statement.
Its OK to dispute it, but you understand that you’re basically describing a filter bubble, right? You’re well educated and surround yourself with well educated people, but that’s not something that will describe the average person. Its a bit naive to assume that because you understand these topics and surround yourself with others of your ilk, your peers are doing the same.
Millennials had plenty of people who were well educated and could engage openly and honestly about hard topics. But they’re outnumbered by those that choose not to think too deeply. Just like Gen X, Boomers, etc. And unfortunately, without any evidence of the contrary, its a safe assumption that your generation will run along the same lines. I really hope I’m wrong. But as they say, hope in one hand…
That’s great, but that’s anecdotal. Please show me how education has improved in the areas of critical thinking and media literacy in the aggregate. I’d love to be wrong about this.
I probably would be unable to present anything substantial due to the lack of data available under both Trump administration’s Department of Education, and the lack of relevant census data.
The point I’m trying to make is describing us as a monolith of AI slop consumers and social media addicts doesn’t make your calls for change any more heard, nor is an accurate portrayal for how we think for ourselves.
Fuckin A brother. I grew up on the hopium of making changes and leave the world a better place but giant swathes of people would rather see it all burn just so they can show the other side they were right.
Me n mine are doing what we can to survive whatever the hell happens and just be happy in our little slice of heaven as independent as we can be.
When one side is hellbent on criminalizing your existence, why would you give a shit about trying to appease the other side and shake their hand lol.
But hey, if you got a place where people accept each other and are willing to work together for a better future, good for you. I’m just hoping I don’t get dragged away from my family, and to outlive those who try.
The bipartisan war on drugs is decades old.
You sound exactly like them eh.
You sound exactly like the type that would rather attack people than look for common ground or understanding. Peace.
If they don’t understand why, then their suffering will just embolden their anti Democrat beleifs though.
Imagine if the government was still shut down and we still didn’t have these subsidies.
Anyone who was surprised by this needs to retire from having political opinions of any kind, to say nothing of such people who actually hold any political power.
The former should develop humility and realize they are idiots.
The latter should be maimed, defrauded of their wealth, and then forced to endure their own system.