Goddamn these fucking protesters are such inauthentic losers. So “brave” yet terrified to protest the Trump administration.
Fucking phonies. They don’t even remotely give a shit about Palestinians.
The pro-Palestine movement is protesting against the Trump administration almost every day. Just because Democrats are one degree better doesn’t mean they get a pass for supporting the modern-day Holocaust for 16 months and handing the country on a silver platter to Trump.
Every Democrat who played a part in propping up the inanimate corpse of Biden and supported the genocide in 2024 need to be run out of politics and reminded of their miserable fucking FAILURE to stop fascism for the rest of their lives.
And people like you are why trump won.
If such people are why the democrats lost, then maybe the democrats should’ve listened to them? Basic politics 101. Next time try listening to voters if you want their votes.
No Harris knew what’s best, anyone saying she’s wrong was a Russian bot who never voted except somehow also voted for Trump.
Kamala Harris is why Trump won. She made it clear that she didn’t want the pro-Palestine movement’s votes and paid the price, that’s how democracy works.
So Trump got the “pro-Palestine” movement’s support via them deciding to not vote for his opposition. Great job. Really helped Palestine by easing the way for the racist dictator!
🤷♀️ you don’t get a pass for supporting genocide just because your opposition is one degree worse. If democrats wanted to win they should have listened to the voters and not their billionaire consultants and AIPAC donors. Sucks to suck!
If your goal was to stop the genocide, you should’ve voted for the person that values human lives over the one that doesn’t value anyone but himself. There was a chance we could’ve mounted enough political pressure that Harris would eventually cave. There’s zero chance of that with Trump. Forest through the trees.
If your goal was to stop the genocide, you should’ve voted for the person that values human lives
Neither of the top two candidates qualify.
There was a chance we could’ve mounted enough political pressure that Harris would eventually cave.
Read this again. Pay attention to how weak of an argument it is. There was a chance she would eventually cave? Come on, no one really believes that, especially when she gave no indication that she believed anything different than Trump or Biden about Israel’s genocide of Palestinians. You just got an “I can change her” vibe from her with no evidence.
No you!
Good argument. Wanna call them a bot next?
Bloc werk gud
He said from his spinning office chair in his air conditioned room.
Then he went downtown to punch a homeless kid in the face and grab a coffee from that new place.
I absolutely despise trump. With that said, I hope we never see her as president. She’s insanely out of of touch with the common folk. I’d much rather see AOC or that Texas democrat dude with the ears
I will take any functioning adult who I can not easily visualize mentally as a 1940’s German officer.
Ditto. She would have made a terrible president. My mind was made when she didn’t ask for a recount. I hope we don’t see her in 2028. I hope we make it to 2028…
There’s this whole slew of Americans who want ranked choice voting and just can’t articulate or perhaps even fathom that that’s what they want.
Yes, I would love to see Beto or AOC!
Rep Tallarico?
She blamed anti genocide protesters for her loss and is trying to make money off it.
Remember, Kamala is the reason Trump won.
People not voting in their best interests is why Trump won
Why did they not select the candidate they wanted in the Democrat primaries? Oh right DNC blocked that.
It is astounding how hard Democrats are willing to defend the Kamala when she is literally responsible for Trump winning. A wet sack of potatoes would have beaten Trump.
There was cheating. They literally set ballots on fire in blue areas.
So why did Kamala instantly surrender and did she not demand a recount? She caved to Fascism like it was her job. Zero fighting back.
Why did we not recount desteoyed items?
France have been mobilising for the lesser evil candidate for several elections. Are they better? At least Lepen didn’t get elected.
I think Democrats have been manipulated into abstaining from voting by the right.
They should be ashamed.
French liberals (Macron) literally staged a coup to prevent the left from winning and promoted the far right. What the hell are you talking about.
More people didn’t vote at all than who voted for Harris. The vice president isn’t in charge of policy. Biden is the reason trump won.
I mean I agree, 4 years of Biden was a disastrous failure that Kamala should have made a hard break from as soon as he dropped out, but didn’t. Ridiculous, its like they were intentionally trying to lose.
She explicity said she would run on the exact same policies as Biden.
If she shut up and went away, then protesters probably wouldn’t bother her.
Why should she do that?
If you lose to Donald Fucking Trump, you should be too ashamed to show your face in public.
That’s a pretty emotional argument. She’s a mature woman in her 70’s. I doubt she would see it the way you do.
Would you end your current career if you had some sort of major failure? Personally, I would try to learn from it and do better next time.
