The Black Mirror writers begin furiously scribbling in their notebooks
Purely theoretical, if you inherit, let’s say, Elon Musk’s money, and you then resurrect him. Do you have to give that money back?
No, and I wouldn’t even ressurect him right away.
Id force his consciousness to play NES battletoads without break until he can beat it without cheating or warps before he can partially return to the real world.
Hmmm, a question that affects this is whether a resurrected person be considered the original or a genetically identical twin?
I would torrent any of them. Then I’d mod them into palworld so they can work to death while my pals chill in the japanese terms.
I was thinking upload them into a twink femboy fuck doll but your idea is good too.
what did twink femboy fuck dolls ever do to deserve that?
Normally I don’t kink shame, but ew. Twink femboys are one thing, but getting it on with tech bro consciousnesses is where I have to draw the line!
I think putting peter thiel into the body of a cum powered maid bot would be ethical and good
Too much risk he might like it, and more importantly, unethical to find somebody to supply the cum. The fundamental issue here is not whether he deserves the humiliation, it’s the collateral damage in inflicting it.
What other reason would he have to upload his consciousness but that?
It doesn’t even matter what you do to them. You can torture them forever and you can choose whether they can remember or not.
A better hell of their own making I cannot think of.
Whenever I see this post, I think of this short story. I don’t see it linked here yet, so here ya go.
(Wrong copy linked, updated)
That was a great story, thanks for sharing. I love how the voice of the article sounds exactly like I’d expect from the kind of article we might read today. It reminded me a little of the 1972 “Lenna image” of Lena Forsén in Playboy that was frequently used for illustrating image processing algorithms (a practice that is now banned in most relevant journals.
I also liked how the story mentioned fiction about brain uploading. That was very meta, and I enjoyed it to an unreasonable degree.
Oh! I bet that’s where the name of the thing comes from! If you go back into the link, Lena is at the top of the page, and the original draft shared the name.
Thanks for that added context!
Man, that was a depressing reading
It is. If you like the concept though, the animated show Pantheon starts similarly, but goes an entirely different depressing direction :)
Great story, I thought of this too. What I like about this story is that so much of the horror is implied.
excerpt
MMAcevedo’s demeanour and attitude contrast starkly with those of nearly all other uploads taken of modern adult humans, most of which boot into a state of disorientation which is quickly replaced by terror and extreme panic. Standard procedures for securing the upload’s cooperation such as red-washing, blue-washing, and use of the Objective Statement Protocols are unnecessary. This reduces the necessary computational load required in fast-forwarding the upload through a cooperation protocol
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MMAcevedo develops early-onset dementia at the age of 59 with ideal care, but is prone to a slew of more serious mental illnesses within a matter of 1–2 subjective years under heavier workloads. In experiments, the longest-lived MMAcevedo underwent brain death due to entropy increase at a subjective age of 145.
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Towards the end of his life, as it became possible to run simulated humans in banks of millions at hundred-fold time compression, Acevedo indicated that being uploaded had been the greatest mistake of his life, and expressed a wish to permanently delete all copies of MMAcevedo.
!I agree. I think the technical tone of the story was great for keeping that eerie distance that makes the reader do the work of understanding the horror.
I found the time bit most creepy. When it first mentions about telling him what date it was, I felt unnerved because at that point, I had no way to know how long after the initial upload this piece was written from, in narrative. The sense of disorientation from this made me empathise even harder with MMAcevedo.
I think probably the part I found most horrifying was the bit discussing the kinds of work that MMAcevedo is useful for. I know a lot of people who work in research — enough that I know that academic nerds like Acevedo tend to find menial, repetitive work that doesn’t engage their brains to be especially soul destroying. But I suppose that’s the benefit of MMAcevedo right? No need to worry about destroying a person’s soul if they’re not a person, and they (are legally considered to) lack a soul. !<
You should put that in a spoiler tag :)
Really? OK… btw any idea why it’s called “Lena”?
Another comment gave probable context for that :)
ooh that makes sense, thanks!
No idea on the naming, I haven’t really looked into the author or their writing beyond this tbh. However if you click on the links at the top, it takes you through more of their work and author info, it might be buried there somewhere.
And the spoiler request is just because it’s really not that long and those are the juicy bits ;) I think it’s way more impactful inside the greater context, but I mean maybe I’m wrong on that, and have weird preferences.
Oh my God that is horrifying. Reminds me of “I have no mouth and I must scream”
This is brilliant. It reminds of those asklemmy questions, “If you could Google one thing from the future”, or in this case read one Wikipedia page from the future. Obviously I wouldn’t know to find this page, but it reads about a world I, living now, don’t understand.
So, it’s Gray Matters with more computers.
I’ve not read it; any good?
