Nah, you don’t eat mashed taters with thin crisps (corn or otherwise). You could, but typically people don’t.
It’s a dipper if you use gravey and sausages
It’s a real banger.
Which is why mushy peas are British guacamole:
Damn, I need to do some spiced mushi peas sometime. They seem like with enough msg, black pepper and a bit of cheese they will make a delicious & healthy dip.
And you don’t boil avocados for guac
Edit: or add citrus to mash. I was going to say you can’t add dairy to guac, but guac and sour cream go very well together. Def no butter or milk though shudder
You know, some citrus to a baked tater would be awesome probably. Would need to be lime, I think.
<Spitefully squeezes kumquats onto a baked potato, maintaining direct eye contact>
Yeah actually, add some chili, you’ve basically got tajin, I can see that. Indian cuisine has awesome chili potatoes, I wouldn’t be surprised if there usually citrus in there.
More like guac is American hummus, considering chickpeas are one of the oldest domesticated plants we know of.
American??
Like the continent
Yeah fair
Guacamole isn’t eaten on its own or with some form of gravy. Mashed potatoes are. One can argue about open face sandwich vs. burrito and the addition of each to their respective cuisine but that’s a hard sell.
FWIW, Avocado toast doesn’t factor into the discussion any more then a baked potato would imo.
Mashed potato toast never really caught on anywhere.
Probably that’s a lot of carbs. Avocado has oils and fats and it’s a fruit.
Seeing that both vegetables were part of the Columbian exchange and therefore have no pre 1500 European roots it’s improper to call any potato preparation ‘Irish’.
So nothing can be described as Irish if it didn’t exist since the beginning of the earth on the land we could later call Ireland? Or where is the cutoff, the year 1400?
I’m just disputing the started fact that mashed potato is an Irish invention. There’s plenty of Irish things after that date, but that’s because people didn’t really think about ‘national’ things untill the late 19th century, take the Scottish tartan, fi (which was popularized by an English textile merchant btw).
With that logic any Mexican dish that contains cumin, cilantro, wheat or any dairy product including cheese is not real Mexican.
You say that like it’s a bad thing. Cuisine is particularly evolutionary.
The question ‘what is Mexican’ is particularly dark in this context as the conquistadors managed to wipe it so much of it’s people and culture.
You’re talking half a millennium ago…
I only agree with this line of reasoning because you would have to conclude that there is nothing quintessentially US American with everything coming either from Native American culture (which they reject) or immigrant culture.
You think cultures can’t change? Ireland was colonized by Britain. They forced them to grow potatoes. You don’t think that influenced Irish culture?
I do think cultures can change. I only don’t think foodstuffs become a national thing that way. Like I said as a response in this thread that certainly the original population and culture of the Aztecs was almost completely destroyed.
The idea that the portal became Irish because it was forced upon them by the English is a bit ironic, with a whiff of Stockholm syndrome, at least for me.
The appropriation of certain dishes as national is, in itself, a rather novel idea.
the Aztecs was almost completely destroyed.
How is this even relevant? I really don’t see any connection.
The idea that the portal became Irish because it was forced upon them by the English is a bit ironic, with a whiff of Stockholm syndrome, at least for me.
How so? The potato was force upon them, not mashed potatoes specifically. It would be totally understandable if the Irish would choose to get rid of everything that has anything to do with the British. This happens to a degree that the language Gaelic is revitalized. But it’s not up to me as a foreigner who never set foot on Ireland to expect that from them. Potato is an important food item all over Europe. “The idea that the portal became Irish because it was forced upon them by the English” is just an observation. You can’t dispute observations because they are “a bit ironic”. That’s not how history works.
The appropriation of certain dishes as national is, in itself, a rather novel idea.
How is this even an argument for your side? Nations are a social construct developed long after Columbus. By saying, anything that came after the 1400s can’t be part of a national identity, you are implying that nations exist since for ever.
I think that we do not disagree in most points.
My argument is in line with ‘the invention of tradition’ of Eric Hobsbawn and ‘imagined communities’ by Benedict Anderson in that most ‘national identity and tradition’ is an actively put forward construct that is really not as ancient as it purports.
The ownership of national dishes is what I argue against, the one in this thread that elicited my response was that of mashed potatoes being an Irish dish. If you read correctly it’s my interlocutor that made the point about the British repression forcing the potato on the Irish, and the argument of that being the National dish is even more silly to me.
So no disagreement in that matter, I would say.
The Aztec argument is about what is fundamentally Mexican and the tragedy of that civilization being wiped out. This is another example that traditionalism about culture is a rather silly position to hold in an argument.