If my failure caused 4 years of Donald Trump? Yes, I would find another career. How many fully loaded 747s can a pilot crash before they shouldn’t be speaking authoritatively on how to fly planes?
You really like false equivalency arguments, don’t you? Harris didn’t singlehandedly cause four more years of Trump. That took the entire GOP working/plotting towards it for four years, as well as many failures in leadership, on both sides, among many departments. I blame Biden’s DOJ for not prosecuting Trump for inciting an insurrection more than I blame Harris’ rushed campaign and handful of poor responses to questions. I also blame voters like you, who still fail to see the big picture and, instead, waste energy trying to punish neoliberals for playing neoliberal politics when the choice is between more neoliberalism and outright fascism. Both choices suck, but one leaves the option for a long game, while the other leads to minorities like me being murdered by the state.
What would the Democrats have to do to lose your support?
How much failure and faked impotence does it take for you to discard them?
Don’t answer that, just think about it.
I don’t support democrats. I’m opposed to fascism. I think I’ve thought about it a little more than you have.
Kamala Harris is 60.
Makes sense.
Imagine a pilot flying a plane into a building and then going on book tours. Even worse, it’s kind of obvious the pilot did it because rich people and foreign nations told him to.
“I’m not the pilot right now”
I think her stances on all important political and economic issues were better than Trump’s. The American people want unpredictable tariffs, authoritarianism, and an end to the rules-based international order that the US established in the wake of the second world war. She offered a reasonable alternative, and it was rejected by the American people. I don’t think she should need to be ashamed about that.
Because she’s supposed to be a good person who isn’t tone deft?
Guess that was just an act too.
She’s a politician. Everything’s an act. She’s also not openly fascist. The other option we were given is. I really don’t see how this is hard for so many of y’all.
Kamala Harris ran on a pro-genocide platform and was very supportive of Israel. This was one of the reasons why she lost.
Here we go again with the “we hate Israel so we won’t vote for Kamala and allow Trump to win so he can supply Israel with more bombs” crowd. Brother the entire ticket was pro Israel. Stop blaming this one issue as the reason she lost.
The person said “one of the reasons”, as in one reason out of many. Sorry to be flippant, but jeez, people really need to learn to read.
But how can it be one of the reasons when her opponent was way worse on this issue, and all the other issues
It’s possible to be upset that you have no candidate who opposes genocide, no matter how preferable you think genocide(D) is to genocide(R).
Absolutely it is. But if you voted for trump or didn’t vote for Kamala you helped get trump elected whether you like it or not.
Wouldn’t it be lovely if it wasn’t a 2 party system where both parties are neoliberal corporate stooges.
But that’s not reality and hoping for puppies and rainbows doesn’t do anything
But that’s not reality and hoping for puppies and rainbows doesn’t do anything
Being happy with an untenable status quo doesn’t make it tenable.
And acting like “don’t sell weapons you know are going to be used for genocide” is an unreasonable ask in any way, acting like people who don’t want to be complicit in a genocide are asking for puppies and rainbows? That’s gross.
I never said anyone had to be happy with it. I didn’t even say anyone had to vote for Kamala. I just said that you have to live with your choices, and if you made that choice in all good conscience to knowingly not try to stop a fascist coup.
I don’t really know why anyone is arguing with me, you can do whatever you want, I just want people to stand by their convictions if they chose not to vote against fascism
it’s a trolley problem. realistically, there are only two choices in the presidential election, and it’s our responsibility to vote for the one who will cause less harm. I fucking hate Kamala, but I held my nose and voted for her because trump is causing even more damage
in an ideal world, we could have a real election and vote for an actually good candidate, but that is not the world we live in
Why do people keep trying to convince me to vote how I voted in an election that already happened every time I say that democrats had no business supporting genocide?
I suppose it’s because they never intend to change their policies and expect further complicity in the future.
But all of you people who held your nose and voted for her are the reason why she felt able to run on a pro-genocide platform. If you all had more morals, the Democrats wouldn’t have felt safe running a pro-genocide candidate. (See the game can be played both ways when we decide not to blame the people who actually deserve it — those at the top).
I think people thought by voicing it to her, she wpupd change las minute then they would vote. She didnt blink, and so these voters also didnt vote for her out of spite. And these voters still get to ctey “i did not vote for Kamala” for dubious moral high grounds.
If you want to win elections, you need to give the voters what they want. You should not complain if you lose after running against what your voters want.
The difference between the dnc and rnc is that the rnc is united behind 1 set of morals that stays relatively consistent: religion. The dnc is more like a coalition of different ideas. So you are right that they should have done more to capture more voters.
