A lot of committed vegans I know don’t sweat over it if mistakes are made on the “vegan” menu. They advise the staff politely, discarding what they can by hand and eating that they can’t. Wasting a meal makes a mockery of the point of being a vegan in many ways.
This teenager possibly gets it. Dad is intentionally overdoing it. There is a lot we can learn about how to do better politics here. Perfection is the enemy of the good.
Edit: Obviously allergies and diseases are a whole other thing. There is a reason getting it right is still very important, but if that’s the case nobody is messing around, especially not Dad.
Assuming you are willing/qualified to be a spokesperson for vegans:
When you encounter a menu item marked “Vegan” and discover that it isn’t, do you often speak to the manager to advise them to either remove the label or change the recipe?
I’m not vegan, but I often (not OFTEN but more frequently that my wife would prefer!) mention menu mistakes to the server/cashier in the hopes of helping a future guest.
Depends if you like the place and want to come back again. Or indeed if you have the time to do a good deed for others. Power to you good sir. I try to do the same.
I just don’t sweat the small stuff myself. I’m not a vegan or someone with allergies/sensitivities. Power to anyone who wants to be a strict vegan, but I’m just arguing unless you have dietary health reasons, when it comes to minor mistakes, a bit of flexibility just takes the tension away. You aren’t a bad person if you’re not a perfect vegan every meal and nobody (including yourself) should hold it against you if you just eat what’s served, whether a restaurant or friends house.
As another non vegan (AKA “carnist”) I agree FWIW.
My wife has a milk allergy. Depending on the ingredient, it can go pretty bad. If they put regular cream in something, she might need to use her EpiPen.
There’s no grumbling or clarification that works. The server will almost always write down no milk, no cheese. Half the time, the kitchen will forget, mix up, or ignore it; sometimes, the server grabs the wrong thing from the warmer.
I have a milk allergy as well. I know her pain.
My I recommend getting into Asian food and trying vegan restaurants? Way less potential for accidents.
Oh we’ve been dealing with it for a long time now :)
She does a lot of vegan places when she can, when she can’t she tries to pick stuff that’s unmistakable.
For the most part it’s mexican food and subs where she gets screwed, it can be hard to tell crema from mayo and cheese from mayo
Vegans aren’t a problem. Why would you care about what another person chooses not to eat?
Holier-than-thou vegans with pamphlet level arguments they force upon everybody are a problem.
Thankfully there aren’t too many of those around. Less than Jehova’s Witnesses, at least.
It does seem like America in particular has a cult of people hating on vegans, and I gotta ask; why do you think you’re better than them, if you’re expressing the same attitude as the worst kinds of vegans?
A lot of the vegan haters are uncomfortable with the moral issues with meat consumption and rather than seriously work through their feelings and try to figure out where they stand they just mock those who make them uncomfortable and conflate them to the most annoying of the group.
Very similar to people who haven’t worked out their religious trauma hating on even decent religious folks
moral issues with meat consumption
Why do you assume omnivores have any “moral issues with meat”? Your comment implies that vegan diet is somehow morally supreme, which is an utter rubbish. It is a dietary choice, the same as eating bread or not.
They seem to imply that in their experience omnivores do indeed have such moral qualms with eating meat. That does not mean that they think that is objectively the case or the case for everyone.
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I love this description of morality, but am curious about your opinion on the arbitrary decisions comment: do you feel that cultural tuning (often underpinned by cultural heritage and available food options) is an invalid way to select “acceptable” meats? No judgement, your comment just got me thinking
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And, there you go, as per the original comment above: “Holier-than-thou vegans with pamphlet level arguments they force upon everybody are a problem.”
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You are only “more moral” on the same level as Jehova Witnesses are somehow “more moral” than other religions.
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By quoting a pamphlet 🙄 And I don’t remember asking you anything.
That’s an interesting fallacy, I haven’t heard it before. I’ll have to note it down, “dismissal from imaginary pamphlet”
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Sounds like Dad’s heart is in the right place.
He’s either trying to help and overdoing it to embarrass her (a responsibility of us dads) or he’s overdoing it to support her publicly and loudly (which is good but annoying).
The one time it’s completely appropriate to tell people you are vegan is when they ask what you want to eat…
I swear, the whole “You know if someone is a vegan because they’ll be sure to tell you” thing is a total myth. Never seen it once in my life.
Sounds more like a teenager problem than a vegan problem
Person: “Vegans won’t shut up about being vegan”
Vegan: embarrassed sigh
Person: “They’re constantly telling me about it.”
Vegan: hiding behind something
Person: “I just don’t get it! They’ve got leather clothes. Where do they think wool comes from? Protein is nutrious! Are they too good for eggs?!”
Vegan: Slinking out the back door
That girl has to shut up about her veganism no one cares but she constantly brings it up. /s
Hahaha, my parents do this too. I don’t get what perverse satisfaction they get from it
I forgot that dragon roll is a real thing for a second, and thought that the joke was implying eating dragon is vegan.
Also, doesn’t a dragon roll usually have shrimp in it?
Every dragon roll I have ever had has had lobster and at least one other fish in it. No cheese 🤮
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In my experience it’s eel that’s the ‘dragon’. Although one place around here has fucking chicken in it.
The dragon rolls I’ve seen considered of shrimp tempura and avocado topped with unagi. The eel is the dragon, while the shrimp provides a tail.
Everyone is tired of hearing about vegans. Whatever you want to do in your own bedroom is your business. The end.
You’re now only allowed to eat in the bedroom. Don’t ask me, I don’t make up the rules.Spot on for my Dad. Don’t tell parents anything at all about personal things anymore. I’m not even vegan by any means. They just sneak lactose into everydamnthing as a sweetener and I prefer not taking earth-shattering shits every time I somehow miss it and being in pain when I wake up.
Is dad being an asshole? Or is dad being a dad and intentionally embarassing her?
His face and volume suggest asshole, like he’s actually causing a scene.
But I could see this as having been a much less loud/angry encounter, with dad basically giving his daughter shit by being as dramatic as she is at home. And this whole encounter is being told through the daughters perspective, who inflated the scene/comic.
My take is that he’s being well-meaning but overbearing, based on the “it’s really important to her” comment.
I remember hearing a dunk on vegans a while back that went “how do you know someone’s vegan? they’ll tell you.”
but in my experience it’s more like “how do you know someone hates vegans? they’ll tell you.”
Of course vegans will tell you, it’s a dietary restriction.
If you’re even halfway intimate with someone, you’ll likely share a meal or cook for them.
I’m not even vegan, but this particular phrase annoys me hahaha.
The dad is making a big show of how much he supports his daughter… Yet still orders chicken?
(I know not all vegans demand others share their diet, but it would be a nice gesture for him to do)
Would it be as nice gesture if she was to share chicken with him?
TBF, her diet was an ethical choice, and his is probably an unexamined cultural default.
No, her being vegan is a dietary choice. No more or less ethical than being an omnivore or carnivore.
If you don’t see ethical differences between killing a live creature and not doing so, your ethical compass is basically non-existent.
“If you don’t see ethical differences between our real faith and other fake religions, your ethical compass is basically non-existent!”
Another evangelical vegan 🙄
You’re on the same level of evangelism, it’s just you’re advocating both for status quo, which is ew, gross, but also for killing animals, which is a bit evil.
killing animals, which is a bit evil.
Says who?
status quo, which is ew, gross,
Evangelical vegans are certainly unpleasant and deeply disturbed individuals. Not sure if I would call them gross though.
