• Inucune@lemmy.world
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    What a bunch of welfare queens. They should have planted crops people want to buy.

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    To be fair, killing farming in the USA wasn’t a difficult task. Most countries importing any American food products have had major restrictions on them for years due to safety and hygiene concerns. The EU, for instance, pretty much only imported some soy and grain, because anything else doesn’t meet our quality standards. There only had to be a single minor inconvenience here to end the imports from the USA.

    And in all honesty - wonderful news for Europeans. I don’t think any of us will miss American products. Personally I’ll happily pay a tiny bit more for soy from Brazil or China.

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      Corn and soy are about the only agricultural products that aren’t extremely scarce this year…

      Guess what the US exports instead of buying from Brasil? Nature wants them to fail too.

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            Yeah, but I doubt, that the benefits the taxes bring outweigh the damage the farming does to the civilians and the local ecosystem

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                I am not from south America, but had the luck of being able to listen to a lecture of a professor from brasil and he talked about how farming works in brasil and what consequences it has. I am not sure how much stuff you can find in English, but his name is Antonio Androlio.

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                  Im actually brasillian haha and financially those taxes do help, had to study that a lot for the university entrance exams here. Would it help more if was another industry? Yes, big farmers hardly spread their profits to other areas. Does it suck for the enviroment? Yes, I wish we would move to other ways to make money. But its still helpful, we don’t really export much else besides that and iron ore.

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      I just wish I could find soy milk in the supermarket. I hate that we don’t prioritize our internal market first.

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        As a brasillian its the exact same thing here sadly. With tariffs our meat exports got crippled badly so I expected to have a lot of high quality cheap meat at the market but… Yup, the producers prefer not to lose their product than to sell domestically and bring down the prices, fuck those guys

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    When this shitshow is over It would be nice if we could reconstruct our farming practices to focus more small local and sustainable farming instead of corporate conglomerates that damage our environment and wipe out biodiversity.

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    Dear US Farmers, You wanted America First… Enjoy being America Alone. Have the day you voted for.

    kind regards, The rest of the world

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    Guess the farmers will have to sell their farms to billionaires for half price now.

    Go work for Amazon while Jeff Bezos uses your land to save money on groceries.

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    This is why farmers shouldn’t monocrop. Even if a farmer doesn’t care about the environment and soil health, monocropping makes a farmer vulnerable to the volatile nature of geopolitics and the global economy.

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    Most farmers voted to burn their own fields… again. The same man who nearly crippled American agriculture last time was welcomed with open arms. Tariffs, trade wars, and labor shortages wrecked their profits before, but somehow they lined up for another round. It is like watching someone hire the same man who burned down their house and expecting him to rebuild it this time.

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      After his Trade War on the first term, Trump gave major subsidies and bailouts which really benefited large farmers. Trump promised similar subsidies for this term, and Trump actually delivered on that in his spending bill; but farmers were expecting more than what was promised, and they haven’t gotten that.

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        This really needs to be higher up. Farmers are millionaires who got massive bailouts and tax breaks the first Trump term. They were expecting the same thing this time around which is why they voted for him again. They voted for their bank account over human suffering and the destruction of America

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    Hey there woah … if you say something bad about djt, he’ll dump on you from an F35 so EVERYTHING is PERFECT no matter what you say.

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      Couldn’t even ask AI to recreate that video with correct mask placement lol. Trump is a huge fucking loser.

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      Actually, shit is a great fertilizer. If he had dumped it on the farm fields that need it, it would have been a better video.

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      I couldn’t believe how many people don’t realize that a country literally CANNOT be run as a business.

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        It can, but it doesn’t mean it will be good or useful at all lol but I get what you’re saying. Government is for people, business is for profit. People and profit are not compatible as the purpose of the entity. Just look at the US Healthcare “Industry” for the most glaring example of this.

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          You’ve summed it up exactly. Business is for profit, government is for people. To expand slightly more on the thought here’s what I say:

          1. Unproductive members of a business are fired. You can’t do that with people. Well you can, but then we call that euthanasia or mass murder or other such things.

          2. A business is made up of folks that are, in the main, healthy, relatively trained and able to work. Assuming that the business is a good one and is one of those “one career” type things, you have them for about 35 years. A country has to take care of people from birth to death. So that’s like another fifty or so years.