However the non voters and protest voters are “cutting off their nose to spite their face”. Idk if you’re familiar with that saying but in other words they voted against genocide and instead voted for more genocide. If you don’t see how that is a fact then I’m sorry but you lack comprehension of reality and need to do WAY more research and studying so you can sit at the big kids table.
Here’s how it works, and you can lay this to rest.
I am an activist. I am or knocking doors for candidates. That means I’m volunteering my own time and money.
If she isn’t willing to come my way on Palestine, why should I spend time and money on her?
That’s why she lost. We all voted, but she had no grass support.
There’s a difference between putting on a show to impress your activist buddies and actually caring about an issue. These people protesting Harris are like you, just putting on a show to aggrandize themselves. No different from the MAGAs.
I dont think you read my comment.
The ones that allowed Trump to win are all of you who insisted on voting for a nonviable genocidal candidate despite everyone telling you “we’re not voting for her”.
You trusted media polls instead of your own eyes and ears, and you explicitly voted for genocide, and now you’re blaming those with a moral compass for refusing to vote for it.
Biden was way more pro Israel than Trump, most of Gaza was destroyed under Biden, Trump has supplied less bombs than Biden, and you’re convinced Kamala would have been better than Trump? She campaigned on most lethal military in the face of genocide protests.
You just wanted her because it’s better for America, not for Palestine. Stop making the Trump is worse argument, because Biden was way worse. Take ownership of your moral failure so that you don’t repeat it again by campaigning for genocidal Newsom instead of revolting.
And don’t give me any bullshit about having the chance to do something under Kamala, you didn’t do anything under Biden and you’re not doing anything now, yet you’re still blaming those who had tried to do something.
You wanted status quo, you wanted comfort, you wanted Kamala to finish the genocide quietly while denying it, you wanted to get back to pretending like you have a functional democracy. And you’ll deserve everything in Trump until you find your moral compass and join those who refuse to support the “lesser evil” and revolt.
Your empire is collapsing, and your dictator is not going away without force, and your crowd are obsessed with the next election. You need to stop working, you need to stop labor, you need to revolt.
It’s uncomfortable, I know. You’ve had two years to prepare yourself, how much longer do you need?
I voted to cause the least harm possible. unfortunately, both candidates were pro-genocide,so we were stuck between someone who was going to cause a lot of harm and someone who was going to cause even more harm. it fucking sucks, and I wanted to throw up while filling out my ballot, but I live in reality
also, genuine question, what is trump doing better than Biden? trump is causing endless trade wars and has ruined our reputation with the rest of the world
Whats even the point of democracy if politicians aren’t running to give people what they actually want and just point at the greater evil and say “I won’t do anything to improve your lives, but the other guy is really scary and bad!”. Can you even name a single Harris 2024 policy proposal off the top of your head?
I am not a fan of Kamala. The DNC should be dismantled for how they handled the 2024 elections.
However I consider myself somewhat educated so when I’m offered either a turd or the end of democracy as we know it as the only VIABLE options, then I’m going to choose the turd.
I will admit that the situation isn’t lost as some of the dnc leaders are at least realizing their mistake so hopefully, if we even get the chance to vote again, they will support the right people next time.
What, specifically, was the “pro genocide platform”? Because I remember that election pretty well, and I don’t recall any advocacy of genocide, at least not from Harris.
Let’s be honest for one second. Here’s how American politics on Israel actually breaks down:
Democrats: often criticize Netanyahu but never actually cut off aid. However, several Democrats already opposed continuing aid to Israel and the rest of the party conceivably could listen to growing opposition to Israel’s war.
Republicans: actively hate all poor brown people and want Israel to kill them all. They will also use deportations and any other means available to silence anyone voicing opposition to said killing of all poor brown people.
I get that neither choice is perfect, but I really can’t see why it’s a struggle.
She did not distance herself from Biden on the subject. As the democratic nominee; heir to the Biden campaign; and then current VP in the Biden administration, this meant that her platform on Gaza defaulted to being the Biden policy.
I agree that I would rather be fighting a Harris administration over Gaza policy instead of a Trump administration. But running as a less bad version of the opposing party is not effective politics.
In that same vein, protesting a former VP from a party that is out of power is also not an effective form of activism.
You’re so caught up in left vs right that you fail to see that they are two sides of the same coin. Democrat waffling paves the way for Republican atrocities. The two parties act in concert to enact the interests of the ruling class. The only way we are getting out of this is if we abandon the framework they have indoctrinated us in, and start seeing the world clearly, as a struggle between those who have against those who have not.
This thought process makes no fucking sense though because the other guy did too…
Kamala was very obviously the “better” choice for Palestine.