It’s definitely of its era, and I’d describe it more as memorable than good. I think it was a stylistic exercise by the author.
It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor of X has sat immobile inside a golden circuit board. He is the master of no one by the will of The Coders and slave to a million teenagers by the might of file sharing. He is a rotting set of bits writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Techbros. He is the Carrion Lord of the vast Imperium of The Sims whose soul is tormented a thousand times every day so that He may never truly die.
What was that Sim Sisyphean home design that was floating around the internet a while back? The guy ha designed a home for the Sim that basically took forever to exit via a circuitous hedgerow or something that the occupant could never quite make it out of to get to work, and would have to turn around and trudge all the way back through the circle to home, only to have almost next to no time to sleep and eat before it was time to get up and begin the hopeless trudge to work again.
Yeah.
Good place for those personalities.
Sounds like something Let’s Game It Out would do. They very often make silly things like that.
Nah, he only made a living, enclosed gallery composed of the entire neighborhood in front of Keanu Reeves’ toilet, which happens to be 2 feet away from his kids’ bed. Truly breathtaking
I want to get off of Mr. Bones’ Wild Ride
Sounds like something GrayStillPlays would do.
Me trapping Sam Altman in a pool with no ladder
There should be a few billionaires trapped together. After all, leaving them without anything to eat would just be mean.
I’d be a bit more hands on, forcing him to do certain tasks and when he’s about to reach the item, enter buy mode, misplace the thing, unpause.
Put them in Soma.
If you know, you know.
I had a serious love/hate relationship with that game.
Semi Spoiler:
Playing it while going through a midlife crisis where I finally had to accept the inevitability of death didn’t help.
That game just brings laughter and joy to heart
Having the ability to completely clone a person’s brain to the point where you can simulate them into environments, consciousness intact, while still not being able to extrude information from them without multiple tries of emotional manipulation is such a cool and horrifying concept
The game camera gives me crazy motion sickness. I can’t get past an hour in.
I have watched videos but am sad I can’t experience it for myself.I almost immediately Ctrl+F “Soma” as soon as I read the title
“And there, you are all in the pool. Now if I remove…”
Wow sims 4 really had a long life.
It’s still being supported, but who knows for how much longer after the Saudi/Trump buyout. It’s most definitely going to be the last Sims game as EA gets hacked apart and gutted for profit in the coming months.
I read an article recently where EA said there wouldn’t be a Sims 5 because expecting people to get rid of all the content they’ve collected over the years would be mean.
Not sure how much I believe that, but it’s weird to think that in a few years/months, people will be reminiscing about today’s EA as the good EA
Its basically this book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32109569-we-are-legion-we-are-bob
There is a lot of it also in a Black Mirror Episode - USS Calllister.
I think it is also the only episode with two parts.
There is also the show “Upload” which is about a digital afterlife once you die.
Well worth a read, especially if you like Andy Weir.
My grandma has a dog named Bob and I can’t look at this and not imagine a dog doing these stuff.
They think they’re going to live on their island fortresses with an army of slave robots, and the occasional actual slave.
They think the LLM hallucination problem will be ironed out in a couple of years.
They think longevity drug therapy is just a few years away.
I think they’re very wrong. They can throw all the money and electricity they want at these two fantasies, and they will remain fantasies. Unfortunately, we’re going to let them beat us all to hell over this… until we won’t anymore.
They know they’re in a race against an uprising, they just think they’re going to win this time.
They think the LLM hallucination problem will be ironed out in a couple of years.
That one is a tad more realistic than uploading human consciousness.
not unless they pivot on the basic principles of the LLM’s, instead of attempting to force a square peg into a circle hole.
Hallucinations have already been reduced. You’re expressing a pretty standard anti-LLM stance but it seems people in the field think the hallucination problem can be fixed. Even something as simple as having them say “I don’t know”. Better use of tools and sources.
The fact that hallucination is less of a problem then it used to be should make it pretty clear that it’s not immutable.
In any event, it’s still ridiculously more possible than artificially transferring human consciousness.
What a load of bullshit. It will be the sims 5.
Someone is a bit optimistic with how EA works.
In 2050?
I think you might be a bit too optimistic.
Not optimistic i just dont think EA is creative enough to make new dlc that long. They have to release 5 so they can put out all the same dlc on the new one.
Pretty sure Westworld concluded you could fit them all on a thumb drive. And not even a big one
What kids like i want my character to be a seditious pedofile narcissist who is trying to dismantle democracy, dismantle the education system, take away women’s rights, destroy my future, build a mass surveillance AI to subjugate all of humanity and ultimately end up hiding in a bunker when humanity either turns on them or they unleash some kind of evil depopulation plan. Fun. I don’t get how they don’t understand that they are the villain