          3. Everything that a business does and everyone it hires is (theoretically) there to help expand and grow the business and it’s associated profits. It doesn’t need things like a military which sucks up profit and is only used once in a while.

          4. A business doesn’t normally rely on its own employees to generate its profits. They might contribute, for instance Esso employees are probably paying for gas, but the vast majority of the profits are coming off non-Esso people.

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    Customer retention is a huge thing. Customers are often hard to get and easy to lose. Piss them off and they’ll find an alternative and they are not coming back. Trump has crippled us for decades.

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      But Trump knows that his base will still vote for him regardless of how his policies directly impact them.

      Their desire for hate and oppression trumps (pun intended) whatever economic hardship they face.

      “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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        Doesn’t matter what his base thinks, or who they vote for. Guess my point is that it’s too late to turn around and regain our “customer’s” trust.

        When the manager, who was approved by the employees, belts every 4th guy in the door straight in the teeth, that stores custom is drying up and it’s not coming back.

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    Canada, Russia, Belarus and China are the major players in potash mining and production. The US doesn’t mine or produce any in a substantial number. The US has huge import tariffs on China, and can’t currently buy from either Russia or Belarus.

    Canada needs to put a 50-70% export tariff on potash. That would crush US farming.

    If Trump wants to play, let’s burn them to the ground. Here is your 51st state you cunt.

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      This is idiotic. You are literally suggesting Canada follows Trump example and try to use tariffs to hurt another country.

      Canadian potash producers have no reason to be punished with tariffs.

      Tariffs damage your own country. Not the enemy. This is literally what you’re complaining about.

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        Tariffs damage your own country. Not the enemy.

        Read what I said. I said EXPORT tariffs. These are taxed at the border, by Canada, to the buyer exporting - IE; the farmers and supply chain in the US. These aren’t like Trump’s import tariffs but they have the same effect to Americans.

        The only effect this would have on Canada is MAYBE some reduced sales, but US farmers don’t have a choice with this product. They literally can’t buy it from anywhere else in the numbers they need.

        And yes, the design would be to cause even further damage to US farming because of Trump. It’s a huge power play Canada has. They want to reduce our added tax on potash? They need to drop or reduce tariffs on their end.

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        You can have sensible tariffs that do the intended job of encouraging a domestic market, but you need to have both supply and demand available domestically.

        For example, Canada has an import tariff on milk and other dairy because we produce and consume our own dairy products. If some giant US milk conglomerate could start imprint on the cheap it would legitimately harm the Canadian economy.

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        Its not universally true that tariffs harm your own country.

        If the US really is dependent on a specific thing from a specific country then that country can absolutely harm the US by applying a tariff to it.

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    IMO there’s a good chance that Trump’s second term will mark the end of the United States as a super power.

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    I’m going to end up emigrating from this fucking country primarily so I can stop bailing out dumbfucks.

    This is absurd.

    We’re going to bail out “bootstrap” assholes after they were warned they were going to kill their own livelihoods. Fuck that clown shit.

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      The US government has been doing this forever. For example, meat and dairy farmers are heavily subsidized. They couldn’t survive if they weren’t subsidized.

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        For example, meat and dairy farmers are heavily subsidized.

        They’re subsidized to regulate productivity. You don’t want large fluctuations in the supply of staple goods, so you offer a price floor that’s cost of production + vig to guarantee a certain volume of retail surplus.

        If you want to get extra fancy, you turn the excess into a good that you can preserve for long periods (excess milk turned into Government Cheese) that you can then store in the event of a supply contraction or dole out abroad for goodwill as material aid.

        The only real caveat is that you need the agricultural property owned by actual working people, rather than some enormous private conglomerate or trust. The goal is to guarantee a steady supply of his that still offers gainful employment, not to create a massive shareholder give away for folks who will still fuck with the supply chain

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        Australia here.

        I’ve been saying all along that we’d happily exchange some fuckwits for some lefty seppos.

        Chuck another shrimp on the barbie mate strewth.

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          Haha yeah I’m Australian too. And agree, lefty seppos would be a welcome change from a lot of the fuckwits we have around here…

          But also, I don’t want to add more fuckwits so how do we filter out the gun loving Maga psychos?