The meme is wrong. Instead of “: vote” it should say “: do nothing “

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Nothing about this says that voting is off the table entirely…

Votings worked out great so far… Price of freedom I guess 😂. We should vote for whatever party represents our class interests but don’t get illusions, we were given ‘democracy’ to stop revolution and the only true path to democracy is a workers revolution to bring about Democratic workers control of our economy.

Essentially, mainstream politics use voting to limit us, we post our ballot and that’s that, the ruling class can continue in which ever form they take, whether Democrat or Republican but the power still sits with the same class, in my case, Tory, Labour, Green, or Reform. Tory’s did a shit show for 14 years, then labour came in, and we see no stop to austerity, we see the same allegiance with Israel. Our voting the ‘left’ did little, we must play an active role in fighting for our class interests.

I don’t think propaganda is based in facts.

It also ignores our lack of healthcare and our militarized police force.

Those cities did nothing effective.

Brace yourself for an apparently super edgy hot take:

Rioting > voting

rioting & voting > just rioting

just voting > nothing at all

Discouraging voting or rioting = supporting the status quo.

I’m stealing random awesome Lemmy quotes for early voting encouragement cards. Would you like your user handle to be kept out of it or can I credit it?

Rioting = participatory democracy

Voting for status quo defined by elite = not actual democracy

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“soind”

I didn’t get the reference at first, but searched for the phrase and found it. Incredible.

BLM wasn’t far enough, because police are still killing black people.

How long ago were the MLK riots?

Americans don’t know how to riot. If they did when Renee Good was killed, there would be three dead cops in the street. Because there was 2 dozen citizens there and 3 police officers.

If that happened in my country, she might still be dead, but so would the cops.

For a police force that constantly “fears for their lives” as an excuse to murder their own citizens, they sure as fuck don’t feel enough fear.

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From a french point of view, the far right is mostly gaining ground in the medias, people tend to support the high school kids. Also, we are used that important movements of protest be surrounded by black blocks, police disguised into rioter to rise violence, and thiefs coming to still easy targets. Some real manifestants have been extremly violent on some police officer, but exceptionally.

Some of the most dangerous amunition of riot police has been changed for a bit less dangerous ones… not a big victory yet. Parents tend to take side with their kids, teachers too, and a large part of those having younger kids. Those turning to far right were just waiting for an excuse to do so, the good news is that kids know how to fight (they will need it again soon).

This is a communist space, communists are not democrats, we dont vote for democrats.

We’ve been protesting since 2018, because the rich got richer, the poor poorer and more numerous.

This is the government not listening to the people, that is what breeds violence. That is the reason for the violence.

It’s like pouring salt on a wound, when will it stop hurting?

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Part of the problem with the Democrats is their infighting. Even if a Democratic candidate appeals to you and you like his policies, most of the time it doesn’t mean his policies are going to get passed or even introduced to get voted on.

The one thing Republican party has is its members solidarity and consistently voting as a block the last 30 years.

The main difference between the two parties is one is run on feelings and no policy and the other runs on watered-down corporate policy passed along as the status quo.

Both parties produce poor quality legislation for the country that is deliberately flawed in slightly different ways.

Def get that frustration, Dems are not here to help us or anyone but the rich.

However - rather than not vote, go vote 3rd party. If voting is low effort for you (it isn’t always…), that’s a tiny but legible stamp of “nah fuck this”.

Whereas non-voting in the US is only seen by the powers that be as “guess they’re fine with either of us lmao, must not be too unhappy, hell yeah, may the great grift roll on!”

Send the signals ya mean, folks. Silence is not a signal.

No I downvoted because americans have had plenty of inspirational riots, even just in the last few years. Like the George Floyd uprising or J20 or standing rock. Its just annoying when people seem to forget or ignore history. And when they compare the actions of liberal parties and youth/left wing protestors. Of course those are not the same…

Absolutely vote? Wasn’t it the democrats who originally started using those concentration camps? Why the hell should we keep supporting liberals as an obligation, this kind of stuff is why you’ll never move left of the Democratic Party.