But if you re read the thread I think you’ll find that
I think you misunderstood the meme and worded your first comment poorly.
The meme is saying that the equivalent of guacamole on the island of Ireland is mashed potatoes. It doesn’t say the Irish invented it, it doesn’t really focus on national identity. I mean on Ireland is the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Different nations and the meme just says Irish.
And instead of saying “there is no such thing as Irish”, you said “potatoes aren’t Irish enough because they came too late”, implying that there is such a thing as Irish culture but potatoes don’t qualify.
If you read correctly it’s my interlocutor that made the point about the British repression forcing the potato on the Irish, and the argument of that being the National dish is even more silly to me.
The interlocutor was me and all I’m saying is that the British Empire forced potatoes on the Irish and because of that, potatoes were so wide spread in Ireland that they quality as a national dish. How is that silly? I still don’t follow. Imagine having to grow potatoes and then trying out a variety of dishes. Silly.
Do people eat whole bowls of guacamole? Just like spoonfuls into your mouth?
As one of the 7 people who dislikes avocados - that seems horrifying.
I mean, if you consider tortilla chips to be edible guacamole spoons, then yes.
Guacamole is so much nicer than avocado. I probably eat more guac than mashed potatoes, usually on toast or in wraps though. As the Aztec gods intended.
Yes, we used to but we stopped during the great avocado famine that lasted from 1845 until 1953. About 1 million of us died.
Both avocados and quacamole are wildly overrated, I’m in San Diego and it’s every where.
I’d disappear avocados for the sake of potatoes.
Pizza is just an open-face sandwich. Like a chili melt. Same thing.
Meh, it’s different operations. The bread is already baked before you make the sandwich, pizza dough is raaaaaw.
Pizza purists are so funny. Like oh, your culture/city/country has a monopoly on putting random stuff on top of flat bread while it’s baking? Get real. Probably the first loaf of flatbread ever made, the person eating it was like “This would be better with some sauce and stuff on top while it’s baked.”
No pizza in either photo.
What do you mean? It’s dough with stuff on top.
Cats and dogs both have 4 legs and a tail. Are they the same thing?
They’re both mammals, yes.
What other things do you get confused about?
I could ask you the same question. Those are all technically pizzas. They are cooked dough with toppings on it, usually pizza sauce and cheese.
I don’t understand your confusion with the subject. Especially with comparing mammals to mammals. We are all incredibly similar with a few genetic differences. Just like a generic oven baked pizza or a tortilla pizza. They’re different, but also the same.
Pizza is a savoury cake.
Except that Potatoes are from the new world…
Tomatoes are too but are essential for many Italian dishes.
Very true, which makes you think what their food was before they hijacked the tomato.
I shudder just thinking about it.
Mushy peas are just British guacamole
The guac they deserve
It’s times like this that I worry about legalizing weed
I mean, im of the ‘poptart is basically a dessert calzone’ persuasion, so… yeah, sure why not.
There are differences, but basically yes.
No because avocado is a berry but potato is a tuber
There was a can of refried beans that proudly stated “Mexican mashed potatoes”
In the soup, salad, or sandwich alignment it would be soup and so would guacamole.
mashed avocados
Hard to say if it’s Irish. It could be. But:
First printed recipe: English author Hannah Glasse published the earliest known recipe for modern mashed potatoes in her 1747 book, The Art of Cookery Made Plain and Easy.
The recipe: She instructed cooks to boil and peel potatoes, then vigorously mash them with butter, salt, and milk.
Obviously Britain and Ireland are very close to one another, and someone being English doesn’t mean they don’t have Irish parentage or tutelage or friends. (Even in those days.)
Britain + Ireland are also called “The British isles,” so unfortunately for the Irish, even if we disambiguate to include the possibility of it being an Irish creation, it will still be called a “British” dish - which merely makes it look like it’s English again, to most people.
Potatoes in Ireland being a result of the Colombian exchange, this is one of those scenarios where you might be able to find an equivalent South American dish from before Ireland had potatoes(wild to think about, right?). The Inca grew potatoes with corn and eggplant for their farming, and it’s hard to imagine they ate them raw.
Some googling shows things that all appear to be fusion cuisine, but then any use of tomatoes or potatoes in Europe is fusion cuisine anyway :P
Edit: lmao this entire discussion is hashed out further down anyway, love it
It really doesn’t get much better than that. You can substitute milk for cream, and also force it through a sieve to get extra creamy mash, and add a bit of garlic, but well done mash is so simple and good
