Despite his “no” vote, the Senate deal to reopen the government bears Schumer’s fingerprints
Either Schumer no longer has effective control over own his caucus, or he has permitted the deal to progress with a wink and a nod behind the scenes — and with a strident disavowal for the bank of cameras he famously loves — while taking Democratic voters for fools.
Democrats are honestly a bunch of fucking pussies at this point.
There’s a literal fascist authoritarian wannabe in charge and where’s the resistance? Christ, MTG is being more critical of Trump than they are.
Resistance should be grassroots organized, please don’t rely on the Democrats (or any political party) for that.
Why not both?
We’re organizing locally, and won the last set of elections. But that doesn’t mean we can’t still expect resistance on the national level when there was an overwhelming victory in the last slate of elections.
Organize at the grassroots level to retake the Democratic party. People sorely underestimate the work and time involved in raising a new party from scratch. We already have an apparatus and, for about half of voters, a recognizable and somewhat trustworthy brand, although tarnished these last couple decades. Kick Schumer out. Alienate all the establishment assholes. Brutally reject the cowards and the bribetakers. Let the sun shine in so the healing can begin.
It’s not cowardice, its calculated evil.
Democrats are controlled opposition, or they act exactly as controlled opposition would act.
We need to start judging them based on their actions and get rid of them at every chance possible.
“At this point” implies there were not pussies at some point. The Democrats have always been cowards.
People keep forgetting it’s not left v right, it’s rich v poor. Democrat leaders are just playing their part.
People always talked about age limits for elected office, I think the same holds true for wealth. You / your family worth $$$M/B no more government service for you. It will never happen, nice to dream I guess.
It is left vs right. To left is to be anti rich. To be right is to be pro rich.
Exactly. The American 2-party system is between right and alt-right.
It’s almost as if Democrats have been controlled opposition funded by the same people trump plays golf with.
I n hope trump actually goes through with putting these animals in concentration camps and they get fucking left there. Pig fucki g shit bags.
Two points:
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No one was calling for Chuck to go when he approved the previous budget without a fight. This is not because he folded but because he dared to fight. He will be replaced with someone who will never try to fight Trump
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The 8 Democrats that voted for this are not some traitors to the party. Republicans needed 8 votes so Dems gave them 8 votes. If they needed 20 votes they would find 20 Dems to vote with them. They chose the ones that are ready to retire or have no chances at re-election but if needed they would just go down the list and find more people. If you think Dems have a problem with 8 members you’re delusional. Both parties have the same owners and the same goals. Don’t get fooled by the theater.
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Get rid of his weak Nazi appeasing ass…40 days for nothing
It’s so fricking infuriating because, literally we were actually seeing the cracks form. Trump admin is violating the hatch act, pushing “dem’s have shut down the government”, and yet poll after poll shows the american people put the blame on the republicans. Trump was constantly boo’d to his face at the commanders game… and the democrats had an amazing election where they won every contest they were in. I can’t fathom a worse time to fold
the democrats had an amazing election where they won every contest they were in. I can’t fathom a worse time to fold
That’s your answer right there: the moment the election was over, they went back to screwing over the voters on behalf of their owner donors.
If the election had been a week from now, they’d have caved by Thanksgiving at the latest.
They saw Zohran win and decided the people had had enough fun, but it’s time to put us back into our place before we get an ideas about making America better for the common person
Yup big daddy airplane was starting to get worried about thanksgiving.
I can’t fathom a worse time to fold
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His whip voted yes. Either he can’t even control his whip, or he orchestrated it.
He absolutely orchestrated it, the reason he is the minority leader in senate is because he has the connections and political capital to influence or even order the votes of his party. I am only somewhat curious if they knew he was going to back out and vote no to try to wash his hands of his own capitulation. It’s wild because it signals he still thinks he has a future.
Schumer represents a weird kind of old-school political capital. Whereas Trump’s power comes from a literal horde of orcs carrying weapons and flags, arguably an even older kind of power to wield, Schumer carries the Elder Conclave of Ancient Liberal Liches who delight in social parties and ritual and systems. If you’ve ever listened to the old-guard dems talking among each other it sounds like a Victorian-era socialite gathering, like aliens from another dimension. While wildly out-of-touch, the reason he has power is because this kind of thing appeals to older institutional bankers, elder community leaders, and people with old money.
Old money is the reason he still stands as the “head” of the Democratic party and I am actually unsure if efforts to unseat him will be successful for the same reasons that Trump and his warband face no consequences because their own political capital. Nobody wants to challenge the base. If you go against Trump you get people breaking into your house and shooting you, if you go against Schumer, you lose your 7-figure retirement and your vacation house on the beach. For many people with a lot to lose, either of these outcomes is equally terrifying.
Yep. And either way, he has to go.
The entire DNC needs to go
It’s just a structurally bad system. Disband parties, change the voting system to one that doesn’t create a “vote against the other thing” dynamic (I like STAR voting) and fix campaign finance once and for all - the solutions exist but the ones in control would never allow them.
The blame was on the Republicans until Schumer decided to be a Nazi
Every single elected democrat should be primaried from the left in 2028, full stop.
The leftists candidates are no longer the spoilers. The Democrats are spoiling it for leftists. The center is just gone.
“Every single” is the kind of lazy shit that gets us into this mess. It’s going to take more thought than that.