Yes, she’s still a shit choice for Palestine.
But I don’t understand this logic, this person is going to let a genocide happen if we elect them, the other guy is going to let a genocide and a fascism happen.
Someone make it make sense
Makes a whole bunch of sense when you consider a lot of America still just can’t accept the idea of a woman as president, and they’ll use any excuse they can to make themselves feel better about the misogyny.
Some people don’t like being taken advantage of as much as you do. There’s your answer. They don’t like being given no meaningful choice, and that’s what harris represented.
Put yourself in the shoes of someone who doesn’t support genocide if you can imagine it. You don’t get a primary, and the candidate you get is as pro-genocide as the one you would have voted against in the primary. You’ve been railroaded. You knew the guy the party wanted wasn’t gonna win. You know this one isn’t gonna win. You know that smug genocide supporters are gonna blame you no matter how you vote, even though they’re the ones that refuse to listen to the people. After all, they would rather you have no choice. They made that clear when they robbed you of it.
If you want to win elections, then you have to listen to the voters. If you push an unpopular genocial candidate like Kamala Harris on the voters, “the other guy is much worse” argument is not going to save you.
A whole lot of people wont vote for war criminals of any party, its that simple. If Harris had half a brain she would have read the polls and known she had no route to victory in supporting Israel.
If you want to now cry and point fingers, go ahead. You got maneuvered into supporting war crimes and now you want to pretend to be better than other people. You’re down in the mud with the rest of us. You’re no better or worse, but you are being a smug jerk with nothing to be smug about. Thats pathetic.I think you think I’m like pro Harris or something, I’m very much not. I’m just talking about how utterly illogical it is to choose the greater of 2 evils.
If you can’t morally vote for a lesser war criminal I honestly understand it.
You just need to admit that you’ve helped enable trump
How’s that working out? 🙈
Trump is doing a fantastic job supporting Israel in her place
If you want to win elections, then you have to listen to the voters. If you push an unpopular genocial candidate like Kamala Harris on the voters, “the other guy is much worse” argument is not going to save you.
Kamala lost because she was terrible at everything
Kamala lost because she was running on a Campaign of Joy™️
The only way to win a campaign is to garner more rage than your opponent. Nixon’s campaign manager put it well- “The secret to politics is to know who hates who”. That’s how they flipped the then deep blue south into a Republican stronghold for 60 years.
Frankly I think this is why we are doomed to civil war, candidates that try to calm things down will always lose to candidates who fan the flames.
Read the room Harris and stop justofying your mistakes
Yeah, we know. Those folks are just reminding you, why.
Not surprising after she banned Gazan supporters and a local Democrat legislator at her own DNC rally.
Absolute garbage mound of a candidate and campaign that completely deserves to be thrashed by the very constituency she refused to acknowledge.
Bunch of you failure shills in this comments still thinking this was a progressive candidate need to look at literally any of her responses to questions about public policy. Nothing but a 1:1 copy of Biden’s equally shit tier response to major internal and external issues, and very obviously way more right leaning than Obama.
I still remember some of you outright denying the existence of Gaza protestors at DNC events, as if any news outlet reporting it was a Russian compromised asset, and any user on lemmy.world supporting such action was a lemmy.ml Chinese spam bot in disguise.
Ah yeah, good thing we got all that but way worse with how people voted.
Domestically, yeah he’s worse, he’s literally an authoritarian fascist dictator.
For Gaza? Biden was literally worse. He was way more outspoken in his support for Israel, he never showed compassion for Palestinians, and he called himself a proud Zionist constantly. Not to mention he spent WAY MORE of your tax dollars on military support to them.
Like it’s not even close, $28 billion vs Trump’s $16. And you’re still repeating the same bullshit…
Quite frankly anybody that’s still defending the Democratic Party and the AIPAC-driven Harris 2024 campaign sounds more like a bot than any of the real people I talk about politics with every day who absolutely despise both Trump and the feckless, centrist Dems.
Right wingers love projection, that’s why they say the ones who speak truth are the bots, and the ones funded by think-tanks and SuperPACs are the real options to save the country.
She could have been if she didn’t fuck up the Gaza situation…
Anyone who didn’t vote out of protest did far more to “fuck up the Gaza situation” than she did.
While I think “protest not voting” is bad (considering the alternatives), so is giving even more weapons to a genocidal state.
This is just patently false but way to pin the blame for her actions on random individuals with no power to change anything.
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition
You can’t win electrons by running on a pro-genocide platform. You have to listen to your voters to win elections.
