The goal of schools is not to prepare you for capitalism. Luckily, they’re one of the few institutions that are still concerned with human values beyond money.
You could argue it would be valuable, from a practical sense, to additionally offer classes on personal finance, sure, but it’s abhorrent to use music lessons as a mocking point or suggest that somehow the school should teach finance instead of all other subject matters.
The recorder is not what was stopping them from teaching your finance.
This is stupid.
In school they had us practice recorder in ghe 4th grade, ages 9/10. I took accounting in highschool, ages 16/17.
We did both. Not only did we do both, these two lessons were taught at very different stages of education.
Came here to say this, we also learned recorder in 4th grade. If you tried teaching 4th graders about trading securities derivatives you’d have a riot on your hands in less than 5 minutes lol.
trading securities derivatives
The fuck would you ever teach them that for?
They’re 10 years old not idiots, they can learn through age appropriate skills such as budgeting and decision making - which can be made into a fun game as can almost anything you want to teach.
Exactly. I also had the thought, if you breakdown music composition, it’s basically math. Music is math.
Techno is accounting
This is a right wing meme
how
It’s anti art and culture.
Facebook tier meme
Teaching finance is important, but being exposed to arts or different subjects like trade can be beneficial. A well rounded education to maybe spark an interest. Just think we had a whole world of accountants.
Music is far and away the more worthy subject.
I’ve had co-workers refuse a pay rise because they thought they would lose money due to higher taxes.
Music as a lesson has never once been beneficial outside of a classroom.
One skill is useful for life, the other is useful for the 3 people who intend to go on to study music.
For you, maybe.
Playing music is still my number one coping skill for stress, and still my number one activity that raises my self esteem.
I have done nothing with my music knowledge except enjoy it for myself. I played this recorder here, then clarinet, then bass clarinet, and finally today I only play bass guitar.
Still love it, and am grateful to have discovered I enjoyed playing when I was ten years old from school band. My band teacher was awesome. She encouraged me at a time no other adult did.
Edit, in middle school we learned the theme song from Jurassic Park. It was the first time I got shivers when we’d play it together on stage. What an incredible feeling. And now, some 25 years later, that theme song still rotates in my brain music playlist. I still remember that feeling on stage the night we performed it on stage in concert. Absolutely incredible.
School should not be for finding hobbies. It’s bad enough children are denied agency, but to waste time on hobbies that aren’t even relevant to them?
I literally just said it was relevant to me. Im not gonna argue with someone who sees music as a waste of time. Band was an elective. Accounting was also an elective (in high school). I took both.
How would you know what career/life/goal you want to pursue if you don’t try it first at school? Is the purpose of school to teach you how to be an automaton working a dead end job? Cause that’s what it sounds like you want
Also describing music purely as a “hobby” is asinine
You must be some kind of troll. Music literally transforms the structure of your brain, strengthens neural connections, and makes you smarter in every way. If you knew anything about either music or mathematics, you would know the two are fundamentally linked. There are many problems with our society, but too much access to arts and culture definitely is not one of them. Do they even teach music in schools anymore? States have been cutting the curricula to the bone, and the arts have suffered the most.
More note worthy even…
I’ll see myself out.
No. Only CPAs are valuable because only having a high salary matters.
“Financial literacy” is victim blaming. Our economic system doesn’t need to be this complicated. You’re forced to invest or else your savings are destroyed by inflation. But these investments all involve trusting various institutions, and you have no way of knowing which ones are safe. Oh and don’t put it all in one place; you need to find multiple solutions. By the time you’re old or disabled, it’s your fault you’re in this mess.
Our economy is essentially forcing the public at gunpoint to make a prediction about topics they know nothing about. It’s a design not for the humans who exist, but for perfectly informed spheres.
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In a few years: “Well, it’s his own fault for putting it all in Vanguard.”
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They’ll find a way to protect the financial sector but not you personally. Sorry, it’s necessary for economic stability.
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Yeah let’s teach 4th graders that read at a 2nd grade level and struggle with multiplication economics, this seems rationale
Gee sounds like they’re the sort of people desperately in need of these lessons.
But hey lets teach 4th graders that read at a 2nd grade level and struggle with multiplication how to blow into a piece of plastic that’s going to end up in landfill in 12 months time.
At the same time we’re teaching them the value of coins, we should be teaching them simple budgeting. Only need addition and subtraction for that.
Now they don’t do either.
So you’ve tried art, and discovered it’s not for you. That’s still better than not having tried art at all in first place. You at least know where you stand in regards to that question now. …Or at least I hope so.
Not of course that there is such a thing as professional recorder players.
Maybe they tried. It’s not like you remember how to play this thing perfectly either.
I never learned an instrument (schools don’t teach that here unless its of your own volition) and its not that I’m financially illiterate, I just don’t trust anyone with my money. So, I guess knowing how to play a flute or some bullshit like that would be net positive.
Guess I’ll keep on whistling while my money slowly becomes worthless.
why the fuck are you talking about recorders, it’s a flute…? (searched for it just right now and found out that’s the name in English and it doesn’t make sense at all, but OK)
Anyway, they’re cheap, light, accessible, straightforward: no complex skill required to blow or get a correct tone. Flute got me into reading music. Terrible teachers unable to comprehend that a teenager needs something fun to play instead of boring music study books got me out of it.
that’s the name in English and it doesn’t make sense at all
Faut arrêter avec le “c’est pas comme en français du coup c’est mal”
je n’ai pas dit que c’était mal… mais que ça n’a pas de sens (étymologiquement parlant). C’est un mot étonnant pour une flute, on s’imagine un enregistreur.
J’ai toujours pensé la même chose. J’ai changé d’école française à anglaise en cinquième année pis tout à coup les flutes était des “recorders”? Même en anglais je les appellais des flutes jusqu’à là… Étrange
People will be complaining about percentages and fractions being taught instead of teaching how to do taxes or do a budget. Which leads to the conclusion that people are idiots and it doesn’t matter what you teach them. Other people are not idiots and they use the skills they learnt doing exercises and homework for good stuff but also sometimes for taxes and budgeting.
Which leads to the conclusion that people are idiots and it doesn’t matter what you teach them.
There’s a joke, once you get to college, that freshman year is about unlearning all the crap you were taught in high school.
This isn’t an issue of “stupid people” nearly so much as it is deliberately manipulated and propagandized people.
What they’re taught matters immensely. And one of the more insidious lessons of the Western education system is that schools exist to Stack Rank students, in order to segregate the Smarties from the Dummies and sort the deserving from the undeserving.
I was a bit rude here, true. And I don’t love all the testing and grading. A lot of teaching up to around seventh or eighth grade is putting material in front of kids until it clicks.
But anyway, still a bunch of people will whine that they didn’t learn this very unenjoyable, very specific thing in school while chastising schools for not being enjoyable enough. And chastising schools for teaching things that are the very basis of being able to figure out this very unenjoyable, very specific thing.
There is a cross section of smart people who only learned how to do school work and got straight As but failed to understand how that school work applies to real life.
I’ve been in classes with people who were in AP calculus have real difficulty in shop class trying to figure out how much square footage of whatever you needed. These are people who can figure out the area under a curve but fail to calculate a 20% tip.