8 democrats are not the entire party. The party is made up of individuals.
- Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia
- Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois
- Senator Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire
- Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania
- Senator Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire
- Senator Angus King of Maine
- Senator Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada
- Senator Jacky Rosen of Nevada
You know Schumer was directing them, right?
Don’t care.
I think he’s saying add him to the list for directing it, not let the eight off the hook because they didn’t act independently.
What a stupid thing to say. Bernie? AOC?
you could have at least bothered to name two Democrats if you’re trying for an example.
I’m sure he’ll write a strong letter
Huh, I wonder which Democratic member of the House or Senate said that
For Roginsky, a self-described establishment Democrat
Who?
Julie Roginsky, a longtime Democratic strategist, television commentator and author of the Salty Politics online newsletter.
Again, I agree Schumer should be replaced, but not in a heated coup that shakes up the Epstein investigation just in time for House Democrats to finally have enough votes to release the files.
I find it so very, very odd, that other than Ro Kahnna, there seem to be no House or Senate Democrats jumping on this bandwagon (including the actual progressives members who aren’t owned by Peter Thiel).
Chuck Schumer should run as Gavin Newsom’s vice president.
That would be a good choice - schumer is the only dem who could make newsom look principled by comparison.
This is Fetterman erasure.
They can send the checks to one address that way. streamLINING.
hahaha yesss
Does anyone know the strategy or play for doing this? I mean, this seams super weak on the surface. I do know that the timing or the next negotiations would be advantageous, but geesh, that the best they got?
Elections are over. That was the stop gap. Now they have to reopen so people can get paid to go shopping for holiday season.
This is a really good question and ive not heard a good answer.
Even schumer’s stooges didn’t really seem to know why they were doing it. ‘It was the only deal’ or ‘it had gone on too long’ are both non-answers.
There isn’t really a good answer. They had the leverage (finally) and could have compelled something useful.
They get off on losing. I suspect some of them are beating off right now–the human suffering they have enabled must be intoxicating.
Chuck the Chuck.
Chuck Schumer voted against the capitulation. Blame the Senators who voted for it.
Put aside your axe to grind with Schumer and make statements that reflect reality.
Ain’t no fucking way Chuck Schumer isn’t responsible for this. That motherfucker has been doing shit like this for a while. But, let’s be fair and say, for some fucking reason, that Schumer had nothing to do with this. Then he has absolutely no control over his party, and he should go.
Like, either he sucks at his job and needs to go or he coordinated this and needs to go. And I no longer think he is bad at his job. Out of touch? Yes. A fucking dipshit? Yes. But bad at his job? No. I am not stupid enough to believe that for one second.
Which means we need to replace every Dem senator with progressives. Every senator should be followed everywhere by homeless people in their state. They should be seated next to starving families in restaurants. They should be forced to share medical treatments with the people whose healthcare they just sacrificed.
Ain’t no fucking way Chuck Schumer isn’t responsible for this. That motherfucker has been doing shit like this for a while. But, let’s be fair and say, for some fucking reason, that Schumer had nothing to do with this. Then he has absolutely no control over his party, and he should go.
Is that a joke? Senators are independent human beings, Schumer doesn’t have a mind control device.
He did EXACTLY what you all said you wanted him to do. Now, the goalposts have been shifted so you can continue to grind that axe. It’s bad faith.
Like, either he sucks at his job and needs to go or he coordinated this and needs to go. And I no longer think he is bad at his job. Out of touch? Yes. A fucking dipshit? Yes. But bad at his job? No. I am not stupid enough to believe that for one second.
Do you have any actual PROOF that Schumer engineered the capitulation? Your personal opinions on the matter aren’t really what’s under discussion here. Just vague and unsubstantiated accusations, pretty Trumpian if you ask me.
Which means we need to replace every Dem senator with progressives.
Keep living in a fucking dream world. Any honest person knows that that is an impossibility. You’re going to hold out for something that can’t happen and in the meantime, Republicans will continue to control the country. It is BEYOND fucking stupid.
Why do we need to replace all the moderate Democrats that did EXACTLY what you said you wanted them to do?
Ain’t no fucking way you’re not a troll.
Why do we need to replace all the moderate Democrats that did EXACTLY what you said you wanted them to do?
Because they didn’t do what I wanted them to do. Obviously. Did you not read?
Do you have any actual PROOF that Schumer engineered the capitulation? Your personal opinions on the matter aren’t really what’s under discussion here. Just vague and unsubstantiated accusations, pretty Trumpian if you ask me.
Like, either he sucks at his job and needs to go or he coordinated this and needs to go.
Idk, man, it’s literally right there.
You should try harder?
The deal was the Republicans got their eight votes from senators that aren’t up for election soon.
It always goes something like that. It’s never 30-40 senators or house members from the opposing side that vote for something when a deal is reached. It’s always just enough, with the votes coming from the ones most able to take the hit due to not being up for election next time, in a safe seat, very high popularity, etc.
Even when the minority leader admits to being part of the deal, they aren’t necessarily part of the group voting for it.
The deal was the Republicans got their eight votes from senators that aren’t up for election soon.
And the proof that Schumer engineered it? Does he control every member of the party or not?
That’s a lot of convenient assumptions that prevent you from having to examine your preconceived notions.
Chuck is that you?
No, it’s not Chuck Schumer. Good argument, champ. You should be proud of yourself.