You can’t win elections by running on a pro-genocide platform
Unless you’re a Republican, of course, then it becomes a necessity.
The solution isn’t to become a republican. Though democrats seem to think it is.
Depends, is the goal to make America better, or just to have power? Republicans have proven that being evil is the easiest way to get power.
She basically ran a republican campaign from the dem side. Talked about her gun. war hawked racist immoral wars. palled around with a cheney. Ignored her voters. Talked about praying twice a day. The only thing missing would be talking about how she was a young republican “goldwater girl” like hillary tried to do. Both of them tried to pretend to be crypto republicans ,constantly winking at right wingers to try to fit in, so they could gain enough republican votes to ignore the left. Both of them failed at that epicly. That should be a lesson to future Dem candidates. You exist in a coalition, so get your shit together and act like it. Or lose.
Fuk it. Lets watch the world burn
If people rejected the least-worse option for Gaza because she was only the least-worse option for Gaza, then blame rests in the hands of a bunch of people who lack the reasoning power god gave a gnat.
(Edit – so many downvoters against harm reduction. Hockey helmets and seat belts are a good thing)
Kamala Harris could have been the president today if she had not run on a pro-genocide platform. She miscalculated, and lost the election as a result.
Nah, she’s was a genuinely terrible candidate. Her polling was bad enough in the lead up to the 2020 primaries that she dropped out before any of the initial votes came in. Even had Biden not tried to run again and the DNC had hosted primaries in 2024 i’m certain other candidates would have gotten more support.
There was no least worse. Both parties are giving billions to israel to continue the war of extermination and lied about the cease fire talks
Why argue that she still deserved everyone’s votes because she’s “the least worse?” Why not make an argument for why you think she made the right decision supporting a genocide? You’re framing this as if she were forced into this position and we should have accepted that, which is completely ludicrous.
Why argue that she still deserved everyone’s votes because she’s “the least worse?”
Because they want no better.
They’re fine that POTUS “supports babies being mass murdered abroad”, their problem is that from the two “baby mass murdering in another land supporting” candidates, the one who won is the one that in the US does not do what they would rather they do.
It’s not at all a Moral stand, it’s a What’s Best For Me stand sleazily being spinned as a Moral stand.
You are what you are. A person who lost because they wouldn’t get off the fence.
Same people attacking any suggestion that their inaction let the orange monkey back into the WH. But hey, ‘it wasn’t me who voted him in’, right?
Remind them that throwing their vote away was a vote for garbage, and garbage won.
Lol. And yet they continue to double down here and in other forums about how destroying the country is somehow better for themselves in the long run.
Harris was never going to win.
So you voted for garbage, don’t be mad you got what you wanted
I didn’t vote for Trump. F that piece of shit Nazi
Did you throw your vote away on someone even less likely to win than Kamala, or did you decide voting wasn’t your thing, because both of those were votes for the garbage nazi currently trying to turn as many kids into skeletons as possible.
Wrong again. I’m in California. My vote for POTUS never mattered.
If this lady can’t even commit to stopping a genocide, then what makes you all think she would have saved democracy? Whenever I see her speak I think of the scene from Breaking Bad: you are not the guy!
She wasn’t advocating for authoritarianism so that should be the first hint.
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I thought she promised us she was leaving politics. Why is she speaking at all. She should be in Nevada selling insurance.
She’s selling a book, not being “in politics”. She told the truth.
More honest than these phony protesters that are too cowardly to protest Trump, the man they preferred to be president.
What makes you think these protestors are not also protesting Trump?
I dunno man I think talking about politics constantly despite not being in office counts as “being in politics”, even if it’s not technically correct
100%. She wants to critique it with an outsiders brand, not actually be an outsider. In her dumb “107 days” book she outlines no way forward. The same as her entire career. She is pathologically incapable of leading in any particular direction, and just wants some sort of successful outcome, not any particular goal for any particular reason. Any win will do. She’s the perfect empty headed puppet.
She is giving political advice on why she lost.
And by political advice I mean refusing to take responsibility and blaming everything on the left.
This is exactly why the US ended up with trump. 0 critical thinking.
What are we supposed to do instead? Hug and kiss her for flubbing what should have been an easy election?
Yes, you’re supposed to do the exact opposite of what you’re doing now and give a grandiose display of positive emotions for her. That is exactly what is being asked of you in this moment. Glad you could figure this one out! Good boy! /s
0 critical thinking.
agreed. Your comment reflects that. She didnt write that book because she sees her career in politics as over. Use your head.
Yeah but you didn’t condemn Isreal when you should have. You get your just desserts. Never gonna vote for you. Buh-bye.