That’s a bit extreme. But yeah, the US constitution actually legalizes Luigi in extreme cases. And if the next election would somehow just not happen for a year that would probably the exact case that rule had been written for.

There’s no anti-pedophile or anti-Israel party in the USA, unfortunately

PSL – Party for Socialism and Liberation https://pslweb.org/

Parties outside the duopoly can win if you vote for them.

Yeah, Israel is the biggest “Little America.”

Remember, Israel is USA’s 51st state,

My understanding is it’s the reverse, USA is a vassal Israel state.

Do all three.

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EVERY SINGLE right you have right now is the result of violence and riot.

This is not actually true, a great deal of credit for the passing of the Civil Rights Act can and should be attributed to nationwide riots that took place in the week directly following Martin Luther King Juniors assassination. Known as the Holy Week Uprising. The American public education system purposely doesn’t talk about this and pushes the peaceful protest angle to prevent any meaningful organizing. It can easily work here too

That’s because Americans do it wrong. The people in charge know that there is no real solidarity amongst the population, so they can just wait it out. The riots won’t spread, won’t last longer than a week or two at worst, and everything will go right back to the status quo once the new shiny distraction comes out.

Edit: as a response to all the comments, it doesn’t have a great track record in the current media landscape.

It never does. Haven’t you seen what the French government is now trying to do? They’re claiming it’s leftist separatists doing this and it has nothing to do with schools. They will try everything to delegitimize instead of doing the right thing. Cost benefit analysis will be run later and they might learn a thing, but mostly don’t.

I recommend reading “A People’s History of The United States” by Howard Zinn. Great book! And still relevant today

It is a cruel irony that this great promise of democracy is rarely realized in practice. Most of the great political reforms of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries have been accompanied by massive episodes of civil disobedience, riot, lawbreaking, the disruption of public order, and, at the limit, civil war. Such tumult not only accompanied dramatic political changes but was often absolutely instrumental in bringing them about. Representative institutions and elections by themselves, sadly, seem rarely to bring about major changes in the absence of the force majeure afforded by, say, an economic depression or international war. Owing to the concentration of property and wealth in liberal democracies and the privileged access to media, culture, and political influence these positional advantages afford the richest stratum, it is little wonder that, as Gramsci noted, giving the working class the vote did not translate into radical political change. Ordinary parliamentary politics is noted more for its immobility than for facilitating major reforms.

We are obliged; if this assessment is broadly true, to confront the paradox of the contribution of lawbreaking and disruption to democratic political change. Taking the twentieth-century United States as a case in point, we can identify two major policy reform periods, the Great Depression of the 1930s and the civil rights movement of the 1960s. What is most striking about each, from this perspective, is the vital role massive disruption and threats to public order played in the process of reform.

The great policy shifts represented by the institution of unemployment compensation, massive public works projects, social security aid, and the Agricultural Adjustment Act were, to be sure, abetted by the emergency of the world depression. But the way in which the economic emergency made its political weight felt was not through statistics on income and unemployment but through rampant strikes, looting, rent boycotts, quasi-violent sieges of relief offices, and riots that put what my mother would have called “the fear of God” in business and political elites. They were thoroughly alarmed at what seemed at the time to be potentially revolutionary ferment. The ferment in question was, in the first instance, not institutionalized. That is to say, it was not initially shaped by political parties, trade unions, or recognizable social movements. It represented no coherent policy agenda. Instead it was genuinely unstructured, chaotic, and full of menace to the established order. For this very reason, there was no one to bargain with, no one to credibly offer peace in return for policy changes. The menace was directly proportional to its lack of institutionalization. One could bargain with a trade union or a progressive reform movement, institutions that were geared into the institutional machinery. A strike was one thing, a wildcat strike was another: even the union bosses couldn’t call off a wildcat strike. A demonstration, even a massive one, with leaders was one thing, a rioting mob was another. There were no coherent demands, no one to talk to.

James C Scott, Two Cheers for Anarchism

Meanwhile the entire country fellates slave-owning tax dodgers who started such a big riot it turned into a civil war.